Ginn is in, Miami

[Mitchy moo]

MIAMI — First-round draft pick Ted Ginn Jr. agreed to terms Friday with the Miami Dolphins, his father said, meaning the team will have all 87 players under contract when the full squad begins training camp Saturday.

Ginn, a receiver and kick returner, reached the agreement after missing five practices for rookies.

All 10 Miami draft picks are now under contract, which is sure to please owner Wayne Huizenga. He was unhappy when the Dolphins’ top picks held out in 2005 and 2006, and warned in March that any rookie holdouts this year would be benched when they finally reported.

Ginn’s father, Ted Ginn Sr., said he was glad his son reached an agreement before the first full-squad practice.


http://fortmyersnewspress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070727/LIFESTYLES/307270017/1075

[LtFinFan66]

Damn, I was gonna post this a few hours ago but assumed it was already done. Interesting choice of links though Skooby. Could have used ESPN, NFL.com, Fox Sports....

[PECKERWOOD]

FLASHBACK

And with the 9th pick in the NFL draft the Miami Dolphins select: Ted Ginn Jr., WR, Ohio State! After hearing those Miami fans boo so hard and for like 10 minutes straight of non stop booing I must have got **** stains from laughing so damn hard! Still to this day it's funny as **** to think that you guys could have Brady Quinn right now, LOL!

[!Papacrunk!]

FLASHBACK

And with the 9th pick in the NFL draft the Miami Dolphins select: Ted Ginn Jr., WR, Ohio State! After hearing those Miami fans boo so hard and for like 10 minutes straight of non stop booing I must have got **** stains from laughing so damn hard! Still to this day it's funny as **** to think that you guys could have Brady Quinn right now, LOL!

the same Brady Quinn that is supposedly still holding out thinking he should be getting 1st round top 10 money? Or the same Quinn that while he's holding out, charging people a minimum of $75 for a signed picture, $225 for other mechandise? As far as his play, let's see what Quinn does in some NFL games before he's annointed with the halo. For the record, I never thought Quinn was god before the draft, I didn't talk crap about him, but I never thought he's Bruschiesque.

[PECKERWOOD]

the same Brady Quinn that is supposedly still holding out thinking he should be getting 1st round top 10 money? Or the same Quinn that while he's holding out, charging people a minimum of $75 for a signed picture, $225 for other mechandise? As far as his play, let's see what Quinn does in some NFL games before he's annointed with the halo. For the record, I never thought Quinn was god before the draft, I didn't talk crap about him, but I never thought he's Bruschiesque.

Brady Quinn is going to be the better QB between him and Russell, may my words. Plus, you act like 1st round QB's holding out is something that is uncommon, every year Qb's are the last to sign. Also take into consideration that JaMarcus Russell is asking for a 30 million guaranteed and 60 million dollar deal, Quinn is probably asking for something around half of that. Players are getting severely overpaid this offseason because of the cap increase so this holdout is honestly not a surprise to me.

[Lexwhat]

Brady Quinn is going to be the better QB between him and Russell, may my words. Plus, you act like 1st round QB's holding out is something that is uncommon, every year Qb's are the last to sign. Also take into consideration that JaMarcus Russell is asking for a 30 million guaranteed and 60 million dollar deal, Quinn is probably asking for something around half of that. Players are getting severely overpaid this offseason because of the cap increase so this holdout is honestly not a surprise to me.


Mark your words? Of course no one will.

Besdies, theres so many factors that will affect each player in the future. No one can predict what effect those factors will have.

The statements youre making hold no weight. It's one thing to have an opinion, and another thing to say what youre saying.

[PECKERWOOD]

Mark your words? Of course no one will.

Besdies, theres so many factors that will affect each player in the future. No one can predict what effect those factors will have.

The statements youre making hold no weight. It's one thing to have an opinion, and another thing to say what youre saying.


It's one thing to have an opinion, and another thing to say what youre saying

That's a bunch of :bs: What I said is my opinion and what I believe to be true, hello this is a message board you're suppose to post your opinion! It's not like I'm some News Reporter and I'm supposed to be strict and unbiased. I think that it's your opinion that you don't like my opinion but you can't find any reasonable evidence or facts to discount my opinion.

I have an opinion supported by facts and contract talks, what evidence do you have that fortifies your opinion/post? Regardless if anybody wants to mark my words or not I'm practically tempting if not BEGGING you or any other person to do so, by all means if you think I'm wrong then quote me, leave it in your signature and eat your crow after the seasons end.

[Lexwhat]

That's a bunch of :bs: What I said is my opinion and what I believe to be true, hello this is a message board you're suppose to post your opinion! It's not like I'm some News Reporter and I'm supposed to be strict and unbiased. I think that it's your opinion that you don't like my opinion but you can't find any reasonable evidence or facts to discount my opinion.

I have an opinion supported by facts and contract talks, what evidence do you have that fortifies your opinion/post? Regardless if anybody wants to mark my words or not I'm practically tempting if not BEGGING you or any other person to do so, by all means if you think I'm wrong then quote me, leave it in your signature and eat your crow after the seasons end.


Hahaha, what a joke.

We could go in circles arguing over whether or not what you said was an "opinion." The way you worded it, it's like you own the Crystal Ball of the NFL. As far as I go, I said that there's so many factors that determine how a player will do, and that it's impossible to know exactly how those factors will affect each player (obviously).

As for supporting your "opinion," what FACTS do you have? You have stated absolutely NO FACTS in this thread, except that Miami fans booed the Ginn selection (big deal).

As far as contract talks go, you said Quinn is "probally asking for half that." (I see NO facts there). Unless youre his agent, you have no idea if hes asking for $30 million, $25 million, or $15 million in bonuses. He may very well be ASKING for a contract that is just below what Russell might get. Again I ask, what FACTS do you have?

Lastly, you said Quinn will have a better career. And then you tell me to post it as my sig and eat crow at SEASON'S END??? WTF? IMO, it will take years to determine the level of success for these 2 players. Brady Quinn may not even start when the season begins!

You can't even be serious.

[LtFinFan66]

FLASHBACK

And with the 9th pick in the NFL draft the Miami Dolphins select: Ted Ginn Jr., WR, Ohio State! After hearing those Miami fans boo so hard and for like 10 minutes straight of non stop booing I must have got **** stains from laughing so damn hard! Still to this day it's funny as **** to think that you guys could have Brady Quinn right now, LOL!I was never impressed with Quinn. I thought he was overrated. I also had no problem with the Ginn pick being a Ohio State fan

[BlackMetalNinja]

Direct quote from my friend yesterday, who is unfortunately a Fin Fan...

"Alright, we finally signed Ginn today, I was really worried about not having a guy to return kicks!"

[LtFinFan66]

Your friend, with all due respect, is an idiot

[BlackMetalNinja]

Your friend, with all due respect, is an idiot

What do you expect, he's friends with me after all!

[LtFinFan66]

Good point

[!Papacrunk!]

touchdowns are touchdowns. whether they come from Ginn catching them as a receiver or from returning kicks, touchdowns are touchdowns . it's not like the TDs have different values per each

[PECKERWOOD]

Hahaha, what a joke.

We could go in circles arguing over whether or not what you said was an "opinion." The way you worded it, it's like you own the Crystal Ball of the NFL. As far as I go, I said that there's so many factors that determine how a player will do, and that it's impossible to know exactly how those factors will affect each player (obviously).

As for supporting your "opinion," what FACTS do you have? You have stated absolutely NO FACTS in this thread, except that Miami fans booed the Ginn selection (big deal).

As far as contract talks go, you said Quinn is "probally asking for half that." (I see NO facts there). Unless youre his agent, you have no idea if hes asking for $30 million, $25 million, or $15 million in bonuses. He may very well be ASKING for a contract that is just below what Russell might get. Again I ask, what FACTS do you have?

Lastly, you said Quinn will have a better career. And then you tell me to post it as my sig and eat crow at SEASON'S END??? WTF? IMO, it will take years to determine the level of success for these 2 players. Brady Quinn may not even start when the season begins!

You can't even be serious.


We could go in circles arguing over whether or not what you said was an "opinion." The way you worded it, it's like you own the Crystal Ball of the NFL.

Can't help it that I'm a confident man.


As far as I go, I said that there's so many factors that determine how a player will do, and that it's impossible to know exactly how those factors will affect each player (obviously).

Oh yeah? In a previous thread you said that if McCargo was not injured that we would have made the playoffs. I just called you on your own :bs: hypocrite.


As far as contract talks go, you said Quinn is "probally asking for half that." (I see NO facts there). Unless youre his agent, you have no idea if hes asking for $30 million, $25 million, or $15 million in bonuses. He may very well be ASKING for a contract that is just below what Russell might get. Again I ask, what FACTS do you have?

The facts are Russell is asking for 30 in guaranteed money and a 60 million dollar deal! Brady Quinn is most likely not going to sign until Russell decides to sign! Here is another fact, QB's usually take the longest to sign each year! Look it up jerkowitz.



Lastly, you said Quinn will have a better career. And then you tell me to post it as my sig and eat crow at SEASON'S END??? WTF? IMO, it will take years to determine the level of success for these 2 players. Brady Quinn may not even start when the season begins!


This is an OPINION and if you don't like it then get lost. You're bashing my posts for my PERSONAL opinions and you criticize my all knowing tone when you have the same condescending behavior and posts that I do. Atleast I'm not a big enough hypocrite however to call somebody out on something when I am doing the same damn thing. That's it for class today children.

[cocamide]

What do you expect, he's friends with me after all!

And a Dolphin's fan:tomato:

[LtFinFan66]

And a Dolphin's fan:tomato::wtf:

[Lexwhat]

Oh yeah? In a previous thread you said that if McCargo was not injured that we would have made the playoffs. I just called you on your own :bs: hypocrite.

No, that was NOT me. I did not say that if McCargo was not injured that we would have made the playoffs. Nice try though (I'd like to see your response to this).

The facts are Russell is asking for 30 in guaranteed money and a 60 million dollar deal! Brady Quinn is most likely not going to sign until Russell decides to sign! Here is another fact, QB's usually take the longest to sign each year! Look it up jerkowitz.

Jerkowitz? Haha.

Obviously QBs 'usually' take the longest to sign. I never denied that.

I never denied that Russell was asking for that much. I DID say that Quinn may be asking for a lot more than what you think. Bottom line, no one knows what he is asking for, not even you. There were ramblings that his agent was asking for Top-10 money.

This is an OPINION and if you don't like it then get lost. You're bashing my posts for my PERSONAL opinions and you criticize my all knowing tone when you have the same condescending behavior and posts that I do. Atleast I'm not a big enough hypocrite however to call somebody out on something when I am doing the same damn thing. That's it for class today children.

Again, eat crow at the end of this year to judge whether Quinn will be a better QB than Russell? You didnt even respond to that.

Lastly, I did not say that thing about McCargo and the playoffs. Why are you making things up to help support your opinion?

[Lexwhat]

Can't help it that I'm a confident man.


Don't ignore my previous post about the McCargo thing then...

[LtFinFan66]

I find it rather funny that a thread about a Fin player signing has turned into a battle between Bills fans over an entirely different subject:idunno:

[BlackMetalNinja]

I find it rather funny that a thread about a Fin player signing has turned into a battle between Bills fans over an entirely different subject:idunno:

Bills fans wouldn't be Bills fans if they couldn't find something trivial to argue and ***** about... at least many of them anyways.

[Mitchy moo]

Bills fans wouldn't be Bills fans if they couldn't find something trivial to argue and ***** about... at least many of them anyways.

You talking to me?? J/K.

[PECKERWOOD]

:violin: :violin:

:monkeyp:

Obviously QBs 'usually' take the longest to sign. I never denied that.


Why are you whining about Brady Quinn holding out then *****? :lolabove:
:monkeyp:

I never denied that Russell was asking for that much. I DID say that Quinn may be asking for a lot more than what you think. Bottom line, no one knows what he is asking for, not even you. There were ramblings that his agent was asking for Top-10 money.

You denied that my argument had FACTS behind it and now you are agreeing and saying that you never denied, BLAH BLAH BLAH. Another fact, you just back peddled and made a complete 180º turn! :lmao:
:monkeyp:

Again, eat crow at the end of this year to judge whether Quinn will be a better QB than Russell? You didnt even respond to that.

Quinn will be a better QB than Russell. Do you expect me to start every opinion I have with: "WARNING! THIS IS AN OPINION NOT A FACT. Brady Quinn will be better than JaMarcus Russell this season!" That is for you to decide. If you cannot seperate FACT from OPINION then you are going to have a LOOOONG day while reading posts on this forum and you might want to consider repeating 3rd grade english.

:monkeyp: :liar:

Lastly, I did not say that thing about McCargo and the playoffs. Why are you making things up to help support your opinion?

Yes you did and I honestly don't care to search and quote you because I'm sure that you edited your post already.

[Goobylal]

Yes you did and I honestly don't care to search and quote you because I'm sure that you edited your post already.
I was the one who said it. And I still stand by it. Just a slightly better effort at DT would have helped the Bills against the Lions and Titans at least, and that would have meant playoffs.

[PECKERWOOD]

I was the one who said it. And I still stand by it. Just a slightly better effort at DT would have helped the Bills against the Lions and Titans at least, and that would have meant playoffs.

Ah ok, I stand corrected on that comment. All apologies to LexWhat on my offbase McCargo comment, the rest still stands however!

[Spiderweb]

the same Brady Quinn that is supposedly still holding out thinking he should be getting 1st round top 10 money? Or the same Quinn that while he's holding out, charging people a minimum of $75 for a signed picture, $225 for other mechandise? As far as his play, let's see what Quinn does in some NFL games before he's annointed with the halo. For the record, I never thought Quinn was god before the draft, I didn't talk crap about him, but I never thought he's Bruschiesque.

Many around here weren't sold on Quinn either, but Ted Ginn at # 9? No matter how it turns out, this seems a far greater reach than Whitner of Bills last year. ginn is a return man primarily, and after watching his play OSU, he's a project at WR.

But he has speed.....

[Static]

:violin: :violin:

:monkeyp:


Why are you whining about Brady Quinn holding out then *****? :lolabove:
:monkeyp:


You denied that my argument had FACTS behind it and now you are agreeing and saying that you never denied, BLAH BLAH BLAH. Another fact, you just back peddled and made a complete 180º turn! :lmao:
:monkeyp:


Quinn will be a better QB than Russell. Do you expect me to start every opinion I have with: "WARNING! THIS IS AN OPINION NOT A FACT. Brady Quinn will be better than JaMarcus Russell this season!" That is for you to decide. If you cannot seperate FACT from OPINION then you are going to have a LOOOONG day while reading posts on this forum and you might want to consider repeating 3rd grade english.

:monkeyp: :liar:


Yes you did and I honestly don't care to search and quote you because I'm sure that you edited your post already.



It is not about Brady holding out...it is about brady holding out cause he wants top ten money when he was pick 22.

[Marino13Phins]

Brady Quinn is going to be the better QB between him and Russell, may my words. Plus, you act like 1st round QB's holding out is something that is uncommon, every year Qb's are the last to sign. Also take into consideration that JaMarcus Russell is asking for a 30 million guaranteed and 60 million dollar deal, Quinn is probably asking for something around half of that. Players are getting severely overpaid this offseason because of the cap increase so this holdout is honestly not a surprise to me.'


You have no idea what you are talking about, awful....awful.

[finfan34]

Brady Quinn is going to be the better QB between him and Russell, may my words. Plus, you act like 1st round QB's holding out is something that is uncommon, every year Qb's are the last to sign. Also take into consideration that JaMarcus Russell is asking for a 30 million guaranteed and 60 million dollar deal, Quinn is probably asking for something around half of that. Players are getting severely overpaid this offseason because of the cap increase so this holdout is honestly not a surprise to me.

thats so funny.....where were you before the draft when every bills fan was busting on brady quinn? its funny how now that the fins didnt pick, all of a sudden, hes the second coming

[PECKERWOOD]

thats so funny.....where were you before the draft when every bills fan was busting on brady quinn? its funny how now that the fins didnt pick, all of a sudden, hes the second coming

Look in my signature, see the Notre Dame logo? I've always been a fan of Brady Quinn and to think that Miami passed on a franchise QB for a return specialist is hilarious! Talk about flip flopping, why were Miami fans booing so hard when Ginn was selected then?

[duhbilz]

Look in my signature, see the Notre Dame logo? I've always been a fan of Brady Quinn and to think that Miami passed on a franchise QB for a return specialist is hilarious! Talk about flip flopping, why were Miami fans booing so hard when Ginn was selected then?
Why were Eagle fans booing so hard when Donavan McNabb was selected over Ricky Williams, think they're sorry now? Everyone thought Ryan Leaf was gonna be a superstar. How'd that turn out. Fact is preception means nothing in the NFL production means everything. Till they take the field and play we have no idea who will do what. As for Quinn, he couldn't have gone to a worse situation to be a successful QB in the NFL. He's also trying real hard to get off on the wrong foot.

[PECKERWOOD]

Why were Eagle fans booing so hard when Donavan McNabb was selected over Ricky Williams, think they're sorry now? Everyone thought Ryan Leaf was gonna be a superstar. How'd that turn out. Fact is preception means nothing in the NFL production means everything. Till they take the field and play we have no idea who will do what. As for Quinn, he couldn't have gone to a worse situation to be a successful QB in the NFL. He's also trying real hard to get off on the wrong foot.

Really? Quinn is in a bad situation? Have you taken a look at their OL lately and how much money they have put into it? Steinbach is locked up and Bentley is now healthy and cleared to play and don't forget about Schaffer and Joe Thomas they are all good OL. Oh you also forgot about Kellen Winslow Jr. and a bright and upcoming WR in Braylon Edwards. Furthermore, don't forget about the consistent and reliable Joe Jurevicius. Their running attack has been upgraded by adding a former 2,000 yard rusher as well by adding Jamaal Lewis. So how exactly is Brady Quinn in a bad situation again??

Perception is everything. Just because you mentioned previous draft busts it doesn't mean that Brady Quinn will become one. Brady Quinn is definitely starting off with a better team than Losman had.

[duhbilz]

Really? Quinn is in a bad situation? Have you taken a look at their OL lately and how much money they have put into it? Steinbach is locked up and Bentley is now healthy and cleared to play and don't forget about Schaffer and Joe Thomas they are all good OL. Oh you also forgot about Kellen Winslow Jr. and a bright and upcoming WR in Braylon Edwards. Furthermore, don't forget about the consistent and reliable Joe Jurevicius. Their running attack has been upgraded by adding a former 2,000 yard rusher as well by adding Jamaal Lewis. So how exactly is Brady Quinn in a bad situation again??

Perception is everything. Just because you mentioned previous draft busts it doesn't mean that Brady Quinn will become one. Brady Quinn is definitely starting off with a better team than Losman had.
It's not just the Oline, it's the OC, it's the QB coach, it's the talent at the skill positions, it's all that. Just because you're a ND fan doesn't mean Quinn will be a success in the NFL. Like I said why not just let them play first before you proclaim success for one and failure for the other.

BTW, I could name more first round QB busts then you can name success, in the last 20 years. ND hasn't produced a successful NFL QB in 26 years. His attitude is already been an issue. If he really wants to be a success and be the QB of the Browns, he needs to be in camp now, not 2 weeks from now. His priority is his money, not being a successful NFL QB. The odds are stacked against Quinn from the word go.

[Seventeen&0]

Really? Quinn is in a bad situation? Have you taken a look at their OL lately and how much money they have put into it? Steinbach is locked up and Bentley is now healthy and cleared to play and don't forget about Schaffer and Joe Thomas they are all good OL. Oh you also forgot about Kellen Winslow Jr. and a bright and upcoming WR in Braylon Edwards. Furthermore, don't forget about the consistent and reliable Joe Jurevicius. Their running attack has been upgraded by adding a former 2,000 yard rusher as well by adding Jamaal Lewis. So how exactly is Brady Quinn in a bad situation again??

Perception is everything. Just because you mentioned previous draft busts it doesn't mean that Brady Quinn will become one. Brady Quinn is definitely starting off with a better team than Losman had.


I think Brady Quinn does have a better supporting cast than Russell does at the moment. But they need to get into camp! It's not doing either one any good holding out.

As far as Quinn to the Fins vs. Ginn? I think you have to look at the entire draft, rather than just one pick. At this point, I'd take Ginn/Beck over Quinn/next best receiver. Also, personel wise, the Fins needed speed and they got that with Ginn & Booker.

I have nothing against Quinn, I think he's going to be a good NFL QB. But I also like Ted Ginn and John Beck. So far, it appears to be the better pick based on the fact that they are both in camp, where Quinn is not.

[finfan34]

Look in my signature, see the Notre Dame logo? I've always been a fan of Brady Quinn and to think that Miami passed on a franchise QB for a return specialist is hilarious! Talk about flip flopping, why were Miami fans booing so hard when Ginn was selected then?


dont see the logo, and yes i was puzzeled when miami first selected ginn over quinn, but realizing that brady quinns QB coach is in miami, he must know something we dont, also i believe that kevin kolb and john beck were as good as quin, and if ted ginn can score 5 touchdowns a year as a return specialist, and 2 catching the ball, i dont care what position he plays

[Seventeen&0]

Look in my signature, see the Notre Dame logo? I've always been a fan of Brady Quinn and to think that Miami passed on a franchise QB for a return specialist is hilarious! Talk about flip flopping, why were Miami fans booing so hard when Ginn was selected then?


Most fans were booing because we were all expecting to pick Quinn. No doubt, But, we did not know the draft plan that Cam and Mueller had. After the draft, it all made sense and people have excepted the fact that they felt better about John Beck than they did about Brady Quinn. After all, our staff has spent more time with Quinn than any staff in the NFL. That right there says alot about how they felt about Quinn.

[PECKERWOOD]

It's not just the Oline, it's the OC, it's the QB coach, it's the talent at the skill positions, it's all that. Just because you're a ND fan doesn't mean Quinn will be a success in the NFL. Like I said why not just let them play first before you proclaim success for one and failure for the other.

BTW, I could name more first round QB busts then you can name success, in the last 20 years. ND hasn't produced a successful NFL QB in 26 years. His attitude is already been an issue. If he really wants to be a success and be the QB of the Browns, he needs to be in camp now, not 2 weeks from now. His priority is his money, not being a successful NFL QB. The odds are stacked against Quinn from the word go.



Just because you're a ND fan doesn't mean Quinn will be a success in the NFL. Like I said why not just let them play first before you proclaim success for one and failure for the other.

I didn't say Quinn would be successful because I'm a Notre Dame fan. I'm just pointing out that I watched Brady Quinn play every single game his final season. Furthermore, the reason for even posting that I was a ND fan was in response to your statement below. You tried to play it like I flip flopped or something when in fact I've always liked Quinn.


where were you before the draft when every bills fan was busting on brady quinn? its funny how now that the fins didnt pick, all of a sudden, hes the second coming



BTW, I could name more first round QB busts then you can name success, in the last 20 years. ND hasn't produced a successful NFL QB in 26 years. His attitude is already been an issue. If he really wants to be a success and be the QB of the Browns, he needs to be in camp now, not 2 weeks from now. His priority is his money, not being a successful NFL QB. The odds are stacked against Quinn from the word go.

Notre Dame hasn't produced a successful NFL QB in 26 years? Looks like their due for one then. I don't understand how you can say he has an attitude issue, that's balogna.

:monkeyp: :monkeyp: :monkeyp: :monkeyp: :monkeyp:


If he really wants to be a success and be the QB of the Browns, he needs to be in camp now, not 2 weeks from now. His priority is his money, not being a successful NFL QB. The odds are stacked against Quinn from the word go.


That's such bull****! Holy cow, I have to plug my nose after reading this post. You just stunk up this thread worst than Rosie O'Donnell stinks up the John. Just because the man is focusing on his contract, money and his livliehood, this means that he isn't concentrated on being a success in the NFL? Are you kidding me? It's easy to say that when you don't have money on the line. The man needs to make his bread and get a fair shake, he has the right to it. It's not like he already committed to a contract and he is backing out of it or something. Let me point something out to you, the NFL is a business. If you expect 'x' player to sign a contract immediately 'for the team' you are living in a freaking dream land my friend. It's hilarious. Let me guess, since Russell hasn't signed yet either, he isn't concentrating on being a success in the NFL either? Does this mean Russell has "attitude problems" as well?

[Stewie]

Dude, really, I can buy the argument that he should get a fair contract based on what those around him are getting.. but don't try the "he's looking out for his livelihood" ... the guy is going to be a millionaire at 22... that's an insult to 99.999% of people who actually have to work for their livelihood

[duhbilz]

I didn't say Quinn would be successful because I'm a Notre Dame fan. I'm just pointing out that I watched Brady Quinn play every single game his final season. Furthermore, the reason for even posting that I was a ND fan was in response to your statement below. You tried to play it like I flip flopped or something when in fact I've always liked Quinn.


where were you before the draft when every bills fan was busting on brady quinn? its funny how now that the fins didnt pick, all of a sudden, hes the second coming I didn't write that.

As for the rest of your argument it's really getting silly. I disagree about Quinn, I think he needs a better situation to succeed, he needs to be in camp and he needs to focus on his job. Not the money he's thinks he's worth. I would rather have a QB who cared about playing, not how much money he's gonna make. Brady Quinn is a train wreck wating to happen.

[BidsJr]

I can sum it up as follows.

Quinn=Bust
Ginn=Bust




Dolphins in 5 years will wish they had Anthony Gonzalez.

[PECKERWOOD]

Dude, really, I can buy the argument that he should get a fair contract based on what those around him are getting.. but don't try the "he's looking out for his livelihood" ... the guy is going to be a millionaire at 22... that's an insult to 99.999% of people who actually have to work for their livelihood

I'm 20 years old, trust me I've worked a TON of ****ty jobs. I have bills to pay and I have to pay my dues as well. Some people deserve millions of dollars, that's what the whole sports world is - millions of dollars. For Gods sake the minimum salary for a veteran is what $820,000 ? Isn't that better than you or I make? So you probably don't think a Payton Manning or an elite player like that should get paid the big bucks like 10-20 million in a year easily?? Why not? They deserve it. Do you know how much revenue they create for the NFL? How many jerseys they sell and how many seats they fill. Look at Michael Vick, he is getting paid more money than Bill Gates, but wanna know what? He freaking deserves it! He isn't the best football player but he creates revenue. So what do you think the #22 overall pick will do? DING DING DING! Create revenue. Where do you think the NFL's money comes from? These guys deserve every single penny, they are perfect examples of people who capitilize on their opportunities. For some people this would be the ultimate dream, even though you or I can't live it doesn't mean that the lucky bastard whose dreams have come true shouldn't be able to live it.

[duhbilz]

I'm 20 years old, trust me I've worked a TON of ****ty jobs. I have bills to pay and I have to pay my dues as well. Some people deserve millions of dollars, that's what the whole sports world is - millions of dollars. For Gods sake the minimum salary for a veteran is what $820,000 ? Isn't that better than you or I make? So you probably don't think a Payton Manning or an elite player like that should get paid the big bucks like 10-20 million in a year easily?? Why not? They deserve it. Do you know how much revenue they create for the NFL? How many jerseys they sell and how many seats they fill. Look at Michael Vick, he is getting paid more money than Bill Gates, but wanna know what? He freaking deserves it! He isn't the best football player but he creates revenue. So what do you think the #22 overall pick will do? DING DING DING! Create revenue. Where do you think the NFL's money comes from? These guys deserve every single penny, they are perfect examples of people who capitilize on their opportunities. For some people this would be the ultimate dream, even though you or I can't live it doesn't mean that the lucky bastard whose dreams have come true shouldn't be able to live it.

It would seem you and Brady are in your own world....

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/07/31/quinn/index.html