The one thing that nobody has talked about since the opener

**patmoran2006** · 09-12-2007, 08:49 PM

Re: The one thing that nobody has talked about since the opener

I thought Tripplett came on the second half and McCargo had the sack.

But from the opening whistle, Kyle Williams looked like he belonged playing in high school-- he was THAT BAD, literally.

**Nighthawk** · 09-12-2007, 08:52 PM

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JP should be given more time and the support of the OC with a good gameplan. IMO, JP is much more suited to an open gameplan where he can fling the ball around and the coaches refuse to do that. I'd love to see this team live and die flinging the ball around and making it entertaining instead of play this "don't lose" football.

**Mad Bomber** · 09-12-2007, 08:59 PM

Re: The one thing that nobody has talked about since the opener

Originally posted by patmoran2006

I thought Tripplett came on the second half and McCargo had the sack.

That sack was when Cutler ran to the outside and was forced back toward the middle of the field. McCargo just happened to be there. It wasnt a pressure sack. He was out of the play until Cutler ran back into his arms.

Our D-line was the weakest part of the entire game IMHO.

That, plus the fact that our defensive coordinator NEVER tried to adjust to Denver's offensive game plan based on hitting quick slants. They did it time after time, and we never adjusted. On 4th and 2, they hit a quick slant...our CBs were 5-8 yds off the line of scrimmage...no bumps. Our CBs were routinely one step behind the Broncos receivers on slant after slant after slant after slant, to the tune of >300 yds passing, with no big pass plays.

**OpIv37** · 09-12-2007, 09:00 PM

Re: The one thing that nobody has talked about since the opener

Originally posted by Mad Bomber

When you see a DE making a tackle from behind 10-15 yards down the field, it's not a good sign.

I'm disappointed in you, Mad. You've been around long enough to see the homer spin. A DE making a tackle 15 yards past the line of scrimmage is a GOOD thing because it means he hustled and never gave up on the play. It means he has HEART. I know he's not good enough to make the play at the LOS, or at least disrupt it so the LB can make the play, but skill is irrelevant when a player is high-character and determined.

And expecting the D to stop the run? We play a Cover 2- we don't stop the run. What do you think this is- a Patriots board?

**patmoran2006** · 09-12-2007, 09:02 PM

Re: The one thing that nobody has talked about since the opener

Originally posted by Mad Bomber

That sack was when Cutler ran to the outside and was forced back toward the middle of the field. McCargo just happened to be there. It wasnt a pressure sack. He was out of the play until Cutler ran back into his arms.

Our D-line was the weakest part of the entire game IMHO.

That, plus the fact that our defensive coordinator NEVER tried to adjust to Denver's offensive game plan based on hitting quick slants. They did it time after time, and we never adjusted. On 4th and 2, they hit a quick slant...our CBs were 5-8 yds off the line of scrimmage...no bumps. Our CBs were routinely one step behind the Broncos receivers on slant after slant after slant after slant, to the tune of >300 yds passing, with no big pass plays.

Oh I dont disagree with you. The DT's were terrible as a whole.

But Kyle Williams is the BIG CONCERN.. He's the true "nose" tackle and doesnt have an able backup. He got pushed around like a little girl Sunday and that's not encouraging.

He's escaped most people's mind because of Everett, Losman and the head coach this week.. But he was as bad as anybody on that roster. I still havent figured out why he had 95 on with no name on the back yet either.

**jpdex12** · 09-12-2007, 10:47 PM

Re: The one thing that nobody has talked about since the opener

Originally posted by OpIv37

I'm disappointed in you, Mad. You've been around long enough to see the homer spin. A DE making a tackle 15 yards past the line of scrimmage is a GOOD thing because it means he hustled and never gave up on the play. It means he has HEART. I know he's not good enough to make the play at the LOS, or at least disrupt it so the LB can make the play, but skill is irrelevant when a player is high-character and determined.

And expecting the D to stop the run? We play a Cover 2- we don't stop the run. What do you think this is- a Patriots board?

Rightfully so, we lost another game that we could have won if more than a few plays would have gone the other way. Denver, a team that some picked to be a super bowl contender only snuck out with a last minute win and they certainly could have given up the win on a fair amount of plays that they screwed up, but I wonder what kind of negative crap you and PM could come up with if we would have opened up against the defending champs, Indy and beat them 142 - 0 and held them to -60 yards rushing and -120 yards passing? I bet you two would post some negative digs on the Bills if we won the friggin super bowl for chri*t sake!

**The Answer** · 09-12-2007, 11:05 PM

Re: The one thing that nobody has talked about since the opener

Originally posted by Mad Bomber

People have been *****ing about JP ad nauseum...

I was at the game on Sunday, and the thing that I noticed most was the thing that Op has been *****ing about (rightfully so)...

Our D-line got pushed around big time. We got very little pressure on Cutler for a line that is supposed to be a big-time pass rush D. Schobel did make some plays on pass plays, but we got schooled in the running game.

Our D line was getting pushed back routinely on running plays, and our entire defense overpursued on virtually every running play. Denver was eating us up on misdirection plays. The cutback lanes weren't even "lanes"...half the field was wide open.

When you see a DE making a tackle from behind 10-15 yards down the field, it's not a good sign.

When Jim Leonhard makes double-digit tackles in a game, it's not a good sign...those tackles are 10-15 yards past the line of scrimmage.

The Dline hasn't been discussed because most of us pretty much expected this to be the case - getting ran over and out muscled on a weekly basis.

We have no pash rush and Schobel is going to get double teamed on a regular basis unless somebody can step to the plate - the question is do we have anybody on the roster that's capable of doing that? Nope.

~The Answer

**duhbilz** · 09-13-2007, 03:08 AM

Re: The one thing that nobody has talked about since the opener

Originally posted by jpdex12

Rightfully so, we lost another game that we could have won if more than a few plays would have gone the other way. Denver, a team that some picked to be a super bowl contender only snuck out with a last minute win and they certainly could have given up the win on a fair amount of plays that they screwed up, but I wonder what kind of negative crap you and PM could come up with if we would have opened up against the defending champs, Indy and beat them 142 - 0 and held them to -60 yards rushing and -120 yards passing? I bet you two would post some negative digs on the Bills if we won the friggin super bowl for chri*t sake!

Who's picking Denver to win the SB with Cutler starting? I don't think I've read any hype about Denver this year.

**shelby** · 09-13-2007, 04:22 AM

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This was one game, i am not prepared to push the panic button and flush the season yet. Right now we are struggling with injuries. The next few weeks won't be easy. Any signs of progress in a positive direction would be wonderful.

i'm not saying that i expect miracles, because i don't, but our team has a lot of motivation to go out and play to the best of their ability. Let's see how they perform in week 2.

**DraftBoy** · 09-13-2007, 07:26 AM

Re: The one thing that nobody has talked about since the opener

Originally posted by The Answer

The Dline hasn't been discussed because most of us pretty much expected this to be the case - getting ran over and out muscled on a weekly basis.

We have no pash rush and Schobel is going to get double teamed on a regular basis unless somebody can step to the plate - the question is do we have anybody on the roster that's capable of doing that? Nope.

~The Answer

He is pretty much right about why it hasnt been discussed. Because sadly the Dline played up to expectations. I dont agree we dont have a pass rush because I dont think you'll find anybody who wont contend that Kelsay is a good pass rusher, unfortunately both he and Schobel struggle in stopping the run.

**mybills** · 09-13-2007, 07:32 AM

Re: The one thing that nobody has talked about since the opener

They didn't do too bad in the red zone.

**don137** · 09-13-2007, 07:33 AM

Re: The one thing that nobody has talked about since the opener

I agree and have commented that it is not a good thing when a safety leads in tackles. That means the DL and linebackers are being pushed off the ball and can't make the play. The DL is suppose to hold their ground and let the LBs make the play around the line of scrimmage.
I agree about Williams. He's 300 lbs of heart but no talent. The whole line needs to play better.

**djjimkelly** · 09-13-2007, 07:33 AM

Re: The one thing that nobody has talked about since the opener

Originally posted by Nighthawk

JP should be given more time and the support of the OC with a good gameplan. IMO, JP is much more suited to an open gameplan where he can fling the ball around and the coaches refuse to do that. I'd love to see this team live and die flinging the ball around and making it entertaining instead of play this "don't lose" football.

couldnt have said it better myself this coaching staff seem to approach a 3 point lead like other staffs approach a 40 point lead

**LtBillsFan66** · 09-13-2007, 07:57 AM

Re: The one thing that nobody has talked about since the opener

You didn't see my "Did Shoebel even suit up" thread?

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