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Bling

08-13-2007, 04:08 PM

I remember when you guys had as good a Defense as Miami boasted. It was right about the time that Williams left that your D went sour. What happened? Was it losing Adams, P. Williams, Milloy, Winfield? Your defense use to be one to brag about, and it's slowly regressed. What happened?

DynaPaul

08-13-2007, 04:27 PM

Not signing Fat Pat was a HUGE mistake. Milloy and Winfield were no big losses. Our incompetent ex-GM, Major Tom, really dropped the ball on the Pat Williams negotiations. It all starts with the D line.

Crisis

08-13-2007, 04:30 PM

A healthy Takeo Spikes in his prime as well as Fat Pat and Sam Adams.

dolphan117

08-13-2007, 05:28 PM

Bling

08-13-2007, 05:31 PM

Yup, get that right and it makes life a lot easier on the rest.

Great point. Anytime you have a stud like Jason Taylor with solid DL like Vonnie Holliday and Keith Traylor, you won't have problems on the DL.

ParanoidAndroid

08-13-2007, 05:32 PM

Those players got older, their contracts ran out, and they're gone. Now our defense is very young and inexperienced. Every team goes through cycles like this.

shelby

08-13-2007, 05:33 PM

I remember when you guys had as good a Defense as Miami boasted.
If your D is that good, how in the world did we sweep you last season?
:squish:

Stewie

08-13-2007, 05:35 PM

the biggest three losses, in order were williams, adams, and gregg williams... bills defense really lost it after moving away from the aggressive scheming

mchurchfie

08-13-2007, 05:35 PM

Our defense went south of the border when Gregg Williams arrived with his new defense bull**** philosophyand gutted what was a very proud, successful, and time-tested defense. It's never been the same.

mchurchfie

08-13-2007, 05:35 PM

If your D is that good, how in the world did we sweep you last season?
:squish:
*****ty offense.:snicker:

Bling

08-13-2007, 05:36 PM

If your D is that good, how in the world did we sweep you last season?
:squish:

Bad offense. :ill:

shelby

08-13-2007, 05:36 PM

Week 2: at Miami Dolphins<TABLE class=wikitable style="MARGIN-LEFT: 3em; POSITION: relative" align=right><TBODY><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #e6e6e6; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><TH></TH><TH width=25>1</TH><TH width=25>2</TH><TH width=25>3</TH><TH width=25>4</TH><TH width=25>Total</TH></TR><TR style="TEXT-ALIGN: center"><TD align=left>Bills</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>16</TD></TR><TR style="TEXT-ALIGN: center"><TD align=left>Dolphins</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>6</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>at Dolphin Stadium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin_Stadium), Miami, Florida (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami%2C_Florida)

For Week 2, the Bills traveled to Dolphins Stadium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphins_Stadium) to take on another AFC East rival, the Miami Dolphins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Dolphins). The Bills managed to get the only score of the first half with a 33-yard field goal by Kicker Rian Lindell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rian_Lindell) in the first quarter. It wasn't until the third quarter that the Bills were able to get productive. QB J.P. Losman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J.P._Losman) threw a 4-yard pass to WR Josh Reed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Reed), while Lindell kicked a 45 and a 43-yard field goal. Even though the Dolphins managed to score in the fourth quarter on a 23-yard pass to WR Chris Chambers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Chambers) (with a failed 2-point conversion), the Bills defense dominated the game, as they spoiled Dolphins QB Daunte Culpepper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daunte_Culpepper)'s home-opening debut by sacking him seven times (along with two forced fumbles) and blocking a punt, allowing Buffalo to rebound with confidence. With the win, the Bills moved to 1-1.

Week 15: vs Miami Dolphins<TABLE class=wikitable style="MARGIN-LEFT: 3em; POSITION: relative" align=right><TBODY><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #e6e6e6; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><TH></TH><TH width=25>1</TH><TH width=25>2</TH><TH width=25>3</TH><TH width=25>4</TH><TH width=25>Total</TH></TR><TR style="TEXT-ALIGN: center"><TD align=left>Dolphins</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD></TR><TR style="TEXT-ALIGN: center"><TD align=left>Bills</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>21</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
at Ralph Wilson Stadium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Wilson_Stadium), Buffalo, New York (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo%2C_New_York)

The Bills played at home (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Wilson_Stadium) against their rivals, the Miami Dolphins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Dolphins). In order to keep the slim chance of going to the playoffs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_playoffs) alive, the Bills had to defeat the Fins. Not only did they sweep their AFC East rival, they shut them down.
Bills' quarterback J.P. Losman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J.P._Losman) had another fine game with 200 yards passing, 3 touchdown passes and no interceptions. It was the exact opposite for Miami's quarterback Joey Harrington (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joey_Harrington) who threw only 98 yards passing, 2 interceptions and achieved a near-impossible 0.0 passer rating (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passer_rating).
After a scoreless first quarter, Losman threw a 33-yard touchdown pass to tight end Robert Royal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Royal), putting the Bills ahead 7-0 into halftime. In the third quarter, Losman threw a 27-yard pass to wide receiver Josh Reed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Reed), putting the Bills up by two touchdowns 14-0. In the final quarter, Losman threw another TD pass to wide receiver Lee Evans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Evans_%28American_football%29).
Miami had the ball on Buffalo's 1-yard line with 6 seconds left in the game. Looking for a touchdown, Miami's backup quarterback Cleo Lemon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleo_Lemon) threw a pass intended for Chris Chambers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Chambers) but was batted down at the line of scrimmage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_of_scrimmage) by Ryan Denney (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Denney), keeping the Dolphins scoreless.
With this win, the Bills improved their record to 7-7.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Buffalo_Bills_season

Stewie

08-13-2007, 05:36 PM

shelby

08-13-2007, 05:36 PM

Ah.....good times.

mchurchfie

08-13-2007, 05:38 PM

Are you kidding? we had the #1 or #2 defense while he was here
Statistically maybe, but, they couldn't stop anything when it really counted. They still sucked balls.

Bling

08-13-2007, 05:44 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Buffalo_Bills_season

283 yards passing? You'd swear that was one game, but that's Losman's total over two games. Miami put up 17.7 pt/game for 5th in the league. Bills put up 18.5 pt/game. Give or take a FG, and you're doing on par. Again, Miami has had one of the best defenses in the last 8 or 9 years. I'd say only NE, Chicago, Baltimore and Jax can rival that.

dolphan117

08-13-2007, 05:47 PM

If your D is that good, how in the world did we sweep you last season?
:squish:Mike Mularkey was our OC.

I could give a much longer explanation but do you really need it?

xXSpIkes5IXx

08-13-2007, 05:47 PM

Are you kidding? we had the #1 or #2 defense while he was here

Actually we didnt have good defense at all during the Gregg Williams era... the year we were ranked #2 was MM's first year.

OpIv37

08-13-2007, 05:52 PM

Bling

08-13-2007, 05:57 PM

Slowly? there was nothing slow about it. We were the #2 D in 2004, then we lost Pat Williams and we sucked ever since.

Well, I didn't want to make a thread that would rile up the homer nest. :::

baalworship

08-13-2007, 06:10 PM

Slowly? there was nothing slow about it. We were the #2 D in 2004, then we lost Pat Williams and we sucked ever since.

Exactly. The day we bring in a legitimate DT that can stop the run is the day we become a playoff contender again.

Stewie

08-13-2007, 10:32 PM

Actually we didnt have good defense at all during the Gregg Williams era... the year we were ranked #2 was MM's first year.

Technically, we were ranked #2 both in williams last year (2003) and mularkey's first year (2004). Jerry Gray was still running williams defense in 2004.

PECKERWOOD

08-14-2007, 12:34 AM

Well, I didn't want to make a thread that would rile up the homer nest. :::

Too late...

http://www.quartermasterdesign.com/coastal/10b.jpg

jamze132

08-14-2007, 02:17 PM

I know our defense sucks and that Miami's defense is better and all but over the last couple of years, we are still a better team than the Dolphins. The record doesn't lie.

To be the man, you gotta beat the man... WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Carry on.

duhbilz

08-14-2007, 02:58 PM

The Tampa 2 is what happened, that and the loss of any size in the middle.

North_Coast

08-14-2007, 07:55 PM

Statistically maybe, but, they couldn't stop anything when it really counted. They still sucked balls.

Exactly! I'd get so po'd at the D because they never stopped anybody in the fourth quarter. It was also a blitz-happy D which made it very vulnerable to good QBs -- and sometimes very mediocre ones like Sage Rosenfels.

The only year I'd give them a pass was 2003 when the offense was so god-awful, it didn't score TDs for multiple quarters in a row, so even allowing 11 or 12 points a game wasn't good enough to for wins.

YardRat

08-14-2007, 08:58 PM

The only year I'd give them a pass was 2003 when the offense was so god-awful, it didn't score TDs for multiple quarters in a row, so even allowing 11 or 12 points a game wasn't good enough to for wins.

On those grounds, you might as well give them a pass for '04, '05, and '06 also.

OpIv37

08-14-2007, 09:08 PM

Statistically maybe, but, they couldn't stop anything when it really counted. They still sucked balls.

Yeah, it's so much better now, when we suck statistically and can't stop anything whether it really counts or not.

mchurchfie

08-15-2007, 01:42 PM

Yeah, it's so much better now, when we suck statistically and can't stop anything whether it really counts or not.
I never said it was any better but at least we don't have a bunch of overpaid, overrated and washup players on the team and we are headed in the right direction.::: This defense scheme is more sound and more proven than Jerry Gray's also.

mchurchfie

08-15-2007, 01:44 PM

Exactly! I'd get so po'd at the D because they never stopped anybody in the fourth quarter. It was also a blitz-happy D which made it very vulnerable to good QBs --
They were making journeyman QBs looking like all-pros. They were blitz happy but they never got to the QB so they always got carved up.

TacklingDummy

08-15-2007, 01:58 PM

duhbilz

08-15-2007, 02:10 PM

I never said it was any better but at least we don't have a bunch of overpaid, overrated and washup players on the team and we are headed in the right direction.::: This defense scheme is more sound and more proven than Jerry Gray's also.

Must be that crystal ball you're carrying around.

duhbilz

08-15-2007, 02:12 PM

justasportsfan

08-15-2007, 02:12 PM

Must be that crystal ball you're carrying around.
well we did improve from a year ago in total D . Does that stat count as fact? DOn't forget, that improvement came playing in just one year in a new system.

TacklingDummy

08-15-2007, 02:18 PM

well we did improve from a year ago in total D . Does that stat count as fact? DOn't forget, that improvement came playing in just one year in a new system.

2005: 29th
2006: 18th
2007: 28th so far, Ouch

Offense is not much better this year, 29th.

:snicker:

duhbilz

08-15-2007, 02:20 PM

well we did improve from a year ago in total D . Does that stat count as fact? DOn't forget, that improvement came playing in just one year in a new system.

Well using this logic what do you have to say about the offense? They didn't improve...not in the rankings. Yet the feeling is the Bills offense will make a big leap forward based on last year. Based on what? The same ranking as the year before? You can't be wishy washy, you can't take everything that is a positive and post facts about it then ignore the negative and act like it never happened. This is where I see your bias, try to run the middle line and you'll see a much more realistic picture. It's OK to think positive, but to trash everyone who tries to be a little more realistic makes you seem bias. Nobody is kncoking your view or opinion, deal with others having thei own opinion, even if you don't agree, that's what adults do.

justasportsfan

08-15-2007, 02:31 PM

Well using this logic what do you have to say about the offense? They didn't improve...not in the rankings. Yet the feeling is the Bills offense will make a big leap forward based on last year. Based on what? The same ranking as the year before? You can't be wishy washy, you can't take everything that is a positive and post facts about it then ignore the negative and act like it never happened. This is where I see your bias, try to run the middle line and you'll see a much more realistic picture. It's OK to think positive, but to trash everyone who tries to be a little more realistic makes you seem bias. Nobody is kncoking your view or opinion, deal with others having thei own opinion, even if you don't agree, that's what adults do.
how did it turn from the D to the O? :huh:. Never said our O was better during Gray's (who got nothing to do with the O ) time compared to todays O.

So I bring up a fact about a D and you switch to the O?

I don't have a problem with anyones opinion. What are you talking about?

I have the bills going 8-8? Is that unrealistic. You're lost dude.

duhbilz

08-15-2007, 03:52 PM

how did it turn from the D to the O? :huh:. Never said our O was better during Gray's (who got nothing to do with the O ) time compared to todays O.

So I bring up a fact about a D and you switch to the O?

I don't have a problem with anyones opinion. What are you talking about?

I have the bills going 8-8? Is that unrealistic. You're lost dude.

Talk about lost, your excuses don't add up. You make a claim that the D improved from 2005 to 2006 so it must improve from 2006 to 2007. Well what about the offense, it didn't imporve from 2005 to 2006 so what will the Offense be? You're trying to make an excuse for one point of view of one side of the ball, now apply that logic to both sides of the ball and like I said you'll have a better more relalistic view of this team.

Again your logic isn't steady, it's wishy washy based on what you want people to believe. It's obvious you can't handle people not thinking the way you think or else you wouldn't stress over everything I write. I'm simply trying to graps you logic and from what I can tell you'll say anything without regards to consitency. I could care less what you think of the D if you don't use that same logic with everything and clearly you don't. Where do you see the improvement the D? with all the trouble along the line or the O that was ranked 30th overall?? I can't wait to read the logic you'll use on this.

mchurchfie

08-15-2007, 04:33 PM

mchurchfie

08-15-2007, 04:34 PM

Must be that crystal ball you're carrying around.Nope, just trying to be positive.:::

justasportsfan

08-15-2007, 04:36 PM

Talk about lost, your excuses don't add up. You make a claim that the D improved from 2005 to 2006 so it must improve from 2006 to 2007. Well what about the offense, it didn't imporve from 2005 to 2006 so what will the Offense be? You're trying to make an excuse for one point of view of one side of the ball, now apply that logic to both sides of the ball and like I said you'll have a better more relalistic view of this team.

Again your logic isn't steady, it's wishy washy based on what you want people to believe. It's obvious you can't handle people not thinking the way you think or else you wouldn't stress over everything I write. I'm simply trying to graps you logic and from what I can tell you'll say anything without regards to consitency. I could care less what you think of the D if you don't use that same logic with everything and clearly you don't. Where do you see the improvement the D? with all the trouble along the line or the O that was ranked 30th overall?? I can't wait to read the logic you'll use on this.

I was merely pointing out a fact between Grays D and last years. I never said anything about this years D. You're the one putting words in my mouth.

Haha! You're still yapping. You're insecurity is showing , FTP. :snicker:

duhbilz

08-15-2007, 04:51 PM

Nope, just trying to be positive.:::

Hey nothing wrong with that as long as you put an "I hope" in there instead of making it seem as though it's a fact.

justasportsfan

08-15-2007, 04:54 PM

I think you have his panties in a bunch Justa.:D

just like FTP who then eventually put me on ignore . Busted. He's probably thinkng of another name to use as I type. :snicker:

mchurchfie

08-15-2007, 04:57 PM

Hey nothing wrong with that as long as you put an "I hope" in there instead of making it seem as though it's a fact.It is fact.:::

mysticsoto

08-15-2007, 09:35 PM

Talk about lost, your excuses don't add up. You make a claim that the D improved from 2005 to 2006 so it must improve from 2006 to 2007. Well what about the offense, it didn't imporve from 2005 to 2006 so what will the Offense be? You're trying to make an excuse for one point of view of one side of the ball, now apply that logic to both sides of the ball and like I said you'll have a better more relalistic view of this team.

Again your logic isn't steady, it's wishy washy based on what you want people to believe. It's obvious you can't handle people not thinking the way you think or else you wouldn't stress over everything I write. I'm simply trying to graps you logic and from what I can tell you'll say anything without regards to consitency. I could care less what you think of the D if you don't use that same logic with everything and clearly you don't. Where do you see the improvement the D? with all the trouble along the line or the O that was ranked 30th overall?? I can't wait to read the logic you'll use on this.

You know...the more you post, the more it becomes obvious you are FTP. It's pretty sad that you have to hide behind another name and we can still see right through you!!!

duhbilz

08-15-2007, 09:39 PM

You know...the more you post, the more it becomes obvious you are FTP. It's pretty sad that you have to hide behind another name and we can still see right through you!!!

I don't know who this FTP is, but if I post like someone else that just too bad.

Bling

08-15-2007, 09:43 PM

I don't know who this FTP is, but if I post like someone else that just too bad.

I don't even get how you're FTP. FTP is a Dolphin fan, you're a Bills fan (duhbilz). I think they're just mad that you post stuff they don't like.

duhbilz

08-15-2007, 09:51 PM

I don't even get how you're FTP. FTP is a Dolphin fan, you're a Bills fan (duhbilz). I think they're just mad that you post stuff they don't like.

I think the exact same thing. If their this hard on their own I feel bad for you rival fans!!

mysticsoto

08-16-2007, 07:41 AM

I don't even get how you're FTP. FTP is a Dolphin fan, you're a Bills fan (duhbilz). I think they're just mad that you post stuff they don't like.
Really? Show me a post where this so called Bills fan - DuhBilz, has said anything good or even insinuated that he is a fan of the Bills.

Look at his own handle - duhBilz...it's condescending towards the Bills, but then he frequently tries to pretend he's a neutral party even though what he usually ends up posting is something negative on the Bills or trying to agree with the negative nancies around here to hide himself. He's not a Bills fan and some of you are really gullible to not be able to see through FTP's disguise! He even makes some of the same spelling mistakes...

justasportsfan

08-16-2007, 08:56 AM

I don't even get how you're FTP. FTP is a Dolphin fan, you're a Bills fan (duhbilz). I think they're just mad that you post stuff they don't like.
haha! it's FTP. The similarities are there. I say one thing about 2005 vs. 2006 D and then he rants about me as if I made my beeyotch clean the toilet. Then in no time he puts me on ignore. I know the smell of my beeyotch.

He's trying to disguise himself and won't admit he's a finfan because he'd get caught. But his obvious by the way his panties are all in a bunch because I ccompared MY bills of 2005 to 2006 WITH facts and then he calls me bias.

I don't care if you believe me or not.

jamze132

08-16-2007, 12:29 PM

Does this mean the Lions are better then the Bills cause they beat us head to head?
No. "Any given Sunday" comes into play in that instance. It also came into play when Miami beat the Patriots. But when you have owned a team over a 2-3 season timeframe, it means we are better. Plus our record has been better.

The Patriots have owned us for like 5 years now.

duhbilz

08-16-2007, 12:30 PM

jamze132

08-16-2007, 12:35 PM

I don't even get how you're FTP. FTP is a Dolphin fan, you're a Bills fan (duhbilz). I think they're just mad that you post stuff they don't like.
You sometimes post stuff that we don't like but we don't call you FTP! :nono:

Duh does sound like FTP though... :blah:

mysticsoto

08-16-2007, 01:00 PM

No. "Any given Sunday" comes into play in that instance. It also came into play when Miami beat the Patriots. But when you have owned a team over a 2-3 season timeframe, it means we are better. Plus our record has been better.

The Patriots have owned us for like 5 years now.

A better example would have been Miami beating the Bears. Miami only beat the Patriots b'cse they cheated and knew what Brady was going to do every time he called an audible. If you know what they play is going to be, it's pretty easy to implement a good counter - and then all you have to do is disguise it a bit.

I doubt Miami will be able to do the same thing again this year...and I wouldn't be surprised if the Patriots want revenge and really pour it on such that the score is a complete blowout! Well, I guess that still wouldn't surprise anyone regardless...

Bling

08-16-2007, 01:33 PM

A better example would have been Miami beating the Bears. Miami only beat the Patriots b'cse they cheated and knew what Brady was going to do every time he called an audible. If you know what they play is going to be, it's pretty easy to implement a good counter - and then all you have to do is disguise it a bit.

I doubt Miami will be able to do the same thing again this year...and I wouldn't be surprised if the Patriots want revenge and really pour it on such that the score is a complete blowout! Well, I guess that still wouldn't surprise anyone regardless...

So now you believing accusations out of Patriots camp of cheating? :rofl:

mysticsoto

08-16-2007, 01:42 PM

So now you believing accusations out of Patriots camp of cheating? :rofl:

I think that was pretty well established...

jamze132

08-16-2007, 01:48 PM

A better example would have been Miami beating the Bears. Miami only beat the Patriots b'cse they cheated and knew what Brady was going to do every time he called an audible. If you know what they play is going to be, it's pretty easy to implement a good counter - and then all you have to do is disguise it a bit.

I doubt Miami will be able to do the same thing again this year...and I wouldn't be surprised if the Patriots want revenge and really pour it on such that the score is a complete blowout! Well, I guess that still wouldn't surprise anyone regardless...
I don't consider it cheating. If you can gain an advantage, you take it. I applaud them for it. I just don't think Tom and Co. showed up that day.

mysticsoto

08-16-2007, 01:51 PM

I don't consider it cheating. If you can gain an advantage, you take it. I applaud them for it. I just don't think Tom and Co. showed up that day.

My whole point was just...we'll see how well they do this year without that "advantage"...