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  • OpIv37
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    • Sep 2002
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    Our OL- Ten Years of Struggles

    There is a blog in the Wash Post today about Brunell vs Todd Collins (yes, THAT Todd Collins) for the Redskins backup QB spot-

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    They have some quotes from the Buffalo News about Collins' last NFL start, in Buffalo in 1997. One of them jumped out at me:

    As any Bills follower knows, Collins' first season as a starting quarterback was, in a word, disappointing. He finished 29th in the NFL passer ratings. He got worse as the season wore on. He failed to spot open receivers. He too often failed to connect with open receivers he did see. He rarely made plays on his own when his pass protection was less that adequate -- which was often.
    Wow.

    I know we've had OL struggles for a while, but I don't remember them going back THAT far. What's the problem here?

    At the risk of stating the obvious, I think it's two-fold. First, lack of drafting for the lines. The Bills rarely spend high picks on either the OL and the DL, and when they do, they usually suck like Mike Williams.

    Second, poor FA selection for the OL: Chris Villarial, Bennie Anderson and Tutan Reyes come immediately to mind.

    The good news: most of this was on the previous FO and previous coaches. The bad news: the current brass hasnt' drafted a first day OL yet and they already missed once in FA with Reyes.

    It's frustrating to think that through 10 years, 4 head coaches and two GM's, we still haven't gotten it right. Hopefully this is the year.... if it's not, at least it won't be due to lack of effort.
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  • OpIv37
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    • Sep 2002
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    Re: Our OL- Ten Years of Struggles

    or is it 3 GM's? What year did TD take over?
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    • justasportsfan
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      • Jul 2002
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      #3
      Re: Our OL- Ten Years of Struggles

      Originally posted by OpIv37
      The bad news: the current brass hasnt' drafted a first day OL yet and they already missed once in FA with Reyes.

      .
      but addressed it via FA'cy with Dockery and Walker so they really didn't neglect the OL but instead used the draft for other positions.
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      • justasportsfan
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        • Jul 2002
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        Re: Our OL- Ten Years of Struggles

        Originally posted by OpIv37
        or is it 3 GM's? What year did TD take over?
        Collins was under Butler, if you don't count him, 2 GMs to date.
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        • Bling
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          • Jul 2004
          • 13022

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          Originally posted by justasportsfan
          but addressed it via FA'cy with Dockery and Walker so they really didn't neglect the OL but instead used the draft for other positions.
          We'll see about these guys. I don't think you can judge either just yet as good or bad.

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          • justasportsfan
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            • Jul 2002
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            Originally posted by Bling
            We'll see about these guys. I don't think you can judge either just yet as good or bad.

            I didn't judge them. Just stating the OL wasn't neglected.
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            • Bling
              Registered User
              • Jul 2004
              • 13022

              #7
              Re: Our OL- Ten Years of Struggles

              Originally posted by justasportsfan
              I didn't judge them. Just stating the OL wasn't neglected.
              Gotcha!

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              • raphael120
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                • Oct 2005
                • 5152

                #8
                Re: Our OL- Ten Years of Struggles

                Originally posted by OpIv37

                Second, poor FA selection for the OL: Chris Villarial, Bennie Anderson and Tutan Reyes come immediately to mind.

                The good news: most of this was on the previous FO and previous coaches. The bad news: the current brass hasnt' drafted a first day OL yet and they already missed once in FA with Reyes.

                It's frustrating to think that through 10 years, 4 head coaches and two GM's, we still haven't gotten it right. Hopefully this is the year.... if it's not, at least it won't be due to lack of effort.
                You forgot Mike Gandy too.

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                • SABURZFAN
                  short bus extraordinaire
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 50747

                  #9
                  Re: Our OL- Ten Years of Struggles

                  Originally posted by OpIv37
                  There is a blog in the Wash Post today about Brunell vs Todd Collins (yes, THAT Todd Collins) for the Redskins backup QB spot-

                  Breaking news, live coverage, investigations, analysis, video, photos and opinions from The Washington Post. Subscribe for the latest on U.S. and international news, politics, business, technology, climate change, health and wellness, sports, science, weather, lifestyle and more.


                  They have some quotes from the Buffalo News about Collins' last NFL start, in Buffalo in 1997. One of them jumped out at me:



                  Wow.

                  I know we've had OL struggles for a while, but I don't remember them going back THAT far. What's the problem here?

                  At the risk of stating the obvious, I think it's two-fold. First, lack of drafting for the lines. The Bills rarely spend high picks on either the OL and the DL, and when they do, they usually suck like Mike Williams.

                  Second, poor FA selection for the OL: Chris Villarial, Bennie Anderson and Tutan Reyes come immediately to mind.

                  The good news: most of this was on the previous FO and previous coaches. The bad news: the current brass hasnt' drafted a first day OL yet and they already missed once in FA with Reyes.

                  It's frustrating to think that through 10 years, 4 head coaches and two GM's, we still haven't gotten it right. Hopefully this is the year.... if it's not, at least it won't be due to lack of effort.


                  i've been hollering about the OL since this boards existence.Donna Ho TOTALLY neglected it during his tenure.it didn't help that Butler tanked his last draft in Buffalo either.
                  Originally posted by yordad
                  Christ, you are the queerest person in the history of Bills fanhood. I swear to god I would stomp you.

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                  • Philagape
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                    • Jul 2002
                    • 19432

                    #10
                    Re: Our OL- Ten Years of Struggles

                    Originally posted by raphael120
                    You forgot Mike Gandy too.
                    not to mention Trey Teague
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                    • OpIv37
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                      • Sep 2002
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                      #11
                      Re: Our OL- Ten Years of Struggles

                      Originally posted by justasportsfan
                      I didn't judge them. Just stating the OL wasn't neglected.
                      at times over that 10 year span, it was neglected. At other times, it was addressed poorly. Hopefully that won't happen again here.
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                      • mchurchfie
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                        • Jul 2002
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                        #12
                        Re: Our OL- Ten Years of Struggles

                        Our line started going south of the border in the last of the Kelly days. That was one of the reasons his last play of his career he was wheeled off on a cart.
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                        • Philagape
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                          • Jul 2002
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                          #13
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                          Originally posted by mchurchfie
                          Our line started going south of the border in the last of the Kelly days. That was one of the reasons his last play of his career he was wheeled off on a cart.
                          Yeah I can't remember the line being a strength since the SB days
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                          • justasportsfan
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                            • Jul 2002
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                            #14
                            Re: Our OL- Ten Years of Struggles

                            Originally posted by OpIv37
                            at times over that 10 year span, it was neglected. At other times, it was addressed poorly. Hopefully that won't happen again here.
                            I don't disagree with 10(? Butler+ TD) years , but not under the current FO which my statement about Dockery and Wlaker and what I quoted you on was referring to.
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                            • Earthquake Enyart
                              Legendary Zoner
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 27521

                              #15
                              Re: Our OL- Ten Years of Struggles

                              Originally posted by mchurchfie
                              Our line started going south of the border in the last of the Kelly days. That was one of the reasons his last play of his career he was wheeled off on a cart.
                              Once we drafted Fina No. 1, we were afraid to do it again.

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