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IN a thread about Langston Walker, "Night Train" said this. I'm not saying that he's accurate or wrong, I'm just quoting what he said. I started this thread because the other was about Langston Walker but strayed into a whole other more important topic after reading it.
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His pay really isn't that extreme.
His base salary in 2007 is 1 Mil, with another 2 Mil in bonuses this year. He's due more in guaranteed $$ but much of his contract is backloaded in the last 2 years, meaning it's a 3 year deal at about half the published figure. He'll never see those larger bonuses and salaries in year 4.
Dockerys' contract is in reality 4 years. Prior to year 5, a large bonus in the spring is due,followed by 3 years of a very high base salary. He'll never see it.
These published figures are only impressive to the agents seeking clients. The players rarely, if ever, see the entire completion of these backloaded contracts.
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To that, I replied this.
IF his base pay is only $1 million this year with another $2 million in bonuses, then why is his Cash to Cap figure $7 million for 2007?
And I'm not accusing this, I am ASKING you this question. If Dockery is basically a four-year deal and you're saying he wont see the final few years of his contract, are you telling me we will count him $13.5 million against our Cash to Cap this year, and that he will STILL get cut after four years anyway?
If that's what your saying, then it makes the Cash to Cap even MORE DUMB and Discraceful than I thought before. That would mean we're HEAVILY penalizing our cash to salary cap upfront, and then we STILL will be cutting guys later on because they're contract is still backloaded?
How is the contract backloaded when all the guarentees and signing bonus goes into our salary cap UPFRONT?
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I ask this, because I am no contract expert and on occasion get confused about the Cash to Caponomics.
But isn't the Cash to Cap designed for us to pay ALL of the guarentees and bonuses UPFRONT? That puts a huge dent into our cap the first 1-2 years but in the later years of 5-6 year deals shouldnt the player be playing for just his BASE salary after getting everything else up front?
OR..
Is this a DOUBLE whammy/**** job to the fans of the Bills? Like say with Dockery, are we COUNTING all his guarentees/bonuses up front against our cap, but still PAYING Him his bonuses spread out over the cap, making what we have to pay him in year 5 the same as any other team in a regular salary cap?
To be more specific... Hypothetically in year five Dockery's cash to cap figure is only $3.5 million. But we still owe him another $5 million in bonuses, so we cut him becuase we'd actually have to pay him $8.5 million-- even though his entire bonus went up front in year one of cash to cap?
The latter BETTER not be true, because IF it is, then Ralph Wilson is even a bigger, cheaper ******* than I thought he was.
Someone please correct me and tell me that Dockery's "Cash to Cap" number this year is $13.5 million and that's he's ALSO getting PAID $13.5 million this year; not just his 2007 base salary + 1/7th (7 year deal) of his bonuses and guarentees this year.
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His pay really isn't that extreme.
His base salary in 2007 is 1 Mil, with another 2 Mil in bonuses this year. He's due more in guaranteed $$ but much of his contract is backloaded in the last 2 years, meaning it's a 3 year deal at about half the published figure. He'll never see those larger bonuses and salaries in year 4.
Dockerys' contract is in reality 4 years. Prior to year 5, a large bonus in the spring is due,followed by 3 years of a very high base salary. He'll never see it.
These published figures are only impressive to the agents seeking clients. The players rarely, if ever, see the entire completion of these backloaded contracts.
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To that, I replied this.
IF his base pay is only $1 million this year with another $2 million in bonuses, then why is his Cash to Cap figure $7 million for 2007?
And I'm not accusing this, I am ASKING you this question. If Dockery is basically a four-year deal and you're saying he wont see the final few years of his contract, are you telling me we will count him $13.5 million against our Cash to Cap this year, and that he will STILL get cut after four years anyway?
If that's what your saying, then it makes the Cash to Cap even MORE DUMB and Discraceful than I thought before. That would mean we're HEAVILY penalizing our cash to salary cap upfront, and then we STILL will be cutting guys later on because they're contract is still backloaded?
How is the contract backloaded when all the guarentees and signing bonus goes into our salary cap UPFRONT?
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I ask this, because I am no contract expert and on occasion get confused about the Cash to Caponomics.
But isn't the Cash to Cap designed for us to pay ALL of the guarentees and bonuses UPFRONT? That puts a huge dent into our cap the first 1-2 years but in the later years of 5-6 year deals shouldnt the player be playing for just his BASE salary after getting everything else up front?
OR..
Is this a DOUBLE whammy/**** job to the fans of the Bills? Like say with Dockery, are we COUNTING all his guarentees/bonuses up front against our cap, but still PAYING Him his bonuses spread out over the cap, making what we have to pay him in year 5 the same as any other team in a regular salary cap?
To be more specific... Hypothetically in year five Dockery's cash to cap figure is only $3.5 million. But we still owe him another $5 million in bonuses, so we cut him becuase we'd actually have to pay him $8.5 million-- even though his entire bonus went up front in year one of cash to cap?
The latter BETTER not be true, because IF it is, then Ralph Wilson is even a bigger, cheaper ******* than I thought he was.
Someone please correct me and tell me that Dockery's "Cash to Cap" number this year is $13.5 million and that's he's ALSO getting PAID $13.5 million this year; not just his 2007 base salary + 1/7th (7 year deal) of his bonuses and guarentees this year.
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