The reality of the QB situation

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  • OpIv37
    Acid Douching Asswipe
    • Sep 2002
    • 101315

    The reality of the QB situation

    I have a lot of thoughts on this, so this thread may have a bit of a "stream of consciousness" feel to it, but I'll do my best to keep it coherent. Also, I feel the need to preface this by saying I want JP to do well, but not nearly as much as I want the Bills to win.

    In previous seasons, JP has shown flashes of brilliance but has struggled to be consistent and still makes incredibly stupid mistakes- every time he seems like he's past it, he does it again. The guy has the physical talent, but it seems like the game has yet to "slow down" for him.

    Through two games, he has performed horribly. No doubt he was hampered by play calls and poor performance by our wide receivers, but that's no excuse. He has missed wide open receivers, been slow with decision-making, and failed to feel the pressure. None of this can be blamed on anyone except JP himself.

    This puts us in a tough situation regarding QB. JP has yet to prove that he can be a consistent starter in the NFL, but he does show flashes of that ability (although he has yet to do it this year). How many games should he get (or any QB, for that matter) before we can say he doesn't have what it takes? The team would be much better off if JP could become the QB we need and save us from starting over with the QB grooming process, but at the same time, if JP isn't the guy, the sooner we re-start the process, the better off we'll be in the long run.

    So, the real question at this point: Would we be better off with Trent Edwards at QB? It's hard to imagine Edwards being much worse, but "not being worse" is different than being better. The receivers have struggled and the play calling has been horrendous. So far, Edwards did well against a bunch of scrubs in pre season, but hasn't proven himself against a real NFL D (he hasn't even had the opportunity). My concern would be that playing Edwards now would be throwing him to the wolves. In his book, Marv himself said QB's have to be groomed slowly, and playing a QB too soon can "shell shock" him and ruin a potentially good QB.

    JP is on a short leash- Bills nation seems to be in agreement on that. The difference comes on just how short that leash should be. My thoughts at the moment: Give JP his last shot until the bye. Open up the playbook- let him go downfield and use his speed (man, Fairchild is TERRIBLE at using JP's speed, but that's another issue). If JP turns the ball over and we lose, so what? We're losing anyway with this Holcomb-esque "dink and dunk" crap. Might as well take the chance.

    I think this solves two problems: 1. It opens up the offense and hopefully gets the rest of the offense going. This way, if Edwards does end up playing, we won't be throwing him to the wolves. 2. If JP is given every chance to make a play and still chokes, it will make it that much easier to pull him at the bye.

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  • Pride
    Registered User
    • Jul 2002
    • 10191

    #2
    Re: The reality of the QB situation

    100% agree

    It is too early for Edwards to start. I don't want to punish him for bad playcalling.

    Stop being afraid of being beat badly (we just experienced it last week, and will again this week) and let JP run HIS type of offense all day long. Let him audible out more often, let him run some no huddle.

    I firmly believe JP is a Rhythm QB. He needs to get into a rhythm, but when he does... he's unstoppable.

    Point in short... IMO it is Fairchilds fault we are where we are at this point. If Fairchild changes and nothing improves... then I will blame JP.

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    • Earthquake Enyart
      Legendary Zoner
      • Jul 2002
      • 27521

      #3
      Re: The reality of the QB situation

      JP has a pass until the bye.

      Then the JP era is over.

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      • patmoran2006
        Ole' Ralphie SCROOGE
        • Dec 2005
        • 19840

        #4
        Re: The reality of the QB situation

        Actually, the bad playcalling we're doing better suits Edwards' strengths than Losman's.

        So if we're not firing Fairchild right now, I actually think the opposite and as long as he's still OC the sooner we get Edwards in the better chance we have to win.


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        • deepslant
          Registered User
          • May 2007
          • 139

          #5
          Re: The reality of the QB situation

          Originally posted by patmoran2006
          Actually, the bad playcalling we're doing better suits Edwards' strengths than Losman's.

          So if we're not firing Fairchild right now, I actually think the opposite and as long as he's still OC the sooner we get Edwards in the better chance we have to win.
          Agreed. Either fire Fairchild and find someone who an "open it up" downfield OC or take advantage of Fairchild's one success with Bulger and try Edwards.

          Is the issue really "opening it up" or is it already opened up but JP is not looking past the first guy on the sideline 2 yards down field? They know by looking at the film. I don't.
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          • mybills
            81 st zoner
            • Jul 2002
            • 61717

            #6
            Re: The reality of the QB situation

            Originally posted by Pride
            100% agree

            It is too early for Edwards to start. I don't want to punish him for bad playcalling.

            Stop being afraid of being beat badly (we just experienced it last week, and will again this week) and let JP run HIS type of offense all day long. Let him audible out more often, let him run some no huddle.

            I firmly believe JP is a Rhythm QB. He needs to get into a rhythm, but when he does... he's unstoppable.

            Point in short... IMO it is Fairchilds fault we are where we are at this point. If Fairchild changes and nothing improves... then I will blame JP.
            Well said.
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            • The King
              Without me it's just Awe so
              • Jun 2004
              • 42380

              #7
              Re: The reality of the QB situation

              I dont think JP has ever shown brilliance. I think he has shown he has the competence to be an NFL starter. Nothing about the kid has screamed brilliant. Its just so inconsistant no one knows who the real JP is.
              I remember that one fateful day when Coach took me aside. I knew what was coming. "You don't have to tell me," I said. "I'm off the team, aren't I?"
              "Well," said Coach, "you never were really ON the team. You made that uniform you're wearing out of rags and towels, and your helmet is a toy space helmet.
              You show up at practice and then either steal the ball and make us chase you to get it back, or you try to tackle people at inappropriate times."
              It was all
              true what he was saying. And yet, I thought something is brewing inside the head of this Coach.
              He sees something in me, some kind of raw talent that he can
              mold. But that's when I felt the handcuffs go on.


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              • RedEyE
                Registered User
                • Jul 2002
                • 24661

                #8
                Re: The reality of the QB situation

                Nice thoughts Op. I have no problems agreeing with anything you said, though I differ on Fairchild's approach with JP. I think it's Dick that has the leash on Fairchild.

                Regardless, JP is a seasoned veteran now and there is no excuse for the type of play he's managed to provide this far into his career.

                I can't tell you how frustrating it is to watch QBs excelling around the league as Buffalo continues to gamble with Losman now. I understand potential and embracing opportunity, but when you see guys trouncing through the league like Schaub, Anderson, Romo, Smith, Rothlisberger, hell even Campbell getting the job done on a consitant basis in an A1 fashion, it makes me sick to my stomach.

                How long do you attempt to develop someone? At what point do you finally just throw in the towel and start again? As a fan for a very long time I have to say that I'm tired of deflated expecetations. This team should be competing in this league TODAY. Not drawing up the rear or close to last again and preparing to rebuild again tomorrow.

                Honestly, watching other teams around the league, this might be the worst team in the NFL right now. I know we've sustained some injuries on defense, but as a whole, no one else in the league is playing this poorly. Even with Mularkey and Man Boobs the team at least performed and had a shot at winning week after week. This is the first time in a long time that I honestly feel the Bills do not have a chance in hell at winning a game this season.

                Execution - poor. Coaching - poor. Once again the STs lead the charge. Do you realize that our return teams have more yards then the starting offense? Pitiful.

                Excuses should no longer be tolerated. I want to see changes from the coaching staff if nothing improves by the bye week.

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                • Philagape
                  WIN NOW
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 19432

                  #9
                  Re: The reality of the QB situation

                  Originally posted by patmoran2006
                  Actually, the bad playcalling we're doing better suits Edwards' strengths than Losman's.

                  So if we're not firing Fairchild right now, I actually think the opposite and as long as he's still OC the sooner we get Edwards in the better chance we have to win.
                  How many games will be lost because the playbook is designed for a different QB than the one who's starting?
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                  • Philagape
                    WIN NOW
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 19432

                    #10
                    Re: The reality of the QB situation

                    With the good games he's had before (last year he had more good games than bad), JP has earned the right to try to keep his job, and with opening up the playbook. If he succeeds using certain plays, then stick with those plays. He should stay in there until every conceivable solution, every play, is exhausted. Then no one can say the play-calling sabotaged him.
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                    • Mitchy moo
                      Roways rooking ahread!
                      • Sep 2005
                      • 18380

                      #11
                      Re: The reality of the QB situation

                      Originally posted by Philagape
                      How many games will be lost because the playbook is designed for a different QB than the one who's starting?
                      A question only the people allowing JP to play can answer. Right offense, wrong QB.

                      It's amazing that we take steps to improve the O-line and the RB and leave the QB position alone. The line is playing fine and giving JP more time, Lynch runs real hard and is a gamer and JP is clueless. Does this whole pattern seem a little confusing to you?? Me too.

                      Lose JP and put Edwards in to run a offense designed around his style.

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                      • Gunzlingr
                        Registered User
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 45976

                        #12
                        Re: The reality of the QB situation

                        No matter what happens, when JP leaves Buffalo, he will probably light it up somewhere else. That is just the way things go for the Bills. Probably go to the NFC, and the Bills will lose their 5th super bowl to his team in a couple years
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                        • bflojohn
                          Registered User
                          • Aug 2005
                          • 711

                          #13
                          Re: The reality of the QB situation

                          Why, on earth, do coaches try, in vane, to jam a square peg into a round hole? Coaching 101 dictates that you provide YOUR player with his best chance at success! JP Losman is NOT a systems QB, and THAT is exactly what Steve Fairchild is jamming down his throat! Play to the teams strengths, with an attacking mentality, NOT the conservative "playing not to lose" philosophy! Football is an aggressive game played by aggressive human beings. Pulling in the reigns on throbred athletes is somehow just plain stupidity to me!! Losman, for all his ups and downs is basically a gunslinger type who relishes the mode of operation where he lets it all fly... good or bad! How many QB's in this league play with that bravado? Favre, Brady, Manning, Romo, Brees, and Palmer to name a few. before anyone goes off the deep end I'm NOT comparing JP to these guys, however, wouldn't WNY enjoy a wide open, no huddle, go for the throat mentality again? I think so, so let's see what is gained from that type of commitment!

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                          • Mitchy moo
                            Roways rooking ahread!
                            • Sep 2005
                            • 18380

                            #14
                            Re: The reality of the QB situation

                            Originally posted by bflojohn Pulling in the reigns on [b
                            throbred[/b] athletes is somehow just plain stupidity to me
                            Throbed, lol.

                            What kind of horse do you have?? A throbed, gangsta pony.

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                            • justasportsfan
                              Registered User
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 71601

                              #15
                              Re: The reality of the QB situation

                              No why would Moran want Fairchild fired when he was a big fan of his in St. Louis?
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