Sabres send two back to Rochester

[BillsSabresB.C.T. Fan]

The Buffalo Sabres announced today the team has assigned forward Clarke MacArthur and defenseman Andrej Sekera to the Rochester Americans of the American Hockey League.

"Just to play," responded head coach Lindy Ruff when asked why the pair were reassigned. "With Rochester's proximity and schedule, it's better that both players are playing."

MacArthur, Buffalo's third-round choice (74th overall) in the 2003 Entry Draft, was tied for fourth on the Sabres in exhibition scoring with three points in four games.

Sekera, Buffalo's third-round choice (71st overall) in the 2004 Entry Draft, registered a single assist in five preseason appearances.

http://sabres.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=339021

[churchinski]

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The Buffalo Sabres announced today the team has assigned forward Clarke MacArthur and defenseman Andrej Sekera to the Rochester Americans of the American Hockey League.

"Just to play," responded head coach Lindy Ruff when asked why the pair were reassigned. "With Rochester's proximity and schedule, it's better that both players are playing."

MacArthur, Buffalo's third-round choice (74th overall) in the 2003 Entry Draft, was tied for fourth on the Sabres in exhibition scoring with three points in four games.

Sekera, Buffalo's third-round choice (71st overall) in the 2004 Entry Draft, registered a single assist in five preseason appearances.

http://sabres.nhl.com/team/app/?serv...ticleid=339021

That's typical.

Is Ruff efn blind ?

This is the same guy that was accelerating Paille in front of Stafford , last year.
Stafford only saw ice after injuries.
Ruff had Paille rated in front of Drew Stafford !

If he can't see what they have in MacArthur then I don't know what he's smoking.

I'll say this ...after MacArthur gets his shot and sticks then look back and try to figure out how they could have arrived at having Ryan and Paille on the regular roster in front of MacArthur.

Every bit as ridiculous as going through a training camp last year and figuring Paile as being more NHL capable then Stafford.

The fact that Ryan has to clear waivers doesn't mean squat, he's not an in demand player at this point and probably never will be.

[churchinski]

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Imagine how different things would have gone last year with Stafford on the roster from the start of the season.

They might have never made the Zubrus trade and saved a first round pick.

And instead of having Stafford in the pressbox while they were trying to make Zubrus out as being something he never was as a player we would have had Stafford on the ice through out the playoffs

[BlackMetalNinja]

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Could you stick to just ruining one forum with your negativity? K... thanks!

[SpillerThrills]

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The fact that Ryan has to clear waivers doesn't mean squat, he's not an in demand player at this point and probably never will be.

is that just like last year when Chris Thorburn (sp) had to clear waivers and didn't??? he wasn't an "in demand player" either yet he didn't clear waivers and was picked up by Boston!

[BillsSabresB.C.T. Fan]

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is that just like last year when Chris Thorburn (sp) had to clear waivers and didn't??? he wasn't an "in demand player" either yet he didn't clear waivers and was picked up by Boston!

Thorburn went to Pittsburgh, I remember that day we just finished our pre-season game with them in Buffalo and the Sabres tried to ship Thorburn down to Rochester and the only way to do it was the waiver wire and the next day Pittsburgh claimed him off the waiver wire.

[Dr. Lecter]

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That's typical.

Is Ruff efn blind ?

This is the same guy that was accelerating Paille in front of Stafford , last year.
Stafford only saw ice after injuries.
Ruff had Paille rated in front of Drew Stafford !

If he can't see what they have in MacArthur then I don't know what he's smoking.

I'll say this ...after MacArthur gets his shot and sticks then look back and try to figure out how they could have arrived at having Ryan and Paille on the regular roster in front of MacArthur.

Every bit as ridiculous as going through a training camp last year and figuring Paile as being more NHL capable then Stafford.

The fact that Ryan has to clear waivers doesn't mean squat, he's not an in demand player at this point and probably never will be.

A couple of points you have wrong here:

One: Ruff had more of a need for Paille at the time. He was more experienced, had more size and could kill penalties. Ruff said as much at the time.

Two: Ryan and Paille have to clear waivers. MacArthur does not. If they are sent down a team like Pheonix will grab them. And then the depth is damaged for the rest of the season. Pretty stupid to do that now.

Three: Ruff's track record on selecting players is pretty spot on. MacArthur will get more PT in Rochester and more time to develop than he would in Buffalo. Good choice. It lets him play and get ice time, probably in many different situations.

[Dr. Lecter]

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Imagine how different things would have gone last year with Stafford on the roster from the start of the season.

They might have never made the Zubrus trade and saved a first round pick.

And instead of having Stafford in the pressbox while they were trying to make Zubrus out as being something he never was as a player we would have had Stafford on the ice through out the playoffs

Did you watch Stafford in the playoffs?

He was awful.

What Zubrus brought, was a physical style the team was lacking. He was one of the better players in the playoffs.

[churchinski]

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Could you stick to just ruining one forum with your negativity? K... thanks!

Stop crying about people having an opinion.

Did you grow up running to you mother anytime someone had an opinion that you didn't agree with ?

In the adult world no one will intervene for you , you either have to cover your eyes or your ears.
(unless your mom runs the forum)

[churchinski]

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Did you watch Stafford in the playoffs?

He was awful.

What Zubrus brought, was a physical style the team was lacking. He was one of the better players in the playoffs.

He sucked

Zubrus brought nothing except a few body checks early in the playoff showcasing himself for a contract.

He logged huge amounts of pp time and registered nothing.

The Drury line was far more effective once he got hurt.

Zubrus is a career underachiever

The herd got sucked in by rhetoric from media figures like the 15 year olds on wrg who don't know squat about hockey.

People that know hockey don't parrot the opinion of the clowns on wgr.

Buffalo never offered Zubrus a contract and neither did the Capitals.

[Dr. Lecter]

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He sucked

Zubrus brought nothing except a few body checks early in the playoff showcasing himself for a contract.

He logged huge amounts of pp time and registered nothing.

The Drury line was far more effective once he got hurt.

Zubrus is a career underachiever

The herd got sucked in by rhetoric from media figures like the 15 year olds on wrg who don't know squat about hockey.

People that know hockey don't parrot the opinion of the clowns on wgr.

Buffalo never offered Zubrus a contract and neither did the Capitals.

Ohhh... A feisty one!!!

Very well then.

First off, you can drop the WGR rhetoric (Since I never listen to the crap) and the implications I don't know hockey. (Apparently differing opinions get you all kinds of testy too).

Zubrus has been an underacheiver, for the talent he was perceived as having coming out of Junior. That does not mean he was not, or can't be effective. He is not a scorer. That much is known. He is a big player who offers a phsyical presence and kills penalties. He also, while not scoring, did have a number of assists in the playoffs.

As for the Sabres not offerring him a deal, I think the current situation makes it clear why they did not, not to mention the comments made shortly after they acquired him. He was no more than a rent-a-player acquired using Marty's salary cap space. No more. No less.

[churchinski]

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A couple of points you have wrong here:

One: Ruff had more of a need for Paille at the time. He was more experienced, had more size and could kill penalties. Ruff said as much at the time.

Two: Ryan and Paille have to clear waivers. MacArthur does not. If they are sent down a team like Pheonix will grab them. And then the depth is damaged for the rest of the season. Pretty stupid to do that now.

Three: Ruff's track record on selecting players is pretty spot on. MacArthur will get more PT in Rochester and more time to develop than he would in Buffalo. Good choice. It lets him play and get ice time, probably in many different situations.

lol lol lol

1. just exactly what do you consider an experienced player
how much experience do you think Paille had prior to the season ?

2. waivers ?
they kept Ryan because of waivers ?
you better guess again
Are you aware that in 2005 the Ruff exposed Pominville to waiver after he scored 4 points in 5 preseason games.

And now he is making his roster to include Ryan who because they don't want to expose a player that has done nothing in the NHL and who is on his last leg as far as getting a shot ?

3. no it is not
the sabres track record for scouting is outstanding
check #2 for Ruff's track record on selecting players
If you need another example Ruff himself was involved in the Sabres deciding to go with Kotalik rather than Dumont when they faced cap issues last summer

Pominville went on to score 18 goals in a span of 19 games in Rochester
How does Dumont look in Nashville ?
Is he playing as good as Kotalik or better ?

[churchinski]

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Ohhh... A feisty one!!!

Very well then.

First off, you can drop the WGR rhetoric (Since I never listen to the crap) and the implications I don't know hockey. (Apparently differing opinions get you all kinds of testy too).

Zubrus has been an underacheiver, for the talent he was perceived as having coming out of Junior. That does not mean he was not, or can't be effective. He is not a scorer. That much is known. He is a big player who offers a phsyical presence and kills penalties. He also, while not scoring, did have a number of assists in the playoffs.

As for the Sabres not offerring him a deal, I think the current situation makes it clear why they did not, not to mention the comments made shortly after they acquired him. He was no more than a rent-a-player acquired using Marty's salary cap space. No more. No less.

Listen you make my point.
People get roped into hype when a trade is made and then the myth has momemtum.

I knew what he was as a player before they brought him in and was immune to all that BS.

Zubrus throughout his career has not been a physical force

Like a lot of players when his contract wound down suddenly he got involved
with the prospect of a FA contract.

He did not have a "number of assists"
His point total was PATHETIC for a player who spent the amount of time he did on the 1st unit PP and on a line with Drury.

What he did was ride on Drury's coattails.
He scored zero goals and 8 assists

In 16 games playing on Drury's line how many even strength points do you thing Stafford would end up with ?

Do you think he would fail to exceed Zubrus' 4 assists ?

[Dr. Lecter]

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lol lol lol

1. just exactly what do you consider an experienced player
how much experience do you think Paille had prior to the season ?

2. waivers ?
they kept Ryan because of waivers ?
you better guess again
Are you aware that in 2005 the Ruff exposed Pominville to waiver after he scored 4 points in 5 preseason games.

And now he is making his roster to include Ryan who because they don't want to expose a player that has done nothing in the NHL and who is on his last leg as far as getting a shot ?

3. no it is not
the sabres track record for scouting is outstanding
check #2 for Ruff's track record on selecting players
If you need another example Ruff himself was involved in the Sabres deciding to go with Kotalik rather than Dumont when they faced cap issues last summer

Pominville went on to score 18 goals in a span of 19 games in Rochester
How does Dumont look in Nashville ?
Is he playing as good as Kotalik or better ?

1. More than Stafford. And, like I said (and you conveniently ignored) is the diverse ability of Paille. PK, physical play. Stafford, especially at that time, was a goal scorer. The Sabres had plenty of those.
2. You seem to like to make comparisons that are not similar. At that time Pomminville had little or no NHL experience and had the Sabres players were not as well respected. There was also the factor that the new NHL had not arrived, making quick guys like Ryan and Pomminville that much more desired. So yeah, waivers, experience and all that does factor into play, especially when a guy (i.e. MacArthur) needs ice time. He can get 15-20 minutes a game in Rochester, including PP, PK, and end of game situations. He won’t get that in Buffalo.
3. Another different situation. They could walk away from Dumont, not Kotalik. And again, two different players. For one ,Kotalik is valuable in the regular season as one of the best shootout guys in the league. There is also the fact that Dumont would have been an UFA this past off-season, whereas Kotalik was not.

Granted that one could have gone the other way (I would have to see the salaries too though). But it is not cut and dried like you seem to think.

[churchinski]

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1. More than Stafford. And, like I said (and you conveniently ignored) is the diverse ability of Paille. PK, physical play. Stafford, especially at that time, was a goal scorer. The Sabres had plenty of those.
2. You seem to like to make comparisons that are not similar. At that time Pomminville had little or no NHL experience and had the Sabres players were not as well respected. There was also the factor that the new NHL had not arrived, making quick guys like Ryan and Pomminville that much more desired. So yeah, waivers, experience and all that does factor into play, especially when a guy (i.e. MacArthur) needs ice time. He can get 15-20 minutes a game in Rochester, including PP, PK, and end of game situations. He won’t get that in Buffalo.
3. Another different situation. They could walk away from Dumont, not Kotalik. And again, two different players. For one ,Kotalik is valuable in the regular season as one of the best shootout guys in the league. There is also the fact that Dumont would have been an UFA this past off-season, whereas Kotalik was not.

Granted that one could have gone the other way (I would have to see the salaries too though). But it is not cut and dried like you seem to think.

1. Paille is a more physical player than Stafford ?

2. there is no way to avoid comparing Ryan to exposing Pominville
The speed think is a contrived rationalization
Pominville wasn't just a fast player he was a skill player !
And Ruff had him in camp and it went right over his head

Ryan is nowhere near the type of playe pominville was even in 2005
Ruff completely missed it and they exposed a back to back 30 goal scorer

To even attempt to rationalize that is useless

3. more rationalizing
the offer dumont got in abritration only took place because they never gave him an offer prior to arbitration they made their decision on him PRIOR to abritration

LOOK it up because they as much as said so themselves !

They put themselves up against the cap before he even hit arbitration.
They had already resigned themselves to letting Dumont go in favor of keeping younger players like Kotalik.

They said it themselves.

So they were NOt boxed into a one year contract with Dumont....they already dropped him before the arbitration and never offered him a multiyear deal.

They just simply dropped him in a numbers game.