WAY early guys to watch for 08 draft!

[X-Era]

Heres my favorites (yes need is included):

Desean Jackson WR Cal- stud playmaker in the mold of Santana Moss but bigger
DE Vernon Gholston DE Ohio State (jr.)- Absolutely jacked. Hes as good or better than Will Smith was.
Justin King CB Penn State (jr.)- Great lloking prospect with unlimited potential
Antoine Cason CB Arizona- solid player
Limas Sweed WR Texas- Ive always been a fan of him. Hes not as good as Roy Williams, but hes a better prospect IMO than players like Dwayne Jarrett.

Who I dont like that much at this point:

Calais Campbell DE Miami- doesnt shed OT's that well, hes a bit undersized. I see him as a tweener OLB

[PECKERWOOD]

Brian Brohm

[X-Era]

Brian Brohm

Watch him if you like, Mike Vick has as much chance playing QB in a Bills uni as Brohm does.

[PECKERWOOD]

Watch him if you like, Mike Vick has as much chance playing QB in a Bills uni as Brohm does.

If Losman fails than Brian Brohm in Buffalo is very plausible.

[DraftBoy]

Heres my favorites (yes need is included):

Desean Jackson WR Cal- stud playmaker in the mold of Santana Moss but bigger
DE Vernon Gholston DE Ohio State (jr.)- Absolutely jacked. Hes as good or better than Will Smith was.
Justin King CB Penn State (jr.)- Great lloking prospect with unlimited potential
Antoine Cason CB Arizona- solid player
Limas Sweed WR Texas- Ive always been a fan of him. Hes not as good as Roy Williams, but hes a better prospect IMO than players like Dwayne Jarrett.

Who I dont like that much at this point:

Calais Campbell DE Miami- doesnt shed OT's that well, hes a bit undersized. I see him as a tweener OLB


How in the hell is Campbell undersized at 6'8, 282lbs?

[X-Era]

How in the hell is Campbell undersized at 6'8, 282lbs?

Manute Bol cant play DE either.

He isnt built strong enough to be the force on the edge that he should be to be considered that high in the draft.

Most of his plays come when hes not blocked or barely bocked. He doesnt have the leverage you want.

[DraftBoy]

Manute Bol cant play DE either.

He isnt built strong enough to be the force on the edge that he should be to be considered that high in the draft.

Most of his plays come when hes not blocked or barely bocked. He doesnt have the leverage you want.

Complete disagreement, have you seen this kid play yet? He's an absolute monster, and is almost impossible to contain, no where is he considered a 3-4 tweener he is way too big for that.

[bflojohn]

I'm a BIG fan of Mario Manningham! He would look good in a Buffalo Bills uniform, IMO. I also think his teammate Jake Long is the real deal. The best player in the '08 draft however is non other than Glenn Dorsey, DT, out of LSU.

[kernowboy]

Definitely way too early to consider the 08 draft but having said that I think the principle needs again will be

Day1
CB .. Justin King, Penn St, 6ft, 186lbs, 4.34 40yds
DT ...Dre Moore, Maryland 6ft4, 300lbs, 4.82 40yds, perfect for the Tampa2
C ... John Sullivan, Notre Dame, 6ft4, 290lbs, 5.05 40yds
WR ..Greg Carr, Florida St, 6ft6, 205lbs, 4.49 40yds

Day2
TE ... Kory Sperry, Colorado St, 6ft6, 260lbs, 4.79 40yds
FB.... Owen Schmitt, West Virginia, 6ft3, 250lbs, 4.81, 40yds
LB ... Ollice Ervin, Buffalo, 6ft1, 232lbs
DE ... Trevor Scott, Buffalo, 6ft5, 258lbs

You can never have too many CBs
We need a big DT who can stuff the run but who can also penetrate if let loose
Fowler needs to have a proper replacement; Preston looks all at sea, and I think Aaron Merz is the RG of the future.
Carr can be the big No2 WR ... plenty of size, enough speed
Equally at TE, a big target is of use - Everett probably will never get there
A big FB to clear the road for Marshawn comes in handy
A good trio at LB needs more depth .... Digiorgio provides some but not enough and equally Kelsay, Denney and Schobel still have gas in the tank so is DE is not a priority but two local lads could certainly slip under the radar but be useful pickups

[Mudflap1]

LB ... Ollice Ervin, Buffalo, 6ft1, 232lbs
DE ... Trevor Scott, Buffalo, 6ft5, 258lbs


WTF? Two guys from UB?

Jon

[TheGhostofJimKelly]

I disagree on Campbell also, that kid can play.

[DraftBoy]

Definitely way too early to consider the 08 draft but having said that I think the principle needs again will be

Day1
CB .. Justin King, Penn St, 6ft, 186lbs, 4.34 40yds
DT ...Dre Moore, Maryland 6ft4, 300lbs, 4.82 40yds, perfect for the Tampa2
C ... John Sullivan, Notre Dame, 6ft4, 290lbs, 5.05 40yds
WR ..Greg Carr, Florida St, 6ft6, 205lbs, 4.49 40yds

Day2
TE ... Kory Sperry, Colorado St, 6ft6, 260lbs, 4.79 40yds
FB.... Owen Schmitt, West Virginia, 6ft3, 250lbs, 4.81, 40yds
LB ... Ollice Ervin, Buffalo, 6ft1, 232lbs
DE ... Trevor Scott, Buffalo, 6ft5, 258lbs

You can never have too many CBs
We need a big DT who can stuff the run but who can also penetrate if let loose
Fowler needs to have a proper replacement; Preston looks all at sea, and I think Aaron Merz is the RG of the future.
Carr can be the big No2 WR ... plenty of size, enough speed
Equally at TE, a big target is of use - Everett probably will never get there
A big FB to clear the road for Marshawn comes in handy
A good trio at LB needs more depth .... Digiorgio provides some but not enough and equally Kelsay, Denney and Schobel still have gas in the tank so is DE is not a priority but two local lads could certainly slip under the radar but be useful pickups

Solid first two round picks, though I dont know if Sullivan will be a good NFL center or not, I need to see more from him in way of leading the Notre Dame line. Carr would be a good pick with his size and jumping ability. Mine would look a bit more like;
CB Antoine Cason-Arizona St
Moore/DT Andre Fluellen-FSU
TE Jacob Tamme-Kentucky
Carr
CB Chavis Jackson-LSU
Schmitt
OG Andrew Bain-Miami
K Brandon Cotuu-UGA

[ParanoidAndroid]

Definitely way too early to consider the 08 draft but having said that I think the principle needs again will be

Day1
CB .. Justin King, Penn St, 6ft, 186lbs, 4.34 40yds
DT ...Dre Moore, Maryland 6ft4, 300lbs, 4.82 40yds, perfect for the Tampa2
C ... John Sullivan, Notre Dame, 6ft4, 290lbs, 5.05 40yds
WR ..Greg Carr, Florida St, 6ft6, 205lbs, 4.49 40yds

Day2
TE ... Kory Sperry, Colorado St, 6ft6, 260lbs, 4.79 40yds
FB.... Owen Schmitt, West Virginia, 6ft3, 250lbs, 4.81, 40yds
LB ... Ollice Ervin, Buffalo, 6ft1, 232lbs
DE ... Trevor Scott, Buffalo, 6ft5, 258lbs

You can never have too many CBs
We need a big DT who can stuff the run but who can also penetrate if let loose
Fowler needs to have a proper replacement; Preston looks all at sea, and I think Aaron Merz is the RG of the future.
Carr can be the big No2 WR ... plenty of size, enough speed
Equally at TE, a big target is of use - Everett probably will never get there
A big FB to clear the road for Marshawn comes in handy
A good trio at LB needs more depth .... Digiorgio provides some but not enough and equally Kelsay, Denney and Schobel still have gas in the tank so is DE is not a priority but two local lads could certainly slip under the radar but be useful pickups

Ok....one thing, though. You can scratch FB off your list because this offense doesn't use a traditional blocking FB. What we need is another Larry Centers type HB....imagine him in this offense.

[DraftBoy]

Ok....one thing, though. You can scratch FB off your list because this offense doesn't use a traditional blocking FB. What we need is another Larry Centers type HB....imagine him in this offense.


Im not convinced of that quite yet, regardless of what the coaches say about it but a better option then would be Jacob Hester from LSU

[X-Era]

I disagree on Campbell also, that kid can play.

Who said he cant play? I merely said, he doesnt get off blocks well.

I think hes a bit too lanky to be the stud rusher at the next level. Not enough leverage, not enough strength.

Its just an observation and opinion, not a damn indictment..GHEEZ

[DraftBoy]

Who said he cant play? I merely said, he doesnt get off blocks well.

I think hes a bit too lanky to be the stud rusher at the next level. Not enough leverage, not enough strength.

Its just an observation and opinion, not a damn indictment..GHEEZ


I just dont understand your assessment, the guy runs in the 4.6's in the 40, and has both speed and bull rush moves to get to the passer. He may need to improve his leverage, but the rest of your analysis of him makes little sense to me.

[X-Era]

I just dont understand your assessment, the guy runs in the 4.6's in the 40, and has both speed and bull rush moves to get to the passer. He may need to improve his leverage, but the rest of your analysis of him makes little sense to me.

OK, your entitled.

See Kiwinuka

At the very least Im down on players from the U.

[DraftBoy]

OK, your entitled.

See Kiwinuka

At the very least Im down on players from the U.


See what about Kiwi? 53 tackles, 4 sacks, 2 FF, 2 INT last season, now moving to OLB

[X-Era]

See what about Kiwi? 53 tackles, 4 sacks, 2 FF, 2 INT last season, now moving to OLB

See that he isnt the Bruce Smith or Strahan type prototypical beast at DE. See that a stud pass rusher should land more than 4 sacks.

Campbell wont be the stud rusher a.l.a. Peppers, Taylor, Abraham. I think hes more likely to look like Kiwi.

I just dont think hes worthy of a top 15 pick at this point. Its my opinion.

I hope Im wrong, more great players in the draft equals more possibilities at our pick.

[DraftBoy]

See that he isnt the Bruce Smith or Strahan type prototypical beast at DE. See that a stud pass rusher should land more than 4 sacks.

Campbell wont be the stud rusher a.l.a. Peppers, Taylor, Abraham. I think hes more likely to look like Kiwi.

I just dont think hes worthy of a top 15 pick at this point. Its my opinion.

I hope Im wrong, more great players in the draft equals more possibilities at our pick.


There is a large size difference in Kiwi and Campbell, 3 inches and nearly 20 pounds. Also kiwi was a pass rush specialist in college and wasn't he injured his entire rookie year? And Campbell isnt supposed to be a stud pass rusher at the next level, he is supposed to be a great all around DE. Not just a pass rusher.

[tampabay25690]

If Losman fails than Brian Brohm in Buffalo is very plausible.

He plays in the Best conference in College ball to.........YEA RIGHT...I personally think he isn't all that, he plays in a system that whips the ball all around and has 1 or 2 defenses to play against..I guess we will see

[PECKERWOOD]

That FB from Georgia Tech I think.. What's his name? I remember watching him play along with Calvin Johnson last year, he seemed very solid.

[PECKERWOOD]

Jake Long and Dan Baker are going to be solid 1st round if not 1st day selections as well. As for WR, I like Manningham alot from Mich.

[DraftBoy]

That FB from Georgia Tech I think.. What's his name? I remember watching him play along with Calvin Johnson last year, he seemed very solid.

Micheal Cox

[X-Era]

There is a large size difference in Kiwi and Campbell, 3 inches and nearly 20 pounds. Also kiwi was a pass rush specialist in college and wasn't he injured his entire rookie year? And Campbell isnt supposed to be a stud pass rusher at the next level, he is supposed to be a great all around DE. Not just a pass rusher.

If your three inches taller, what happens to your center of gravity?

Is he too tall?

BTW, I hope you like propsect debate like I do. In the end I respect your opinion and I like the conversation.

[R. Rich]

Is he too tall?


No. That was Ed Jones.

[DraftBoy]

If your three inches taller, what happens to your center of gravity?

Is he too tall?

BTW, I hope you like propsect debate like I do. In the end I respect your opinion and I like the conversation.


Of course I do, and I respect your opinion, feel free to browse my rankings of the top 10 seniors at every posistion in the Scouting Zone and post if you disagree or agree.

[X-Era]

Of course I do, and I respect your opinion, feel free to browse my rankings of the top 10 seniors at every posistion in the Scouting Zone and post if you disagree or agree.

You dodged the question though, moving your center of gravity up may make you easier to block, higher center of gravity means easier time getting leverage.

[Earthquake Enyart]

If your three inches taller, what happens to your center of gravity?

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It moves up an inch and a half.