Dummy- JP's record as a starter

[patmoran2006]

TAckling Dummy, since I know your obsessed with your hate of Losman, what is his actual record as a starter?

And how many of those wins came against sub .500 teams.?

[LtBillsFan66]

Re: Dummy- JP's record as a starter

I know he pwns the Texans!

[TacklingDummy]

Re: Dummy- JP's record as a starter

TAckling Dummy, since I know your obsessed with your hate of Losman, what is his actual record as a starter?

And how many of those wins came against sub .500 teams.?

8-19

1 win against a team with a above .500 record, Jets last year.

Some of those wins were against teams with .500 records.

[Mitchy moo]

Re: Dummy- JP's record as a starter

Hall of fame career??

[RockStar36]

Re: Dummy- JP's record as a starter

So...the point of this thread is to just stir up trouble. Everyone can read his signature.

[TacklingDummy]

Re: Dummy- JP's record as a starter

2005

Houston (2-14) Win
Tampa Bay (11-5) Lost
Atlanta (8-8) Lost
New Orleans (3-13) Lost
Chargers (9-7) Lost
Panthers (11-5) Lost
Dolphins (9-7) Lost
Patriots (10-6) Lost


2006

New England (12-4) Lost
Dolphins (6-10) Won
Jets (10-6) Lost
Vikings (6-10) Win
Bears (13-3) Lost
Lions (3-13) Lost
New England (12-4) Lost
Packers (8-8) Won
Colts (12-4) Lost
Texans (6-10) Won
Jags (8-8) Win
Chargers (12-4) Lost
Jets (10-6) Won
Miami (6-10) Won
Titans (8-8) Lost
Ravens (13-3) Lost

2007

Denver (2-1) Lost
Pitts. (3-0) Lost
New England (3-0) Lost

The question really isn't how many games JP won as starter. It's how many of those close games the Bills lost that they should have won if JP produced.

You could look at it this way, JP only lost to 2 teams with losing records. The other 17 losses came against teams with .500 or above records.

[Wraith]

Re: Dummy- JP's record as a starter

2005

Houston (2-14) Win
Tampa Bay (11-5) Lost
Atlanta (8-8) Lost
New Orleans (3-13) Lost
Chargers (9-7) Lost
Panthers (11-5) Lost
Dolphins (9-7) Lost
Patriots (10-6) Lost


2006

New England (12-4) Lost
Dolphins (6-10) Won
Jets (10-6) Lost
Vikings (6-10) Win
Bears (13-3) Lost
Lions (3-13) Lost
New England (12-4) Lost
Packers (8-8) Won
Colts (12-4) Lost
Texans (6-10) Won
Jags (8-8) Win
Chargers (12-4) Lost
Jets (10-6) Won
Miami (6-10) Won
Titans (8-8) Lost
Ravens (13-3) Lost

2007

Denver (2-1) Lost
Pitts. (3-0) Lost
New England (3-0) Lost

The question really isn't how many games JP won as starter. It's how many of those close games the Bills lost that they should have won if JP produced.

You could look at it this way, JP only lost to 2 teams with losing records. The other 17 losses came against teams with .500 or above records.

Might as well throw in the game against KC that he won in 2005. Sure, he didn't start that game, but can we really award the win to Kelly Holcomb? Losman threw for the only two touchdowns scored in that game, and the Chiefs finished at 10 - 6 that year.

[TacklingDummy]

Re: Dummy- JP's record as a starter

Records of the teams the Bills beat win JP was starter 52-76.

Records of the teams the Bills Lost to when JP was starter 164-101.

[TacklingDummy]

Re: Dummy- JP's record as a starter

Might as well throw in the game against KC that he won in 2005. Sure, he didn't start that game, but can we really award the win to Kelly Holcomb? Losman threw for the only two touchdowns scored in that game, and the Chiefs finished at 10 - 6 that year.

Sorry, JP didn't start.

[Jan Reimers]

Re: Dummy- JP's record as a starter

So what?

[Wraith]

Re: Dummy- JP's record as a starter

Sorry, JP didn't start.

Fortunately for me, YOU don't get to make that distinction.

Every reader of this topic gets to decide for themselves whether to ignore a game in which Losman played the vast majority of while throwing for the only points the Bills scored that day enroute to a 14 - 3 Buffalo victory over a good Chiefs team that ended the season at 10 - 6.

If you want to discard it from your analysis, that's fine, but good luck trying to convince the intelligent posters of this thread that Losman shouldn't get credit for that game because he failed to do something as trivial as taking the first snap of the game for his team.

This would be like me trying to claim that Losman should get the credit if the game on Sunday had ended with the Bills leading 7 - 3. I would get laughed off this board, and rightfully so.

[Jan Reimers]

Re: Dummy- JP's record as a starter

Fortunately for me, YOU don't get to make that distinction.

Every reader of this topic gets to decide for themselves whether to ignore a game in which Losman played the vast majority of while throwing for the only points the Bills scored that day enroute to a 14 - 3 Buffalo victory over a good Chiefs team that ended the season at 10 - 6.

If you want to discard it from your analysis, that's fine, but good luck trying to convince the intelligent posters of this thread that Losman shouldn't get credit for that game because he failed to do something as trivial as taking the first snap of the game for his team.

This would be like me trying to claim that Losman should get the credit if game on Sunday had ended with the Bills leading 7 - 3. I would get laughed off this board, and rightfully so.

Unfortunately, as the starter Losman gets tagged with Sunday's loss, though. After what, 3 plays?

[TacklingDummy]

Re: Dummy- JP's record as a starter

Fortunately for me, YOU don't get to make that distinction.

I know, the record books make that distinction.

If you want to discard it from your analysis, that's fine, but good luck trying to convince the intelligent posters of this thread that Losman shouldn't get credit for that game because he failed to do something as trivial as taking the first snap of the game for his team.

Holcomb started, JP came in after Holcomb got hurt. Does it make it right? Nope. It is what it is.

This would be like me trying to claim that Losman should get the credit if game on Sunday had ended with the Bills leading 7 - 3. I would get laughed off this board, and rightfully so.

If the Bills won Sunday I would have put it under "games the Bills won when JP started". Does it make it right? Probably not. But JP started and that's all that matters for this analysis.

[Jan Reimers]

Re: Dummy- JP's record as a starter

All of this proves the old adage, Figures don't lie, but liars figure.

[TacklingDummy]

Re: Dummy- JP's record as a starter

All of this proves the old adage, Figures don't lie, but liars figure.

Show me one thing that is a lie and not a fact. Thanks.

I am actually trying to be nice to Losman in this thread. Look at the records of the teams the Bills lost to when JP started. I wouldn't have brought that up if I wanted to bash him.