More speculation on how else the Patriots cheated...

[jpdex12]

Not only were they breaking rules by taping other teams signal calling but they may have broken more rules and used mics in their defensive players helmets (if I have heard this correctly).

Goodell said he will drop the hammer even more if the Patriots didn't completely come clean.

No link, just spoke with a friend about this today.

Has anyone else heard more on this and if so, what other penalties should NE face?

4 game suspension for BB and another first round pick forfeited? I wonder if BB's incomplete honesty with Goodell like Mike Vick will get him a more severe penalty.

Thoughts?

[OpIv37]

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I heard the announcers talking about it during the game last night, so there are additional accusations. They involve putting mics in the helmets of D-linemen so the other teams' audibles could be recorded and analyzed.

I think the Patriots should lose all of their first day picks and Bellicheck should be given a 4 game suspension, and they should both be hit with the max fine again.

[njsue]

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I predict that Mr. Kraft will buy out Bellyaches contract and ask him to step down.

Mr. Kraft wants to run clean organization.

[Dont drink the water]

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Negative. He is extending him.

[Coach Sal]

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If Commissioner Goodell finds out Bill B. lied to him, the hammer will certainly come down.

It's one thing to violate rules.

But Goodell has made it clear that he expects people who do to be upfront and truthful when confronted about it.

[jpdex12]

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I heard the announcers talking about it during the game last night, so there are additional accusations. They involve putting mics in the helmets of D-linemen so the other teams' audibles could be recorded and analyzed.

I think the Patriots should lose all of their first day picks and Bellicheck should be given a 4 game suspension, and they should both be hit with the max fine again.

I didn't catch that! Holy ****! Talk about really breaking the rules.

That's rediculous. How much more have the Patriots cheated in ways like this to get an edge? I wonder. That is BS. This in my opinion is no different then someone fixing a game because if these cheating accusations are true then I guarentee you that even though the Patriots are a great team, this has altered the results of more than one game and think of how many people have bet on games and lost because of the significance of this situation.

I wonder if the mafia can do some research on this to see if in fact their gambling parleys have lost big money as a result of this and put a hit out on BB. Then Goodell won't have to suspend him and we will have a better chance of beating them this year even if JP throws for 97 yards...well, maybe not.

[DarbyTheDinosaur]

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It's all hearsay at this point...however, if it is true and the Pats were doing more, then Bellichek should be fined and banned for life and Patsies should lose all day one picks. Goddell should send the message to America's children that cheaters never prosper.

[OpIv37]

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It's all hearsay at this point...however, if it is true and the Pats were doing more, then Bellichek should be fined and banned for life and Patsies should lose all day one picks. Goddell should send the message to America's children that cheaters never prosper.

from the beginning of this whole thing last year, the Pats were accused of using additional radio frequencies- beyond what is legally allowed by the NFL. It's hardly a smoking gun, but recording audibles is certainly something that could be done with the additional frequencies.

[HHURRICANE]

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Negative. He is extending him.

Bob Kraft extended him so that he could buy Bill's silence. Bob Kraft comes out squeekly clean and Bill walks away with millions and a book tour.

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I think the cheating thing is way overblown. The guy would have kicked everyone's asses anyways.

It's like my business, I could hand my buying customer list to the crappy salespeople and they still couldn't get the business.

Was it wrong? Yes. Does it really change things? No.

[Ickybaluky]

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The latest rumor is Bill Belichick was actually the 20th hijacker. I bet Goodall comes down hard on him for that.

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The latest rumor is Bill Belichick was actually the 20th hijacker. I bet Goodall comes down hard on him for that.

New England is going to win it all this year. They are that good and you should be pumped.

However, don't act like BB is sqeeky clean and a victim here.

The thing I would be scared about is that the whole team was acting like it was going to be Bellichek's last game or something. That was a little weird.

By the way, he was definately the second shooter on the grassy knoll.

[jpdex12]

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I think the cheating thing is way overblown. The guy would have kicked everyone's asses anyways.

It's like my business, I could hand my buying customer list to the crappy salespeople and they still couldn't get the business.

Was it wrong? Yes. Does it really change things? No.

I have to disagree. The cheating thing is not overblown. We all know that it can take one play to lose a game or win a game. If it was one play that the Patriots could have discovered that the opposing offense audibled into and they recognized the call from their d linemen's radio mics or from videotaping signals and it changed the outcome of the game then we have all been cheated from knowing what really would have happend if the competitive advantage was never achieved.

I heard during lunch today on ESPN that Mangini was the one that blew BB in last year because Mangini knew about what BB was doing and that is why Mangini and BB had the falling out last year. Mangini was trying to not start a massive controversy but it has gone too far. Mangini was coming forward with the d linemen mic thing and also the videotaping.

If the NE d linemen were carrying mics in their helmets to pick up audibles so the Patsies could compare that to the signal calling that they were videotaping then they could crack the signals sent in by the other team from the NE sideline and so could the players on the field.

If BB didn't come clean with everything then Goodell must hang him by his balls to make an example. IF he wants to clean up this league then we will see additional penalties.

One can say that it is only hearsay but If Mangini is coming forward with complaints from their first game this year then this is true. Especially if the league is already hitting NE with penalties for just videotaping. This isn't over yet!

[HHURRICANE]

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I have to disagree. The cheating thing is not overblown. We all know that it can take one play to lose a game or win a game. If it was one play that the Patriots could have discovered that the opposing offense audibled into and they recognized the call from their d linemen's radio mics or from videotaping signals and it changed the outcome of the game then we have all been cheated from knowing what really would have happend if the competitive advantage was never achieved.

I heard during lunch today on ESPN that Mangini was the one that blew BB in last year because Mangini knew about what BB was doing and that is why Mangini and BB had the falling out last year. Mangini was trying to not start a massive controversy but it has gone too far. Mangini was coming forward with the d linemen mic thing and also the videotaping.

If the NE d linemen were carrying mics in their helmets to pick up audibles so the Patsies could compare that to the signal calling that they were videotaping then they could crack the signals sent in by the other team from the NE sideline and so could the players on the field.

If BB didn't come clean with everything then Goodell must hang him by his balls to make an example. IF he wants to clean up this league then we will see additional penalties.

One can say that it is only hearsay but If Mangini is coming forward with complaints from their first game this year then this is true. Especially if the league is already hitting NE with penalties for just videotaping. This isn't over yet!

This is a good post. I think my point is that he didn't need to do it to win. Nixon was going to win the election without "watergate."

I'm not saying what he did was wrong but even John Madden knows that Bellichek is one hell of a coach.

[Billz_fan]

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New England is going to win it all this year. They are that good and you should be pumped.

However, don't act like BB is sqeeky clean and a victim here.

The thing I would be scared about is that the whole team was acting like it was going to be Bellichek's last game or something. That was a little weird.

By the way, he was definately the second shooter on the grassy knoll.

I Knew it !!!