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  • DaBillzAhDaShiznit
    Registered User
    • May 2004
    • 1268

    The Bottom Line for the Bills.

    Plain and simple.

    When the going gets tough (and yes, we've had alot of that lately), these guys
    fold under the pressure.

    Good guys, and they do know football. Seem to be good motivators too.
    Unfortunately, in the NFL, that is not enough.

    I would say that it all falls back on Jauron. During crunch time he should be in the DC and OC's ear letting them know that they should call a certain kind of play.
    Not the specific play, but something like "Let's keep the pressure on" or "Let's not do anything stupid here" or "Let's go with what's been working all night".
    And they should have a game plan that addresses situations that are bound to happen. They should have known ahead of time that when you are within field goal range and about to lock up a game, you don't throw a outside slant, no matter who your QB is.

    Until we get a REAL, PROVEN Head Coach with a good handle on his staff, it won't matter how much young talent we have. We will fail.

    Overall, you have to be impressed with our personnel. Apart from the D-Line (wow, those DE's are really earning their money, huh?), almost every player on this team has played quite well. I feel good about our QB for the first time in many years. But all that amounts to nothing if the coaching staff makes poor decisions with games on the line.

    So while I am optimistic about the talent we have assembled (I have changed my mind to some extent about Marv and Co.'s decision making), I think the biggest change needed is coaching.

    Just my opinion.
    "Show me a good loser and I will show you an idiot"
    --Leo Durocher
  • Mahdi
    Registered User
    • Mar 2004
    • 10585

    #2
    Re: The Bottom Line for the Bills.

    I'm pretty tired of hearing about how our coaching sucks or watever. When the players perform the basics on a consistent basis like run blocking then ill look to the coaching.



    Take a team like the Giants. People question their coaching all the time yet they are in most games because the players get the job done. Their OL consistently run blocks well and that opens up their pass game allowing the offense as a whole to be successful. And interestingly enough their OC is the same OC we ran out of Buffalo Kevin Gilbride. So can we please stop swinging the axe all the time when we dont like how things are going. Give the coaches and players a chance to gel. The more time they spend together the more they will get a feel for what they are good at, what they need and what they need to get rid of. These things take time. And as evidenced by Monday night these coaches are capable of putting together solid game plans. Yeah we didnt put up the points, but Fairchild cant plug himself in on the OL and bust open holes for Marshawn himself. In the red zone if you cant run the ball then enjoy putting up 3.

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    • jamze132
      Don’t hate…
      • Jun 2003
      • 29310

      #3
      Re: The Bottom Line for the Bills.

      Originally posted by Mahdi
      I'm pretty tired of hearing about how our coaching sucks or watever. When the players perform the basics on a consistent basis like run blocking then ill look to the coaching.



      Take a team like the Giants. People question their coaching all the time yet they are in most games because the players get the job done. Their OL consistently run blocks well and that opens up their pass game allowing the offense as a whole to be successful. And interestingly enough their OC is the same OC we ran out of Buffalo Kevin Gilbride. So can we please stop swinging the axe all the time when we dont like how things are going. Give the coaches and players a chance to gel. The more time they spend together the more they will get a feel for what they are good at, what they need and what they need to get rid of. These things take time. And as evidenced by Monday night these coaches are capable of putting together solid game plans. Yeah we didnt put up the points, but Fairchild cant plug himself in on the OL and bust open holes for Marshawn himself. In the red zone if you cant run the ball then enjoy putting up 3.
      I hear what you are saying but what are the players supposed to do when your DC calls a 3-deep zone with less than 20 seconds left on the clock, out of time outs, and FG range?

      Also what are we supposed to do when your OC calls for a pass play when we are driving deep into Dallas teritory when all we need to do is run the ball, burn a few more seconds off the clock, and then kick the FG to take a commanding lead?

      Karma bit us in the ass... again! When you are supposed to run, you run and protect the ball. When you try to out-think the opposition, you usually out-think yourself and bad things happen.

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      • jamze132
        Don’t hate…
        • Jun 2003
        • 29310

        #4
        Re: The Bottom Line for the Bills.

        What are we supposed to do when the HC hires guys that make the decisions listed above?

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        • Mahdi
          Registered User
          • Mar 2004
          • 10585

          #5
          Re: The Bottom Line for the Bills.

          Originally posted by jamze132
          I hear what you are saying but what are the players supposed to do when your DC calls a 3-deep zone with less than 20 seconds left on the clock, out of time outs, and FG range?

          Also what are we supposed to do when your OC calls for a pass play when we are driving deep into Dallas teritory when all we need to do is run the ball, burn a few more seconds off the clock, and then kick the FG to take a commanding lead?

          Karma bit us in the ass... again! When you are supposed to run, you run and protect the ball. When you try to out-think the opposition, you usually out-think yourself and bad things happen.
          K im not sure what the thought is behind playing deep on the last play... but what I can say is that every coach in the NFL makes mistakes now and then. One coaching decision shouldnt cost you a game though. IF we could have run the ball effectively throughout the game we wouldnt be having this conversation. Fact is,,,, Buffalo is ALWAYS in a tight game because we cant pull away from teams for one reason or another. Usually related to running and stopping the run. Therefore the one decision the coach makes that goes wrong during the game is magnified.

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          • djjimkelly
            Registered User
            • Apr 2003
            • 7045

            #6
            Re: The Bottom Line for the Bills.

            Originally posted by Mahdi
            K im not sure what the thought is behind playing deep on the last play... but what I can say is that every coach in the NFL makes mistakes now and then. One coaching decision shouldnt cost you a game though. IF we could have run the ball effectively throughout the game we wouldnt be having this conversation. Fact is,,,, Buffalo is ALWAYS in a tight game because we cant pull away from teams for one reason or another. Usually related to running and stopping the run. Therefore the one decision the coach makes that goes wrong during the game is magnified.

            there was a series of bad calls in that dallas game. i still cant believe we threw the ball twice with 1st and 10 from dallas 13 with 6:30 left in game when 3 points was on silver platter. from there bad luck combined with our sit back mentality led to what happened after the onside.

            moreso its a pattern. colts last year chargers last year hell we almost blew the texans game the jags game then denver and cowboys games this year. its a pattern at this point. these coaches seeem to get cute at wrong times or soften at wrong times. also the fact we treat 7 point leads like we are up 35 its a bit out of hand

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            • scott51
              Registered User
              • Oct 2006
              • 433

              #7
              Re: The Bottom Line for the Bills.

              If this was the first game where the coaches made some mistakes I would say, well, no one is perfect. They have been making bone-headed decisions all season long! It started against Denver. We had the lead in the fourth quarter and the coaches called a long, deep pass to Evans (with JP) and it fell incomplete, stopping the clock. Denver got the ball back, and well, you know the rest of the story. Now, if the coaches call a run play instead of the pass then guess what, we eat up clock or Denver uses their timeout. Either way, seconds pass and that final field goal doesn't have time to take place! Fast forward to Monday night and with a chance to simply run and get a field goal, we pass and get intercepted. If we took the field goal guess what, 27-25. The coaches have shown that they CANNOT coach a team to a win. I say its time to clean house!
              Go Bills!
              Go Sabres!

              JP Losman, your time is up!




              2007 Standings:
              Buffalo Bills 7-9
              New England Patriots 18-1*

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              • Mahdi
                Registered User
                • Mar 2004
                • 10585

                #8
                Re: The Bottom Line for the Bills.

                Originally posted by djjimkelly
                there was a series of bad calls in that dallas game. i still cant believe we threw the ball twice with 1st and 10 from dallas 13 with 6:30 left in game when 3 points was on silver platter. from there bad luck combined with our sit back mentality led to what happened after the onside.

                moreso its a pattern. colts last year chargers last year hell we almost blew the texans game the jags game then denver and cowboys games this year. its a pattern at this point. these coaches seeem to get cute at wrong times or soften at wrong times. also the fact we treat 7 point leads like we are up 35 its a bit out of hand
                If the Bills had called 3 runs in a row and got stuffed like they had all game so many ppl on this board would be saying that we were playing scared, that Trent was playing well and we should have attacked etc etc. They went for the win and it backfired. Thats the nature of the game.

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                • Meathead
                  Insufferable ***** and perpetual crybaby
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 21349

                  #9
                  Re: The Bottom Line for the Bills.

                  dont believe thats true

                  playing for the fg at that place/time was the right thing to do. if you can score a td thats a bonus but the three there completely changes the playcalling for dallas the rest of the way. from there they have to score a fg a td and a 2pt. the reward for taking the risk of putting the ball in the air is simply not big enough. it was a boneheaded decision and always will be

                  just like going for the long one on fourth at the pats two in ne last year. very similar logic. he took too big of a gamble at the wrong time. its the pattern of an habitual loser, not just one unlucky play

                  good at most things. very good at some very important things. very bad at critical times that lose games. a terminal flaw
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                  • jamze132
                    Don’t hate…
                    • Jun 2003
                    • 29310

                    #10
                    Re: The Bottom Line for the Bills.

                    I think it's safe to say that Jauron isn't the smartest knife in the drawer. Ivy league or not, the guy consistently makes the wrong football decisions.

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                    • Meathead
                      Insufferable ***** and perpetual crybaby
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 21349

                      #11
                      Re: The Bottom Line for the Bills.

                      being smart has nothing to do with making good decisions under pressure

                      who knows, einstein might call a downfield pass with a pressure packed monday night game on the line

                      bill parcells isnt going to win any mensa contests but i doubt hed call a bonehead play like that in a similiar situation
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                      • Jan Reimers
                        Thank You, Terry and Kim, for Saving the Bills. Now, Work on the Sabres.
                        • May 2003
                        • 17353

                        #12
                        Re: The Bottom Line for the Bills.

                        Originally posted by scott51
                        If this was the first game where the coaches made some mistakes I would say, well, no one is perfect. They have been making bone-headed decisions all season long! It started against Denver. We had the lead in the fourth quarter and the coaches called a long, deep pass to Evans (with JP) and it fell incomplete, stopping the clock. Denver got the ball back, and well, you know the rest of the story. Now, if the coaches call a run play instead of the pass then guess what, we eat up clock or Denver uses their timeout. Either way, seconds pass and that final field goal doesn't have time to take place! Fast forward to Monday night and with a chance to simply run and get a field goal, we pass and get intercepted. If we took the field goal guess what, 27-25. The coaches have shown that they CANNOT coach a team to a win. I say its time to clean house!
                        Great post. You are absolutely right. We play a mind-numbingly conservative offense until we finally need it, then throw it up for grabs at the God-awful worst times.

                        And against Pittsburgh and New England - who are obviously much better than us - we crawl into an offensive cocoon and give ourselves no chance whatsoever.
                        Should have known, way back in 1960 when we drafted Richie Lucas Number 1, that this would be a long, hard ride. But who could have known it would be THIS bad?

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                        • TacklingDummy
                          Unreachable Douche
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 71725

                          #13
                          Re: The Bottom Line for the Bills.

                          Personally I think it more lack of talent on the field then it is coaching.

                          Would Bill Belichick, Parcells, Lombardi, Levy...etc...make that much of a difference if they were coach of this team?

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                          • acehole
                            Registered User
                            • Jan 2006
                            • 4877

                            #14
                            Re: The Bottom Line for the Bills.

                            Thank you Jamie....

                            I thought for a second this board turned into twobillsdrive board full of 12 year old.gOOD POST!


                            Originally posted by jamze132
                            I hear what you are saying but what are the players supposed to do when your DC calls a 3-deep zone with less than 20 seconds left on the clock, out of time outs, and FG range?

                            Also what are we supposed to do when your OC calls for a pass play when we are driving deep into Dallas teritory when all we need to do is run the ball, burn a few more seconds off the clock, and then kick the FG to take a commanding lead?

                            Karma bit us in the ass... again! When you are supposed to run, you run and protect the ball. When you try to out-think the opposition, you usually out-think yourself and bad things happen.
                            Hated by the stupid..
                            Loved by their moms.

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                            • djjimkelly
                              Registered User
                              • Apr 2003
                              • 7045

                              #15
                              Re: The Bottom Line for the Bills.

                              Originally posted by TacklingDummy
                              Personally I think it more lack of talent on the field then it is coaching.

                              Would Bill Belichick, Parcells, Lombardi, Levy...etc...make that much of a difference if they were coach of this team?

                              yeah i actually think it would be a huge difference. i cant think of a game where this coaching staff has been the difference and its been 21 games now

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