pennington and Losman

[trapezeus]

Again, for the record, i'm not anti-JP and i've always thought pennington didn't have enough Arm Strength. I'm just making an observation.

It's funny how Jet fans have turned on Pennington and are looking for him to get the boot. He's gone to a couple playoff rounds in his years, but they are asking for his head. On the other hand, JP hasn't done much (albeit to coaching changes, poor play calling, poor execution, or all ove the above), but our fan base is willing to stick with him. And he's done nothing.

Are we so inexperienced at winning, that we are light years behind even Jet fans? Please say it isn't so.

[THATHURMANATOR]

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"Are we so inexperienced at winning, that we are light years behind even Jet fans? Please say it isn't so."

What does this even mean?

[Wraith]

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Interesting "logic."

[mybills]

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[trapezeus]

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just that we are comfortable debating over whether a guy who hasn't shown us any ability to get the job done over 4 years. yet there are teams who have gone to the playoffs recently, and think their current QB isn't going to get them far enough. so they want him gone. I think it's the right move for the jets. Pennington was lucky earlier in his career and he can't throw to the sidelines.

I honestly think the QB Controversey for many bills fans would be clearer if you saw this from a different team. Like if carolina was going through the JP/Edwards debate, most of us with no doubt would side with Edwards. Yet because it's our team, we just don't know. JP is a good guy, but he isn't getting us anywhere. Who knows if Edwards can, but he seems to keep our defense on the sidelines a little longer. And the D, with the exception of the Pats game,has played really well. they just have the misfortune of playing the majority of the game. And in the last two games, they were pretty sharp when given time on the sidelines. Even if edwards isn't the next great thing, he is making winning more possible for the team.

This season isn't completely over for the Bills yet, and Edwards seems to give us the best chance to get back in it.

[mybills]

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a guy who hasn't shown us any ability to get the job done over 4 years

It's hard for any QB to get anything done when they're out for the season with an injury.

[Wraith]

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Most non-Bills fans I know recognize that Losman had a very good year last year and that that qualifies as "ability to get the job done."

[JJamezz]

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a guy who hasn't shown us any ability to get the job done over 4 years

It's hard for any QB to get anything done when they're out for the season with an injury.

Most non-Bills fans I know recognize that Losman had a very good year last year and that that qualifies as "ability to get the job done."

It all evens out.. Losman did not have a 'good year'.. he had a good 7-8 games.

[mybills]

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I think if you're gonna rag on a guy's abilities, you should get the facts straight.

[BlackMetalNinja]

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Somebody should make a hybrid QB... Pennington's QB brain and ability to read D's combined with Losman's arm! UNSTOPPABLE!!!!

[Wraith]

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It all evens out.. Losman did not have a 'good year'.. he had a good 7-8 games.

A common misconception but not true.

Losman, 2006, Games 1-8:

130/212 (61.3%), 1415 YDS (10.88 YPC, 6.68 YPA), 7 TD (3.3%), 6 INT (2.8%), 26 SACKS (10.9%), 80.2 RATING

Losman, 2006, Games 9-16:

138/217 (63.6%), 1636 YDS (11.85 YPC, 7.54 YPA), 12 TD (5.5%), 8 INT (3.6%), 21 SACKS (8.8%), 89.6 RATING

No question Losman was very good in the second half of the season but he was no slouch in the first half, either. The difference that effects peoples perceptions is of course the wins that started piling up in the second half of the season.

[trapezeus]

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at the beginning of the year i was willing to say JP played well in the end of the season, and he looked like he was going to put it together for a break out year this year. It hasn't happened. And if you look at his body of work, his 6-8 good games last year is hardly representative of where he's going.

The broncos and Steelers games were as bad as his first rookie games. The excuses have to stop at some point. i still think JP is a nice guy and has done the community a gigantic favor by stepping up. But in terms of being a top level QB or even mid level QB who can keep the chains moving, he has not done that. And he's not done that we we really needed it. When we actually had a chance to be something this year, it turned out to be talk. So, it's a little frustrating to hear people to ask for time, when we've given him plenty of time.

He played well at the end of 06 to earn the starting job this year. But he played poor enough in the first two games to have lost the job. Chances are, had he not gotten hurt during the pats game, he'd still not have started the jets game.

[mybills]

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What 4th year?

[mchurchfie]

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a guy who hasn't shown us any ability to get the job done over 4 years

It's hard for any QB to get anything done when they're out for the season with an injury.

He's been out for two games, that hardly qualifies as a season.

[mchurchfie]

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He played well at the end of 06 to earn the starting job this year. But he played poor enough in the first two games to have lost the job. Chances are, had he not gotten hurt during the pats game, he'd still not have started the jets game.

What is really distressing is the fact that he regressed back to making a lot of the rookie mistakes he made in his first games. He should be light years ahead of that at this stage in his career.