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Re: So... You think the D is tired because of the O?
Originally posted by TacklingDummy
It's hard to blame one or the other when they both stink.
Yep. There's no doubt the defense has no one to blame but themselves for failing to get off the field. Now even if the offense were to score every possession, which isn't realistic, they'd STILL be giving-up long drives.
Bottom line is the defense needs to get healthy and better, while the offense needs to get better. Even the ST's have been unimpressive.
Re: So... You think the D is tired because of the O?
The defense didn't play that badly against Denver. They did suck it up, especially on third downs, against Pittsburgh.
Like it or not, the T2 defense is reliant on an offense that can put enough points on the board to win. If Buffalo's O was performing anywhere near mediocre, we'd be 1-1 right now, have the right to believe that we've got a shot against New England, and probably be looking forward to hitting the bye week at 3-2 instead of 1-4 or 0-5.
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Re: So... You think the D is tired because of the O?
Originally posted by draz54
Any way you wanna look at it... Our O is averaging 6 minutes per drive... While we allow our opponents an average of 6.6.
A little getting off the field (over 50% 3rd down conversions) would go a long way toward better field position and getting our O in a rythem.
A few points on the board would help put a little pressure on the other team's offense to try to score points also. It works both ways, but especially with the T2.
Lack of offense is what cost Dungy his job in Tampa.
A more productive offense is why Gruden won a Super Bowl with Tampa the year he replaced Dungy.
A more productive offense is why Dungy finally won a Super Bowl in Indy despite not having the defensive talent that he enjoyed in Tampa.
The T2 defense is why Manning and Harrison finally got their rings...They didn't have to outscore everybody 41-37 because the defense was able to keep the big plays from putting big points on the board.
We've got a serviceable defense, even despite all of the injuries, and they've played up to par for six of the eight quarters played this year. The offense needs to get with the program.
YardRat Wall of Fame #56 DARRYL TALLEY #29 DERRICK BURROUGHS#22 FRED JACKSON #95 KYLE WILLIAMS
Re: So... You think the D is tired because of the O?
looking at the way this team was put together this year there clearly is an emphasis on ball control offense
the d is going to give up yards and long drives all season. however their superior speed becomes an advantage when the field is short and forces a lot of fg attempts
there is also a high emphasis on special teams with several players taking up roster spaces dedicated to that unit. the fact that they didnt even bother to start haggen or stamer shows they want to keep that unit intact as much as they can - and for good reason, they have been dominant are will likely continue to be so
thus it is up to the offense to contribute by helping the field position battle by getting a couple first downs and at the very least letting the kicking teams make the field as long as possible for the opposing o
so far the offense has failed in their modest assignment. not that they are the only ones to point a finger at, but they have been clearly the worst of the three main units and have been the primary factor in defeat
yes the d is basically waving third downs but they still are stopping drives at a fg most times. the o cant even generate enough to offset that, and have not taken advantage of spec teams giving them excellent field position
frankly i thing the o's suckitude is an anomoly and they will get it cranked here very shortly. im not sure the pats are going to play along but certainly theres too much talent on the o side to continue sucking ass out loud as they have beeen
theres still time to come together and make a desperate run for the playoffs. i expect they will be in contention right up to week fiteen at the least
and that s a helluva lot better than the prospect or sucking out loud the whole season
Re: So... You think the D is tired because of the O?
The T2 is based on not giving-up the big play and forcing turnovers. Sure the offense scoring is a big help. But the defense should be GIVING the offense numerous opportunities. And there's no excuse for the defense giving-up a 3-minute and then a 6 minnute drive in the first quarter against the Broncos (in between Roscoe's punt return for a TD), and a 7-minute possession to open the Steelers game. Not to mention JP attempted just 6 passes in the first half against the Steelers, and they tried to go against the strength of the Steelers' defense by running it.
BTW YardRat, the Colts won a SB because of their defense. Recall that their offense sputtered in the playoff games, and really in the SB with the way the defense played, they didn't need to score a lot on offense, but did. Without the herculean effort from the defense, they don't REACH the SB. And the Bucs won their SB largely based on defense and knowing the Raiders' calls (since Gruden developed them and the Raiders never changed them when he left).
Re: So... You think the D is tired because of the O?
Originally posted by draz54
The Bills O has had the ball 9 times for 54:06 compared to our opponents at 10 times for 65:54.
Originally posted by draz54
Any way you wanna look at it... Our O is averaging 6 minutes per drive... While we allow our opponents an average of 6.6.
I don't understand. Are you saying the offense only had the ball 9 times in 2 games?
Because I count 9 times they had the ball just in the Pittsburgh game and 9 times in Denver game, =18 times the O had the ball. For a total of 51:21. Less than 3 minutes per drive.
Re: So... You think the D is tired because of the O?
Originally posted by BuffaloFever
Yes, Draz. Our D is suffering greatly because of our O.
I'd say that door swings both ways.
Against Pitt, they got the ball first and proceeded to take over 7 minutes off the clock. The offense then sputtered after a short drive, and then Pitt took over and had another 7+ minute drive.
So, now it's early in the 2nd quarter and the O has touched the ball exactly once. You can blame the O for squandering their ONLY opportunity, but you have to blame the D for not giving them more opportunities.
And keep in mind- both 7 minute drives were the FIRST TWO drives of the game, so the old excuse about the D being tired because the O can't stay on the field doesn't apply. The D was tired because they couldn't get off the field.
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