Are we seriously calling for JP to be benched after 1 game?

[THATHURMANATOR]

Seriously? :shakeno: :ill: :rolleyes:

Well its not like we were playing the #1 CB tandem in the league... Oh wait....

[RedEyE]

It looks like some people feel that way Thurm.

I have to say though that it's pretty damn hard not to judge when you see young guys like Romo blasting the ball through the air for 4 tds.

[Mr. Pink]

Again, it's not based on one game...it's based on his entire body of work.

People fail to realize that.

Hell, Charlie Frye got benched after 1 quarter and is reportedly on his way out of Cleveland.

[OpIv37]

to be fair, JP's had more than one game. It was his 25th start.

But I agree- it's too early to be discussing this.

[HAMMER]

Look for a change at the bye week if we have one win or less.

[Earthquake Enyart]

Well, Pittsburgh and the Pats are no slouches either.

The tell of the tape will be the Jets in week 4.

[TacklingDummy]

I don't want to see Edwards any sooner than Dec. 9 against the Fins.

[Elminster]

to be fair, JP's had more than one game. It was his 25th start.

But I agree- it's too early to be discussing this.
And people seem to forget that some of those recent games have been pretty good...and there are successful comebacks amongst them. It'll take a good while for me to forget that...

[The last buffalo fan]

This is a "team sport", right? I don't know man about it, but I'm first a Bills fan than a Losman's fan. I like Losman alot, and I'm willing to give the guy all the time he needs/wants, but it could be too long too much. If DJ and Fairchild want to open the book for him, the time is now. :gobills:

[TacklingDummy]

And people seem to forget that some of those recent games have been pretty good...and there are successful comebacks amongst them. It'll take a good while for me to forget that...

Can you post the stats. for JPs last 3 games? Thanks.

[BAM]

Way too early.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Again, it's not based on one game...it's based on his entire body of work.

People fail to realize that.

Hell, Charlie Frye got benched after 1 quarter and is reportedly on his way out of Cleveland.
I totally realize this. He had a good year last season..

[The Answer]

Look at the QB's that have been in this league the same amount of time as Losman, and have less game experience under their belt:

Romo, Cutler, and Vince Young in particular - these guys are getting it done and performing at a high level, Losman is not.

At some point you have to acknowledge the obvious.

~The Answer

[The Answer]

Can you post the stats. for JPs 3 last games? Thanks.

TD - allow The Answer to do it for you since he already posted it yesterday:

12/24/07 - Home against the Titans:

1 TD, 2 Int's, 3 sacks, 68.5 QB rating

12/31/07 - At the Ravens:

1 TD, 2 Int's 3 sacks, 63.6 QB rating

09/09/07: Home against the Broncos

0 TD, 1 Int, 2 sacks, 57 QB rating


~The Answer

[THATHURMANATOR]

Look at the QB's that have been in this league the same amount of time as Losman, and have less game experience under their belt:

Romo, Cutler, and Vince Young in particular - these guys are getting it done and performing at a high level, Losman is not.

At some point you have to acknowledge the obvious.

~The Answer
LOL... Vince Young looked fantastic Sunday... 78 yards!!!! :rolleyes:

[THATHURMANATOR]

TD - allow The Answer to do it for you since he already posted it yesterday:

12/24/07 - Home against the Titans:

1 TD, 2 Int's, 3 sacks, 68.5 QB rating

12/31/07 - At the Ravens:

1 TD, 2 Int's 3 sacks, 63.6 QB rating

09/09/07: Home against the Broncos

0 TD, 1 Int, 2 sacks, 57 QB rating


~The Answer

Give me the 5 previous to that....

[The Answer]

LOL... Vince Young looked fantastic Sunday... 78 yards!!!! :rolleyes:

Bottom line - VY just wins football games.

So stats are deceiving in this case - dude is a BALLA!

~The Answer

[cocamide]

Well, Pittsburgh and the Pats are no slouches either.

The tell of the tape will be the Jets in week 4.

So, we're supposed to judge our players by how they play against weak competition?

[The Answer]

Give me the 5 previous to that....

What does that matter?

We are talking about recent history - this is a 'what have you done for me lately' league - and Losman quite frankly has done nothing for The Answer except reinforce the theory he is a bust and needs to be benched for Trent 'The Real Deal' Edwards.

~The Answer

[THATHURMANATOR]

What does that matter?

We are talking about recent history - this is a 'what have you done for me lately' league - and Losman quite frankly has done nothing for The Answer except reinforce the theory he is a bust and needs to be benched for Trent 'The Real Deal' Edwards.

~The Answer

What does the previous 3 matter then?

[Devin]

Well, Pittsburgh and the Pats are no slouches either.

The tell of the tape will be the Jets in week 4.

I agree. I think as soon as week 4 or 5 we will have an idea of what we will have this season with Losman.

[PECKERWOOD]

From my observations, I think that the general consensus around here is that JP is on a shortened leash and if he doesn't make things click by midway through the season then he will be benched in favor of Edwards. I don't think anybody with half a brain would call for Losman to be benched right away.

[THATHURMANATOR]

From my observations, I think that the general consensus around here is that JP is on a shortened leash and if he doesn't make things click by midway through the season then he will be benched in favor of Edwards. I don't think anybody with half a brain would call for Losman to be benched right away.
Agreed but there appears to be a bunch of half brains here..... :ill:

[Yasgur's Farm]

The 3 previous to the last 3...

62%, 7.6 yds/att, 9.9 td%, 2.8 int%, 106.6 passer rating

Hell we should be able to pick any 3 consecutive games to fortify our point.

Chooches!

[Mr. Pink]

Alright here's a backup QB in this league's last 5 starts...Maybe he should still start too...why doesn't he? Because he's not good enough. Other organizations realize when to move on on players, but not us.

att com yards % YPA long TD INT Rating
<table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="oddrow" align="right"><td>19</td> <td>27</td> <td>253</td> <td>70.4</td> <td>9.37</td> <td>34</td> <td>3</td> <td>0</td> <td>
</td> <td>136.8</td> <td>
</td></tr></tbody></table><table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="evenrow" align="right"><td>24</td> <td>34</td> <td>289</td> <td>70.6</td> <td>8.50</td> <td>47</td> <td>3</td> <td>1</td> <td>
</td> <td>113.5</td> <td>
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</td><td style="vertical-align: top;">
</td><td style="vertical-align: top;">
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</td><td style="vertical-align: top;">
</td></tr></tbody></table><table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="oddrow" align="right"><td>15</td> <td>36</td> <td>151</td> <td>41.7</td> <td>4.19</td> <td>31</td> <td>0</td> <td>2</td> <td>
</td> <td>31.1</td></tr></tbody></table><table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="evenrow" align="right"><td>17</td> <td>31</td> <td>226</td> <td>54.8</td> <td>7.29</td> <td>62</td> <td>3</td> <td>1</td> <td>
</td> <td>97.0</td></tr></tbody></table><table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="oddrow" align="right"><td>13</td> <td>21</td> <td>238</td> <td>61.9</td> <td>11.33</td> <td>77</td> <td>2</td> <td>1</td> <td>
</td> <td>112.8</td> <td>
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4 of this guy's last 5 starts have been pretty good...better than JPs actually. And he STILL isn't an NFL starter. Who do you think it is? by the way this team also signed an OLD beaten down injury prone player to replace him as starter. And, oh, this QB also only had about 30 starts prior to being replaced.

These 5 games he showed more than JP did in his 25 or so starts. Yet we still are under the belief that he's good enough? Why? It's about that time to move on from yet another TD blunder.

[Earthquake Enyart]

Thing of it is, is that we are looking down the barrel of 2 more lousy games against Pittsburgh and the Pats.

[TacklingDummy]

The 3 previous to the last 3...

62%, 7.6 yds/att, 9.9 td%, 2.8 int%, 106.6 passer rating

Hell we should be able to pick any 3 consecutive games to fortify our point.

Chooches!

How did JPs first 4 games go in 2005? A reverse of his last 4.

[LtBillsFan66]

Thing of it is, is that we are looking down the barrel of 2 more lousy games against Pittsburgh and the Pats.
Top QBs rise to the challenge.

[TacklingDummy]

Alright here's a backup QB in this league's last 5 starts...Maybe he should still start too...why doesn't he? Because he's not good enough. Other organizations realize when to move on on players, but not us.




Who is it? 11 TDs, 5 Ints, over the last 5 games is not bad.

[casdhf]

JP's been at his best when they take the leash off him. I don't understand why they put it back on.

[patmoran2006]

Well, Pittsburgh and the Pats are no slouches either.

The tell of the tape will be the Jets in week 4.
Idont want a QB who will only play good against bad teams

[TacklingDummy]

Idont want a QB who will only play good against bad teams

You mean teams like the Dolphins and Texans?

Then JP is not your guy.

[Earthquake Enyart]

JP's been at his best when they take the leash off him. I don't understand why they put it back on.
Champ Bailey, Dre Bly and two safeties 20 yards off of the line of scrimmage.

[Mr. Pink]

Who is it? 11 TDs, 5 Ints, over the last 5 games is not bad.


If you watched the Ravens-Bengals game you got to watch him and his ineptness firsthand while trying to rally the Ravens to victory!

It's none other than JP Boller...errr Kyle Losman...dammit, Kyle Boller.

[justasportsfan]

You mean teams like the Dolphins and Texans?

Then JP is not your guy.
If you're gonna bash JP at least get it right. The fins D was tops in the league. You might want to use a different team.

[The Answer]

JP's been at his best when they take the leash off him. I don't understand why they put it back on.

Because he's a turnover machine and the coaches have no faith in him.

~The Answer

[NorthCarBills]

Seriously? :shakeno: :ill: :rolleyes:

Well its not like we were playing the #1 CB tandem in the league... Oh wait....

Agree...it's a totally ridiculous thought. The biggest problem Sunday was the offensive play calling.

I would like to know, however, what type of freedom JP has in terms of audibles and changing the plays himself.

[justasportsfan]

Because he's a turnover machine and the coaches have no faith in him.

~The Answer
How's The clipboard holder Holcomb doing these days? How was his first week? Did he flip that page fast enough?

[The Answer]

Thing of it is, is that we are looking down the barrel of 2 more lousy games against Pittsburgh and the Pats.

Still not going to fly as an excuse though - win or lose (and we'll probably lose both) Losman is going to have to play solid and put up numbers to hold off the Trent Edwards hype machine from gaining momentum.

Sadly even if he plays well might be enough - all about wins and losses at this point and when your career record is 8 - 17 the leash gets shorter and shorter.

~The Answer

[The Answer]

How's The clipboard holder Holcomb doing these days? How was his first week? Did he flip that page fast enough?

He's still a better QB than Losman - and on a team that won their opening game decisively.

~The Answer

[justasportsfan]

He's still a better QB than Losman - and on a team that won their opening game decisively.

~The Answer I heard his arm got tired after the 5th page.

[THATHURMANATOR]

He's still a better QB than Losman - and on a team that won their opening game decisively.

~The Answer
I was going to seriously reply to this but I started thinking this poster name and identity is fake and just trying to flame the board anyways so why bother.

[Earthquake Enyart]

I was going to seriously reply to this but I started thinking this poster name and identity is fake and just trying to flame the board anyways so why bother.
I was going to seriously reply to this but I started thinking this poster name and identity is fake and just trying to flame the board anyways so why bother.

[Luisito23]

Bottom line - VY just wins football games.

So stats are deceiving in this case - dude is a BALLA!

~The Answer




Plus this is only his second season, and first full year as a starter......Can they say the same of JP???....





GO BILLS!!!!!!

[SABURZFAN]

Again, it's not based on one game...it's based on his entire body of work.

People fail to realize that.

Hell, Charlie Frye got benched after 1 quarter and is reportedly on his way out of Cleveland.


Frye got traded to Seattle.

[SABURZFAN]

Give me the 5 previous to that....


let's start last season with the first 7 games then. :rolleyes:

[HHURRICANE]

Seriously? :shakeno: :ill: :rolleyes:

Well its not like we were playing the #1 CB tandem in the league... Oh wait....

Benching him after one game is beyond stupid. However, he better play pretty well in his next 4 games or he is finished as a starter.

[Michael82]

Bottom line - VY just wins football games.

So stats are deceiving in this case - dude is a BALLA!

~The Answer
So, does that mean that Chris Brown's 175 yards had nothing to do with the win? :shocked: :rolleyes:

[HHURRICANE]

So, does that mean that Chris Brown's 175 yards had nothing to do with the win? :shocked: :rolleyes:

Mikey, I just saw that you groaned me for giving JP to the bye. How long do you think we should give him? I'm not ready to bench him but really what is fair? I'm asking you legitimately.

I'm a JP fan like you but I can't see him lasting past the bye if his performance doesn't improve quickly.

[Michael82]

Mikey, I just saw that you groaned me for giving JP to the bye. How long do you think we should give him? I'm not ready to bench him but really what is fair? I'm asking you legitimately.

I'm a JP fan like you but I can't see him lasting past the bye if his performance doesn't improve quickly.
The bye is wayy too early to end the JP Losman experiment IMO! Especially when you consider who those opponents are....

Denver (Champ Bailey and Dre Bly)
Pittsburgh (still one of the toughest Defenses in the league)
New England (It's in freaking NE! Come on!)
NY Jets (I expect a good showing from Losman in this game)
Dallas (their secondary is overrated. Plus it's at home and on national television. I see him doing well)


IMO, we have to give him 8-10 weeks before we can decide whether we want to give up on him or not. Because if you do bench him for Edwards...that's it. You are now throwing Losman to the curb and will be taking some lumps with Edwards and basically just pushed the playoff push back for another year or two. Hell, Kellen Clemens just showed in the game on Sunday how much different the regular season is compared to the preseason. He looked horrible!

[HHURRICANE]

The bye is wayy too early to end the JP Losman experiment IMO! Especially when you consider who those opponents are....

Denver (Champ Bailey and Dre Bly)
Pittsburgh (still one of the toughest Defenses in the league)
New England (It's in freaking NE! Come on!)
NY Jets (I expect a good showing from Losman in this game)
Dallas (their secondary is overrated. Plus it's at home and on national television. I see him doing well)


IMO, we have to give him 8-10 weeks before we can decide whether we want to give up on him or not. Because if you do bench him for Edwards...that's it. You are now throwing Losman to the curb and will be taking some lumps with Edwards and basically just pushed the playoff push back for another year or two. Hell, Kellen Clemens just showed in the game on Sunday how much different the regular season is compared to the preseason. He looked horrible!

I agree that the schedule is brutal but the playoffs are still the goal for every team in the league at this point, including the Buffalo Bills. Letting JP take his lumps was for last year. I can't see him surviving the coaching staff, fans, and teammates past the bye. IMO.

[THATHURMANATOR]

I have had enough of this crap really. Get rid of him already.

[Earthquake Enyart]

I have had enough of this crap really. Get rid of him already.
The fact that we are still arguing about this after 3 years, shouldn't that tell us something?

[LtBillsFan66]

I'm not necessarily calling for JP to get benched. Just please spare me the excuses. JP needs to seriously step up and earn his spot. Yes against the Steelers. Yes against the Pats. Right now, Edwards is the QB of the future in my eyes. He's smart, so I'm confident he's using this time wisely.

[justasportsfan]

The fact that we are still arguing about this after 3 years, shouldn't that tell us something?
yeah, we need to ship Jauron back to Chicago.

[HHURRICANE]

The fact that we are still arguing about this after 3 years, shouldn't that tell us something?

In fairness, Drew Bress sucked for 3 years. QB is the toughest position to evaluate.

Remember when fans wanted to start Frank Reich over Kelly. Jim Kelly!!!

[THATHURMANATOR]

Cut JP. I can't stand it anymore.

[Mr. Pink]

Cut JP. I can't stand it anymore.

If Charlie Frye can get a 6th round pick...I'm sure Losman can get a 5th!

Think higher Corey!

[Novacane]

I don't want him benched yet. Give him the majority of the season . All but the diehards will want him benched by then. His occasional long TD passes will keep them believing until the bitter end.

[THATHURMANATOR]

If Charlie Frye can get a 6th round pick...I'm sure Losman can get a 5th!

Think higher Corey!
Just get rid of him already.

[ddaryl]

JP will get the majority of the seaosn to work it out... regardless of outcome.

The Bills will not put Edwards in this year. At the minimum week 15 and all of ya's are going ot have to accept this as fact... they ain't switchin.

[HHURRICANE]

yeah, we need to ship Jauron back to Chicago.

I hope this is sarcastic. Dick Jauron, for all of his flaws, is the best coach we've had in 10 years. We don't have alot of talent and we almost won a game against a tough opponent.

[YardRat]

JP's the starter. It's his position to lose.

[The King]

Chris McCallister and Samari Rolle are pretty good... How did Carson Palmer do?

[justasportsfan]

I hope this is sarcastic. Dick Jauron, for all of his flaws, is the best coach we've had in 10 years. We don't have alot of talent and we almost won a game against a tough opponent.
Na, the entire team sucks, . Fans are impatient .might as well rebuild again.

[Philagape]

I hope this is sarcastic. Dick Jauron, for all of his flaws, is the best coach we've had in 10 years. We don't have alot of talent and we almost won a game against a tough opponent.

The word almost can kiss my arse and go lay in a field with the rest of the turds. I'm sick of almost. Almost sucks.

[The Answer]

So, does that mean that Chris Brown's 175 yards had nothing to do with the win? :shocked: :rolleyes:

MVP players make everybody else around them better.

Do you think Chris Brown would have put up those numbers in Buffalo had we signed him especially with Losman as the QB?

~The Answer

[The Answer]

The bye is wayy too early to end the JP Losman experiment IMO! Especially when you consider who those opponents are....

Denver (Champ Bailey and Dre Bly)
Pittsburgh (still one of the toughest Defenses in the league)
New England (It's in freaking NE! Come on!)
NY Jets (I expect a good showing from Losman in this game)
Dallas (their secondary is overrated. Plus it's at home and on national television. I see him doing well)


IMO, we have to give him 8-10 weeks before we can decide whether we want to give up on him or not. Because if you do bench him for Edwards...that's it. You are now throwing Losman to the curb and will be taking some lumps with Edwards and basically just pushed the playoff push back for another year or two. Hell, Kellen Clemens just showed in the game on Sunday how much different the regular season is compared to the preseason. He looked horrible!

Kellen Clemens isn't Trent 'The Franchise' Edwards so it really don't matter - in fact there's a very large talent discrepency between the two.

~The Answer