Forked Thread: Bucky Gleason whining again

[Earthquake Enyart]

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What Bucky is saying that if they would have gotten Briere and Drury at bargain prices earlier like they could have instead of sitting around and allowing the rest of the league to pass the team around like a drunk prom date we would have had our first and second line centers and they could have walked away from Roy if his demands or abitrations decision would have been to their disliking because he would have been a third line center at best.

I'm sick of hearing this.

Drury obviously wanted to go as he wouldn't even listen to Buffalo's counteroffer to the Rangers. Anybody who thinks that he would sign for less last year for a hometown discount is nuts.

I'm sure the Sabres struggled with giving Briere $5 in arbitration last year and didn't want to sign him to a long term contract at $5. He's sure as hell not worth $7.

Roy signed for an average of $4. BFD. He's gotten better every year and will now see more PP time. He's gonna have a big year.

Stafford will step up. Mair and Gaustad will step up. MacArthur and Paille will step up. And if Timmy can stay healthy, that's a bonus. I just don't see where the big loss is. The Sabres always have had young guys ready to step in, and this year wuill be no different.

[Philagape]

Drury obviously wanted to go as he wouldn't even listen to Buffalo's counteroffer to the Rangers. Anybody who thinks that he would sign for less last year for a hometown discount is nuts.

We don't think it, we know it. A deal was agreed to. Four years, $21.5 million.

[Nighthawk]

You're sick of hearing what? The truth? Come on...yeah, he is beating a dead horse, but that doesn't take away from the fact that what he has stated is fact. On the other hand, I think it's time to move on from the Drury & Briere thing. My attention is now on how they go about upgrading this team via trade. If they don't do that, then I will be pretty dissappointed because this team just doesn't have enough to be a true contender.

[chernobylwraiths]

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I'm sick of hearing this.

Drury obviously wanted to go as he wouldn't even listen to Buffalo's counteroffer to the Rangers. Anybody who thinks that he would sign for less last year for a hometown discount is nuts.

I think Phil already took care of this statement.

I'm sure the Sabres struggled with giving Briere $5 in arbitration last year and didn't want to sign him to a long term contract at $5. He's sure as hell not worth $7.

I agree with this to the point that nobody is really worth all that money, but it is closer to market value than many others.

Roy signed for an average of $4. BFD. He's gotten better every year and will now see more PP time. He's gonna have a big year.

He's only been here for about 2 1/2 years. $4 million is no big deal? I disagree.

Stafford will step up. Mair and Gaustad will step up. MacArthur and Paille will step up. And if Timmy can stay healthy, that's a bonus. I just don't see where the big loss is. The Sabres always have had young guys ready to step in, and this year wuill be no different.

As for the last statement, that is a LOT of stepping up. Especially for guys who aren't really scorers or guys who are going to take up a lot of ice time.

[mchurchfie]

Still feeling a little queasy from his LSD trip from the night before EE takes another big huff from his garbage bag full of gas and feeling "right as rain" steps up to the podium and presents us with this little gem......


Forked from: Bucky Gleason whining again (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showpost.php?postid=2051202)



I'm sick of hearing this.

Roy signed for an average of $4. BFD. He's gotten better every year and will now see more PP time. He's gonna have a big year.

I just don't see where the big loss is.
:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:

[Philagape]

Roy got a lot worse in the playoffs. One of the worst forwards out there.

[Earthquake Enyart]

Call me all the names you want. I'm not worried.

[mchurchfie]

Call me all the names you want. I'm not worried.
:nana:I didn't call you any names.:earpoke::D:

[Earthquake Enyart]

Still feeling a little queasy from his LSD trip from the night before EE takes another big huff from his garbage bag full of gas and feeling "right as rain" steps up to the podium and presents us with this little gem......


:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:
:cynic:

[mchurchfie]

:lolpoint:
:cynic::snicker::D::buddies:

[Earthquake Enyart]

You guys need to snap out of it. We have a lot of good young players. We will still be fun to watch. And we'll have cap room to make a big addition at the trade deadline as well.

[mchurchfie]

We're going to be a very good team, we just took another step farther away from the Cup this year is all.

[SabreEleven]

You guys need to snap out of it. We have a lot of good young players. We will still be fun to watch. And we'll have cap room to make a big addition at the trade deadline as well.

The teams with Ray, Barnaby, and May were fun to watch too...I'm WAYYYYYYYY past wanting "fun to "watch"...It's Stanley Cup or bust time.

[mchurchfie]

I'm WAYYYYYYYY past wanting "fun to "watch"...It's Stanley Cup or bust time.
:hi5:

[THATHURMANATOR]

The teams with Ray, Barnaby, and May were fun to watch too...I'm WAYYYYYYYY past wanting "fun to "watch"...It's Stanley Cup or bust time.
Comparing this team to the ones with Barnaby, Ray and May is laughable... :shakeno:

[Earthquake Enyart]

Comparing this team to the ones with Barnaby, Ray and May is laughable... :shakeno:
The Sabrezone sucks balls. :::

I'm optimistic. I think the young guys will come through.

[THATHURMANATOR]

The Sabrezone sucks balls. :::

I'm optimistic. I think the young guys will come through.
:hi5:

[SabreEleven]

Comparing this team to the ones with Barnaby, Ray and May is laughable... :shakeno:
Are they not both fun to watch and neither one has won a Stanley Cup? That is all I said. You guys just read the part of the post you what and then shut off your brain if it was ever on.

[Philagape]

Cup or failure.

[mchurchfie]

The Sabrezone sucks balls. :::


:hi5:




I'm optimistic. I think the young guys will come through.
:whistling

:hi5:
:whistling

[Bufftp]

I agree with EE.
Can't wait for the season to start.

[mchurchfie]

I agree with EE.

:jawdrop:

[BillsSabresB.C.T. Fan]

We don't think it, we know it. A deal was agreed to. Four years, $21.5 million.

there is no proof, The Sabres didn't come out and say it so it's not true. Bucky is just saying that because he's :mad: at the Sabres What there is proof of is this:
Drury turned down a five-year, $30 million offer from the Sabres and eventually accepted a five-year, $35.25 million deal from the Rangers. http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/sabresnhl/story/131634.html

The Sabres were going to match the offer but they never got a :phone: call back from Drury's camp of what the Rangers offered him. Drury wanted to go to the Rangers, plain and simple he grew up idolizing them. It was the team that he rooted for when he was a kid, just like Kaleta grew up idolizing the Sabres

[Philagape]

The Sabres didn't come out and say it so it's not true.

Are you Larry Quinn?








Seriously, are you Larry Quinn?

[THATHURMANATOR]

Are you Larry Quinn?








Seriously, are you Larry Quinn?
Are you?






Seriously are you?

[Philagape]

never got a :phone: call back

That's what the Sabres did to Drury last year. And they didn't deny it. But if you believe only what they say, well that goes beyond homerism and there's no hope for you.

[Philagape]

Are you?






Seriously are you?

You said you were done here.

[Earthquake Enyart]

I agree with EE.
Can't wait for the season to start.
I'm really not that bad a guy. You should gimme a break.

[RockStar36]

I'm really not that bad a guy. You should gimme a break.

That's a two way street sir!

[mchurchfie]

I'm really not that bad a guy. You should gimme a break.
I'll vouche for that.:couch:

[BillsSabresB.C.T. Fan]

Are you Larry Quinn?








Seriously, are you Larry Quinn?

from the Press Conference on 4/2/2007

Quinn: Before we go, I want - so we're perfectly clear….(for) Chris Drury, we were prepared to pay that money that he received - that was not the issue. He chose to go to New York - he did not want to come back to Buffalo. There was not a….and the discussions from - just to clarify a lot of things that I've read - the discussions with Chris Drury started two or three days after the season (ended). So, ultimately, as Darcy said, the player chooses. (If) He does not want to come to the Buffalo Sabres, there's not a lot we can do with that. We were prepared to meet the financial requirements.

Quinn: Let's get the timeline right because it's important to have the facts. Let's go backwards. We had some discussions with Chris in the fall. There was not an offer made - we didn't imply that. I said that we started this discussion two days after the season started. About a week following that, we made an offer and a week - and only followed by a week because we were asked to wait a week, we then had discussions, on and off, up until yesterday afternoon. We made a subsequent offer, after the first offer. We never received a counter. We repeatedly asked what the number was. Darcy had probably - I don't know, two or three conversations…maybe four…yesterday with his (Drury's) agent.

So, there was always an intent to provide the resources to bring Chris here. I'm telling you that the five year, $7 Million (offer), we were prepared to do that…

Q: OK, so…

Quinn: That (money) wasn't the issue.

Q: …Last September, there was no offer made - is that what you're saying?

Quinn: Yes, that's right.

http://www.sabresfans.com/articles.asp?id=2120&ref=76

[Philagape]

Q: …Last September, there was no offer made - is that what you're saying?

Quinn: Yes, that's right.

http://www.sabresfans.com/articles.asp?id=2120&ref=76

And that's the problem, not making the offer.

Notice the nonspecific spin Quinn uses -- "discussions" -- but, after fumbling around like he was caught with his pants down, he conveniently doesn't mention the deal AGREED TO, just that the Sabres DIDN'T MAKE THE OFFER.

Drury waited for the Sabres to present the contract, but they didn’t bring it up again. Drury withdrew the deal after a couple of weeks, the source said, because it was “bad business” not to officially finish the talks.
http://goosesroost.blogspot.com/2007/07/oh-now-who-do-you-believe.html

As for claiming he was asked to wait, well, somebody's not telling the whole truth, and only in a world populated by his family and his lawyers does Larry Spinn get the benefit of the doubt. I believe any source over him. Only Quinn, who has to maintain the team's PR, has reason to fudge the truth.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Losman wins OWNED YOU!!!! LOL

[Philagape]

Losman wins OWNED YOU!!!! LOL

:rofl: By quoting Larry Spinn? That just shows that he (and you) are drinking the Kool-Aid like lemmings.

[BillsSabresB.C.T. Fan]

Losman wins OWNED YOU!!!! LOL

:bravo:

[Philagape]

:homer: :homer:

[chernobylwraiths]

:bravo:

Take all the credit you want. You are wrong. The Sabres had discussions with Drury in September and came to a conclusion about how much it would take to sign Drury. The Sabres F'ed up.

[THATHURMANATOR]

:bravo:
:hi5:

I guess Philagape was present at all the discussions... I know it is IMPOSSIBLE to think that a player's agent lied... That never happens. It must be the GM.

[chernobylwraiths]

:hi5:

I guess Philagape was present at all the discussions... I know it is IMPOSSIBLE to think that a player's agent lied... That never happens. It must be the GM.

Player's agent, the player himself and Mike Schoop from GR said he had discussions with someone with knowledge inside the Sabres organization that said they had numbers that both sides felt they could live with. And we all know how Schoop likes to bash the Sabres.

[THATHURMANATOR]

:rofl: By quoting Larry Spinn? That just shows that he (and you) are drinking the Kool-Aid like lemmings.
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[THATHURMANATOR]

Take all the credit you want. You are wrong. The Sabres had discussions with Drury in September and came to a conclusion about how much it would take to sign Drury. The Sabres F'ed up.
No you are wrong.

[chernobylwraiths]

No you are wrong.

You are!

[Philagape]

:hi5:

I guess Philagape was present at all the discussions... I know it is IMPOSSIBLE to think that a player's agent lied... That never happens. It must be the GM.

Who has more reason to lie? Who does the agent care about besides his client? Who would care more about PR?
Where did we get specific numbers that were never denied? If that was just made up, wouldn't the Sabres vehemently deny it? They didn't ... Larry Spinn just says there were "discussions."

And he even contradicts himself in the same paragraph!!
There was not an offer made - we didn't imply that. I said that we started this discussion two days after the season started. About a week following that, we made an offer

Which is it, Larry?? What a bumbling ****** caught with his pants down.

[THATHURMANATOR]

You are!
NO YOU ARE.

[chernobylwraiths]

NO YOU ARE.

You are, infinity!

[THATHURMANATOR]

Who cares anyways? Drury is old. How could we afford to keep him at 7 mil a year? We would have lost Vanek for sure. I would rather have the 23 year old 40 goal scorer that lead the league in plus minus.

[chernobylwraiths]

Who cares anyways? Drury is old. How could we afford to keep him at 7 mil a year? We would have lost Vanek for sure. I would rather have the 23 year old 40 goal scorer that lead the league in plus minus.

It's easier to lead the league in plus minus when you are third line player.

Drury is 30. I would have preferred to have him and the four first round draft picks.

[THATHURMANATOR]

That logic is slightly flawed though. A third line guy shouldn't get enough ice time to have a chance to lead the league

Drury will be 31 in 2 weeks.

[Philagape]

Niedermayer, age 34, $6 million
Selanne, age 37, $6 million

STANLEY CUP

[chernobylwraiths]

That logic is slightly flawed though. A third line guy shouldn't get enough ice time to have a chance to lead the league

Drury will be 31 in 2 weeks.

But a third line guy will be matched against other third line guys. That is a mismatch which the Sabres constantly capitalized on.

I was still right, he is 30. How old are you?

[THATHURMANATOR]

Drury age 30 last year NO STANLEY CUP.

[THATHURMANATOR]

But a third line guy will be matched against other third line guys. That is a mismatch which the Sabres constantly capitalized on.

I was still right, he is 30. How old are you?
No generally 3rd line guys are more defensive and paired against the scoring lines of other teams. Point is the Sabres didn't really have a 3rd line last year but 3 #1s.

He will be 31 before the season starts is what I meant. Yes you were technically right! I am 30 also. Drury is like 8 months older than me.

[Philagape]

Drury age 30 last year NO STANLEY CUP.

So let's get rid of all of them then, including the front office. They failed too.

[chernobylwraiths]

No generally 3rd line guys are more defensive and paired against the scoring lines of other teams. Point is the Sabres didn't really have a 3rd line last year but 3 #1s.

He will be 31 before the season starts is what I meant. Yes you were technically right! I am 30 also. Drury is like 8 months older than me.

Actually SECOND line guys are usually the defensive line, like Drury's line. Briere's line was the offensive line that other teams generally sent their best defensive line out against.

[Philagape]

You know what's outrageous? What they're paying Vanek and Roy combined is about what they could have been paying for both Drury and Briere.

Screw youth; I want the Cup now. Stafford and Connolly could have replaced Vanek and Roy much more easily than replacing what the Sabres have lost.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Actually SECOND line guys are usually the defensive line, like Drury's line. Briere's line was the offensive line that other teams generally sent their best defensive line out against.
I think 3rd lines are usually the scoring line.

[chernobylwraiths]

I think 3rd lines are usually the scoring line.

Um, do you watch hockey? You aren't making sense. The Sabres were one of only a handful of teams that even had a third line.

[BillsSabresB.C.T. Fan]

Larry Spinn nice! is that all you can come with :roflmao:

[THATHURMANATOR]

Um, do you watch hockey? You aren't making sense. The Sabres were one of only a handful of teams that even had a third line.
I was just joking really but handful of teams to even have a 3rd line? HUH. All teams have 4 lines every game. What were you trying to say here?

[THATHURMANATOR]

Obviously some teams tend to rarely use their 4th line.

[Philagape]

Larry Spinn nice! is that all you can come with :roflmao:

You mean besides pointing out where he contradicted himself and never denied that a deal was agreed to?

All you can come up with in reply is ... well, nothing

[chernobylwraiths]

I was just joking really but handful of teams to even have a 3rd line? HUH. All teams have 4 lines every game. What were you trying to say here?

All I was saying was that most teams only have two lines that can play well. They don't expect them to score much. I wasn't talking in the literal sense.

I was hoping that you were joking.

[BillsSabresB.C.T. Fan]

from Business First magazine Half Inner Harbor, Half Sabres

LQ: The front-page News story that Chris Drury had agreed (to terms) with us and we never sent a contract. That just simply didn't happen.

BF: The agreement didn't happen?

LQ: No. Chris made an offer to us, which we didn't accept, and he knows we didn't accept it. But the notion that we came to terms and didn't bother to send him a contract and therefore he became upset with us is just complete fiction.

I thought it was very misleading to our fans. The problem with those kind of things, normally you don't care, is they become part of the written Internet record. I guarantee you that for years now, people will do searches and they'll write a story about how Chris Drury left Buffalo because a secretary signed his contract and never sent it to him, which is complete, utter fiction.

http://buffalo.bizjournals.com/buffalo/stories/2007/08/06/story3.html?

[Philagape]

from Business First magazine Half Inner Harbor, Half Sabres

LQ: The front-page News story that Chris Drury had agreed (to terms) with us and we never sent a contract. That just simply didn't happen.

BF: The agreement didn't happen?

LQ: No. Chris made an offer to us, which we didn't accept, and he knows we didn't accept it. But the notion that we came to terms and didn't bother to send him a contract and therefore he became upset with us is just complete fiction.

I thought it was very misleading to our fans. The problem with those kind of things, normally you don't care, is they become part of the written Internet record. I guarantee you that for years now, people will do searches and they'll write a story about how Chris Drury left Buffalo because a secretary signed his contract and never sent it to him, which is complete, utter fiction.

http://buffalo.bizjournals.com/buffalo/stories/2007/08/06/story3.html?


Sorry, but Larry Quinn's word is worthless. Why? Because this statement contradicts his own words AGAIN:

Chris made an offer to us contradicts We never received a counter.

Quinn just can't get his story straight. Somewhere, he is lying.

And if the above statement is true, it would dispel two notions: 1. That Drury never wanted to be here; and 2. That it wasn't about money, which Quinn claimed. Why did the Sabres turn down Drury's supposed offer?

You can't prove Larry Quinn's words with more of Larry Quinn's words.

[THATHURMANATOR]

All I was saying was that most teams only have two lines that can play well. They don't expect them to score much. I wasn't talking in the literal sense.

I was hoping that you were joking.
Oh got ya!