The problem isnt JP

**OpIv37** · 09-17-2007, 10:57 AM

Re: The problem isnt JP

you forgot a word in your title. It should say "The problem isn't ONLY JP".

Right now, he's one of many problems.

**OpIv37** · 09-17-2007, 11:00 AM

Re: The problem isnt JP

And if we beat the Pats and JP throws for 300 yards, this is what should happen: people should stop calling for Edwards immediately but JP should still be on a short leash. He's had good games before. The only way he's going to convince me at this point is if he puts forth a solid effort in 5-6 straight games. It doesn't have to be 300 yards every time- 200 yards with more TD's than TO's would be just fine.

**DarbyTheDinosaur** · 09-17-2007, 11:20 AM

Re: The problem isnt JP

Originally posted by OpIv37

And if we beat the Pats and JP throws for 300 yards, this is what should happen: people should stop calling for Edwards immediately but JP should still be on a short leash. He's had good games before. The only way he's going to convince me at this point is if he puts forth a solid effort in 5-6 straight games. It doesn't have to be 300 yards every time- 200 yards with more TD's than TO's would be just fine.

Agreed on the short leash comment...he does deserve one.

But following your solid effort in 5-6 games logic...did he convince you at the end of last year?

@HOU: 26/38, 340 yds, 3 TD, 1 INT and a WIN
JAX: 21/28, 169 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT but still had a win (in fact, led a last minute drive)
SD: 21/37, 184 yds, 2 TD, 2 INT, 1 fumble and a loss...(again, another last minute drive but still had some mistakes)
@NYJ: 10/15, 157 yds, 2 TD, 0 INT and a win (Roethlisbergeresque...if that's a word)
MIA: 13/19, 200 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT and a win

There were five solid games in a row...of course, he's had four stinkers in a row since that would unravel any faith. But my point is, if we are to assume Losman can't get it done as an NFL QB, how does one explain those five games last year?
4-1 record, 10 TDs and 4 INTs.

**TacklingDummy** · 09-17-2007, 11:29 AM

Re: The problem isnt JP

Originally posted by DarbyTheDinosaur

There were five solid games in a row...of course, he's had four stinkers in a row since that would unravel any faith. But my point is, if we are to assume Losman can't get it done as an NFL QB, how does one explain those five games last year?
4-1 record, 10 TDs and 4 INTs.

Houston sucked
Miami sucked
Jags: Nothing special, Losman played like Holcomb in that game.
SD: 1 TD pass was setup by the Bills defense creating a turnover at the Chargers 19 yardline. The other TD came in garbage time.
Jets: Any QB in the NFL could have did what JP did that game.

There is more to stats. then just a number.

**DarbyTheDinosaur** · 09-17-2007, 11:35 AM

Re: The problem isnt JP

Originally posted by TacklingDummy

Houston sucked
Miami sucked
Jags: Nothing special, Losman played like Holcomb in that game.
SD: 1 TD pass was setup by the Bills defense creating a turnover at the Chargers 19 yardline. The other TD came in garbage time.
Jets: Any QB in the NFL could have did what JP did that game.

There is more to stats. then just a number.

you're right...but how do we assess the quality of his starts on a message board post in two minutes? I was just using the stats (mainly the W-L record) to display that he did have solid outings...regardless of the competition. I am not defending JP...I am not bashing JP...I guess I am trying to inject logic and rationale into these debates again. I am tired of the Bashers vs. Lickers arguments that are now only based on the poster's personal historical position...

**The last buffalo fan** · 09-17-2007, 11:35 AM

Re: The problem isnt JP

Originally posted by DarbyTheDinosaur

Agreed on the short leash comment...he does deserve one.

But following your solid effort in 5-6 games logic...did he convince you at the end of last year?

@HOU: 26/38, 340 yds, 3 TD, 1 INT and a WIN
JAX: 21/28, 169 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT but still had a win (in fact, led a last minute drive)
SD: 21/37, 184 yds, 2 TD, 2 INT, 1 fumble and a loss...(again, another last minute drive but still had some mistakes)
@NYJ: 10/15, 157 yds, 2 TD, 0 INT and a win (Roethlisbergeresque...if that's a word)
MIA: 13/19, 200 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT and a win

There were five solid games in a row...of course, he's had four stinkers in a row since that would unravel any faith. But my point is, if we are to assume Losman can't get it done as an NFL QB, how does one explain those five games last year?
4-1 record, 10 TDs and 4 INTs.

Those teams have above average Defenses, so I guess he is not that bad after all, huh?.

We are not winning, and of course it is not nice as a fan/season ticket holders, etc, but it is getting ridiculous now. Some posters are making this site a very boring place. Losman and Levy are not the only ones to blame here.

**HHURRICANE** · 09-17-2007, 11:43 AM

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Guys you can argue all you want but a bad perfromance in NE is all JP needs to be lining the bench.

The Bills aren't going to let him go 4 in a row.

**OpIv37** · 09-17-2007, 11:53 AM

Re: The problem isnt JP

Originally posted by DarbyTheDinosaur

Agreed on the short leash comment...he does deserve one.

But following your solid effort in 5-6 games logic...did he convince you at the end of last year?

@HOU: 26/38, 340 yds, 3 TD, 1 INT and a WIN
JAX: 21/28, 169 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT but still had a win (in fact, led a last minute drive)
SD: 21/37, 184 yds, 2 TD, 2 INT, 1 fumble and a loss...(again, another last minute drive but still had some mistakes)
@NYJ: 10/15, 157 yds, 2 TD, 0 INT and a win (Roethlisbergeresque...if that's a word)
MIA: 13/19, 200 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT and a win

There were five solid games in a row...of course, he's had four stinkers in a row since that would unravel any faith. But my point is, if we are to assume Losman can't get it done as an NFL QB, how does one explain those five games last year?
4-1 record, 10 TDs and 4 INTs.

I really thought he was going to be fine this year because of that stretch last year. Turns out I was wrong. I don't know why but for some reason he just can't seem to be consistent.

**ScottLawrence** · 09-17-2007, 12:00 PM

Re: The problem isnt JP

More like JP is the cause of most of our problems.

The man can't read and react and instead blames everyone else.

O-Line certainly isn't the problem, there opening up holes and giving JP tons of time and please don't give me this playcalling ****, its not Fairchild's fault Losman is one hopping 10 yards passes.

**The Answer** · 09-17-2007, 12:24 PM

Re: The problem isnt JP

Originally posted by mikemac2001

Its a team as a whole

Everyone except lynch has been a disappointment to me.

Play calling is so bad right now, We run run run and never even give our quick guys like roscoe or evans to make a play. ive seen 1 screen this season and we got about 14 yds from it USE lynch in the passing game Please

Our D has been getting torched in the air leonhard makes alot of tackles because he cant cover ****...our lb's look lost most of the time in pass coverage and our Dline is always late to the QB

JP has not looked sharp (im a huge jp guy) but his passes have been low or high and really hasnt made a throw yet that has impressed me. i dont think we give up on him week 2 when we did play 2 pretty solid d's

Oline is a little better mostly in the run game pass blocking seems suspect but we are mostly in obvious passing situations

TE's we dont have any hate Royal the only one i did like was KE because he gave us hope in the passing game....hopefully gaines can do something dont know to much about him tho

I could go on and On but im sick of seeing every post bashing JP

yes he is suppose to lead the team and yes im frustrated with his play but i dont think he is the reason why we are 0-2 there are alot of T.E dudes who just hate JP and want someone diff in

Bills beat Pats jp throws for 300 and then half the board will flip flop

The Answer agrees - this whole team is definitely a joke, but it all goes back to the QB and right now Losman is more hideous than ever.

Watching Loseman = pure horror

~The Answer

**DynaPaul** · 09-17-2007, 01:03 PM

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I say we give him until the half season mark. If he's still sucking after game 8 it's time to put the rookie in for his development.

**YardRat** · 09-17-2007, 02:10 PM

Re: The problem isnt JP

The problem at this point is that JP has regressed again, instead of improved. The five or six game run gave him a grace period for this year to a point, but for the third straight year he's fubared the first two games and I'm a little tired of waiting for after mid-season for a guy to hit his stride.

Starting out 1-4 every year and making a late run against garbage teams just doesn't cut it.

Face it...JP could take himself out of the 'play or bench?' discussions by simply performing adequately, regardless of what the team's record is. He needs to be an asset, not a detriment, to the team, and he has yet to prove he can be and his time is running out.

**The Spaz** · 09-17-2007, 02:23 PM

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Look what Derek "****ing" Anderson did! Nuff said.

**Michael82** · 09-17-2007, 02:30 PM

Re: The problem isnt JP

Originally posted by The Spaz

Look what Derek "****ing" Anderson did! Nuff said.

look what Kelly Holcomb did against the ****ing Bengals when he was with the Browns a few years ago. 'nuff said

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