no Adams= no Peterson

[Ingtar33]

I've seen the talk around here about who the Bills should draft in the first round for the DL. Much of the talk has centered on Peterson. Well the probable non-signing of Adams makes Peterson the most unlikely of draft pick. The reason? He's too small to (this season) play DT every down in the NFL.

The Bills hopes now realistically ride on two players who could fill our void right out of college. Two guys with the size to play right now. The first would be Williams Joseph. He's basically a Pat Williams clone, and strangely has been dropping on a lot of draft boards... he really would be a steal if he made it all the way to us, but stranger things have happened. The second would be Rein Long, and while it wouldn't be such a reach for him to fall to us, we'd have to bank on his abilities to lean, as he would need a lot of coaching to dominate in the pros... a lot of physical skills (maybe the most in the DT draft), lacking technique.

[jchild178]

im a joseph fan all the way! but maybe we could trade up to get kennedy from penn st. for a 7h rounder...who knows?

[Tatonka]

thanks for the info.. i still dont feel good about this situation.. do you honestly beleive that either one of those guys is gonna come in and be dominant? i dont.. rookies take time.. and this is if we got lucky and joseph fell.. but look at how highly gerard warren was hyped a few years ago.. and he has been anything but dominant.. inconsistent is the best word for him.. look at all the DTs taken in the first last year.. henderson played decent, but not close to pro bowl level.. all the others either got hurt or faded into oblivion..

and rein long.. great.. that is what we need.. a guy that had a lot of sacks in college.. who has performed poorly or not performed at all during workouts.. and is know to have bad form, so will need serious coaching to be ready.. yeah.. i am sure he will be ready to roll in week one of the season..

/sigh...

[venis2k1]

I wouldnt be supprised if we traded up, DT has suddenly become very important.

[EDS]

I read that Long looked terrible at the combine - stiff, slow and lacked change of directions skills. That scares me a little. Does anyone else have different information on him? I know he dominated this year in college.

[venis2k1]

I think Tatonka needs a hug, he got up on the wrong side of the bed today.

[Novacane]

They may not come in and be dominant but Adams was not dominant last year either. If lost out on the Sam Adams of 2001 I am disapointed..............if we lost out on the Sam Adams of 2002 and the player I watched in the SB than I am glad we did not offer him anything more than 2 mill SB

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by Tatonka
thanks for the info.. i still dont feel good about this situation.. do you honestly beleive that either one of those guys is gonna come in and be dominant? i dont.. rookies take time.. and this is if we got lucky and joseph fell.. but look at how highly gerard warren was hyped a few years ago.. and he has been anything but dominant.. inconsistent is the best word for him.. look at all the DTs taken in the first last year.. henderson played decent, but not close to pro bowl level.. all the others either got hurt or faded into oblivion..

and rein long.. great.. that is what we need.. a guy that had a lot of sacks in college.. who has performed poorly or not performed at all during workouts.. and is know to have bad form, so will need serious coaching to be ready.. yeah.. i am sure he will be ready to roll in week one of the season..

/sigh...

There have been quite a few rookies in recent years that have been producing John Henderson, Albert Haynesworth, Richard Seymour, Chris Hovan, Julius Peppers. It is not a guarantee that will will draft a player that will have an immediate impact but this years class of DT's and DE's are one of the deepest in years. We will have player to fill that void next to Pat Williams one way or another. Go Bills!

[Tatonka]

henderson was solid and not great.. but he was the best of the group.. haynesworth was inconsistent as hell... seymour didnt really come around until his second year.. hovan either.. and pepers is a totally different position.. and also got suspended..

i am not saying that seymour or hovan arent studs.. but they were not studs immediately.. and that is what we need.. wins now.

[Tatonka]

Originally posted by venis2k1
I think Tatonka needs a hug, he got up on the wrong side of the bed today.

i went to bed last night after reading "v-coach reports we signed sam adam"

i was so damn happy.. even had trouble sleeping.. just excited..

i got up easy this morning.. excited to read the official announcement...

and i see a post by halbert titled "Sam i am.. NOT!"..

yeah.. that pretty much just ruined my day.. and i am in a piss poor mood now.. sorry :xplode: :xplode: :xplode: :xplode: :teeth:

[The Spaz]

Listen I am not going to be upset if we don't go to the Superbowl this year. I will say we better improve if we make the playoff and win a round or 2 then it was an improvement. WE need to have faith in these young guys because who knows if Pat Williams will stay with us when is contract is up. I am a little upset that we are probably not going to sign Adams but he doesn't want to be here and doesn't want to show his worth. If he think's he can't produce then he won't get his incentives. I am more than happy to grab a DT in the draft and watch him develop. These guys in this upcoming draft are solid all the way through to the 2nd round. Here are some players we could get in our #23 spot if we stay at that spot, Rien Long 6-4 290lbs, Kevin Williams 6-4 301lbs, Jonathon Sullivan 6-3 305lbs, Kenny Peterson 6-2 295lbs, Ty Warren 6-4 300lbs. There are others but like I said this draft is deep as hell in both DT and DE so we will get a big body no doubt. Go Bills!

[justasportsfan]

Tataonka, you are starting to sound like wys. Relax, even if the Adams thing didn't happen we are still considered to have had the best FA movements by any team. TD is not perfect but did you expect him to sign every player you want?

[Ingtar33]

I agree T,

If Joseph falls, we probably will be set at DT... he might not dominate, but he'd be an immediate improvement. Rein Long, he's a beast of a man (and he didn't run at the combine), and is expected to perform at an individual workout on March 28th (he didn't work out in Washington St.'s pro day).

[Kicker22705]

Originally posted by jchild178
im a joseph fan all the way! but maybe we could trade up to get kennedy from penn st. for a 7h rounder...who knows?

sorry to tell you but a 7th rounder will not get you up to where you need to go to get kennedy. Swapping 1st, and giving a 2nd and 3rd probably won't get us there either. but then again the bungles have the first pick.... you may be on to something.

[Gunzlingr]

Originally posted by justasportsfan
TD is not perfect but did you expect him to sign every player you want?

Hell yes!!