Chances Are Edwards won't have a great game this week!

[Patrick76777]

We're playing Baltimore and few QB's have great games against Baltimore.

Just need a decent game to win the games against the great teams.

Every player pads stats against weaker opponents.

[BlackMetalNinja]

We're playing Baltimore and few QB's have great games against Baltimore.

Just need a decent game to win the games against the great teams.

Every player pads stats against weaker opponents.

So where are Sabz and TD to complain about making excuses before the game is even played?

[Philagape]

The Ravens gave up 260 yards and a TD to Kellen Clemens; over 300 yards and 2 TDs to Warner/Leinart; and 204 and 2 TDs to Derek Anderson. They can be passed on. It's their rushing D that's stronger.

[Mitchy moo]

We'll see. If we win the game of field position and spend the afternoon in their end, we'll do just fine. See Moorman.

[THATHURMANATOR]

He needs to make some plays though.

[Bulldog]

I don't know about that. I saw the back-up QB for the Jets, Kellen Clemens, move the ball against the Ravens defense and if McCariens knew how to catch the damn ball, they would have won the game. The Ravens defense, while still very good, isn't what it once was. I just need to see the Buffalo offense and Edwards take some shots down field.

[TacklingDummy]

So where are Sabz and TD to complain about making excuses before the game is even played?

Trent doesn't need an excuse. He has the same free pass Losman got last year against the Ravens. :snicker:

[gr8slayer]

I personally hope he comes in and dominates.

[TacklingDummy]

I personally hope he comes in and dominates.

If the Bills win, it will be their 1st win against a team with a winning record, that's not named the Jets, since Kelly Holcomb led the Bills to an upset win Dec. 24, 2005 against the Bengals.

[trapezeus]

opening play should be a flea flicker. that might help give TE some time and catch the dfense napping. and i think Bills fans will clap just to see a shot taken at this point.

[LtBillsFan66]

Every player pads stats against weaker opponents.
Like Losman did against the Texans.

[raphael120]

If Edwards leads a win against the Ravens, keep his ass in there. If he struggles, i think we're going to get the exact same play from JP its just that i dont know how much more upside we'll get from JP, but I think there would be more upside to Trent because he's more of a heady QB than JP.

[TacklingDummy]

Like Losman did against the Texans.

And Miami.

[justasportsfan]

If the Bills win, it will be their 1st win against a team with a winning record, that's not named the Jets, since Kelly Holcomb led the Bills to an upset win Dec. 24, 2005 against the Bengals.
haha! Why didn't you include the bills beating the chiefs on NOv. 14 of the same year. You afraid that people will remember Losman won that game for us?

[TigerJ]

The Baltimore Defense is good against the run. I'm sure they will employ standard strategy for rookie QBs. Stack the box against the run, blitz a lot. Dare Edwards to pass and not give him a lot of time to throw downfield. Fortunately, Edwards' skill set matches up pretty well to that strategy. I expect Lynch will have another tough day and Edwards is going to have to complete a lot of passes to second and third receivers for modest yardage, as well as make some hot reads.

I would guess Fairchild is going to call some screen plays. Hopefully, he has a few plays up his sleeve that have the potential to hurt a team that plays a too agressive defense. It will be important for the Bills' blocking scheme to do a good job of blitz pickup.

[TacklingDummy]

haha! Why didn't you include the bills beating the chiefs on NOv. 14 of the same year. You afraid that people will remember Losman won that game for us?

Because that wouldn't be the Bills last win against a team with a winning record that is not named the Jets.

Unless you want me to say...If the Bills win, it will be their next to 1st win against a team with a winning record, that's not named the Jets, since the Defense created 4 turnovers and held the explosive KC offense to 3 points on Nov. 13, 2005. :snicker:

[justasportsfan]

Because that wouldn't be the Bills last win against a team with a winning record that is not named the Jets.haha! Nice try.

[Wraith]

If the Bills win, it will be their 1st win against a team with a winning record, that's not named the Jets, since Kelly Holcomb led the Bills to an upset win Dec. 24, 2005 against the Bengals.

Both Minnesota and Jacksonville had winning records when Losman led the Bills to wins against them last season.

[Dr. Lecter]

Both Minnesota and Jacksonville had winning records when Losman led the Bills to wins against them last season.

Don't confuse TD with facts.

He hates them.

[gr8slayer]

If the Bills win, it will be their 1st win against a team with a winning record, that's not named the Jets, since Kelly Holcomb led the Bills to an upset win Dec. 24, 2005 against the Bengals.
Yup, but if they lose the mediocrity at QB will continue.

[TacklingDummy]

Both Minnesota and Jacksonville had winning records when Losman led the Bills to wins against them last season.


Overall record.

The 49ers started out 2-0 this year. They have lost their last 3, staring loss #4 this week in the face. Just because they once had a winning record doesn't mean that they still weren't crap.

[Wraith]

Overall record.

The 49ers started out 2-0 this year. They have lost their last 3, staring loss #4 this week in the face. Just because they once had a winning record doesn't mean that they still weren't crap.

I knew you say that...I was hoping you'd say that....so predictable.

HOW IS THAT ANY DIFFERENT FROM BALTIMORE'S WINNING RECORD NOW?

[TacklingDummy]

Both Minnesota and Jacksonville had winning records when Losman led the Bills to wins against them last season.

I will play your game.

Both Minnesota and Jacksonville had winning records when the Bills Defense and McGahee led them to wins over them last season. :bad:

[gr8slayer]

I will play your game.

Both Minnesota and Jacksonville had winning records when the Bills Defense and McGahee led them to wins over them last season. :bad:
Who was starting at QB in those games?

[Dr. Lecter]

Who was starting at QB in those games?

That does not matter!

Only when the Bills lose, does JP count.

[TacklingDummy]

Who was starting at QB in those games?

Could have been anyone and the Bills still would have won. :bad:

Just like most of the games the Bills won when Losman was the starter. Which is not many.

[Wraith]

TD can play his little games. The point has been made.

[justasportsfan]

I will play your game.

Both Minnesota and Jacksonville had winning records when the Bills Defense and McGahee led them to wins over them last season. :bad:kinda like the bills D won all those games for Flutie?

[mybills]

The Ravens gave up 260 yards and a TD to Kellen Clemens; over 300 yards and 2 TDs to Warner/Leinart; and 204 and 2 TDs to Derek Anderson. They can be passed on. It's their rushing D that's stronger.

It's a catch 22. Trent has to get rid of the ball fast, which he can do, but he has to throw further than 20 yds or it won't matter.

[TacklingDummy]

kinda like the bills D won all those games for Flutie?

Did you forget the conversation we had last month about this subject? You seem to have forgot all the mutliple TD pass games Flutie had a Bill. And if I recall correctly DF never started a Bills game and threw for less than 100 yards. Something JP has done 5 times out of 27.

[PECKERWOOD]

So where are Sabz and TD to complain about making excuses before the game is even played?

My thoughts exactly, sir.

Let me pull a Sabz/TD, the TRENTARD'S ARE MAKING EXCUSES ALREADY! :snicker:

[deepslant]

Ravens is starting Boller so we should control the clock this week if we can pass and block effectively.

[Philagape]

It's a catch 22. Trent has to get rid of the ball fast, which he can do, but he has to throw further than 20 yds or it won't matter.

Only if we need 20 yards.

I think the biggest concern is avoiding mistakes. We can march down the field, but converting in the red zone is key.

[TacklingDummy]

Let me pull a Sabz/TD, the TRENTARD'S ARE MAKING EXCUSES ALREADY! :snicker:

I don't see anyone making excuses for Trent. That's the difference between being a "Licker" and being "Trentard".

[mybills]

"Only if we need 20 yards."

Their front 7 will be all over it...so throw it further.

[Philagape]

Get open further.

[mybills]

He doesn't trust the receivers yet. It will come in time.
I don't see us winning this game. :idunno:

[BlackMetalNinja]

I don't see anyone making excuses for Trent. That's the difference between being a "Licker" and being "Trentard".

Read the first post and title of the thread...

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showpost.php?p=2160415&postcount=1

[TacklingDummy]

Read the first post and title of the thread...

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showpost.php?p=2160415&postcount=1


Patrick is an known "Licker".

Can't bash "Trentards" for something a "Licker" did.

[justasportsfan]

Did you forget the conversation we had last month about this subject? You seem to have forgot all the mutliple TD pass games Flutie had a Bill. And if I recall correctly DF never started a Bills game and threw for less than 100 yards. Something JP has done 5 times out of 27.

Yes I remember. We won inspite of DF. You forgetting that DF had Moulds and a great D oh and while we're at it, Wade :D .

[Philagape]

He doesn't trust the receivers yet. It will come in time.
I don't see us winning this game. :idunno:

I don't trust the receivers either.

[mybills]

:spit:

[Patrick76777]

Read the first post and title of the thread...

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showpost.php?p=2160415&postcount=1


Perhaps I was misunderstood. My thought process the last few days has been that who ever they choose, will likely have a tough go against a very good defense and will get eaten alive by the fans of the other guy.

that's all.

As a fan, I no longer hitch my wagons to an individual player. I was not pulling for either guy. Would I perfer Edwards, yes, but I refused to be mad if they picked JP.

I just want to win. If Edwards is no good, we'll find out soon enough. It's not like it's going to cost us a shot at the division.

[BlackMetalNinja]

Perhaps I was misunderstood. My thought process the last few days has been that who ever they choose, will likely have a tough go against a very good defense and will get eaten alive by the fans of the other guy.

that's all.

As a fan, I no longer hitch my wagons to an individual player. I was not pulling for either guy. Would I perfer Edwards, yes, but I refused to be mad if they picked JP.

I just want to win. If Edwards is no good, we'll find out soon enough. It's not like it's going to cost us a shot at the division.

I agree with you completely, and I didn't mean to imply that you were making excuses. My point is that TD and Sabz constantly jump all over anybody saying anything similar about Losman, yet they turn a blind eye when it's about somebody other than Losman.

[TacklingDummy]

I agree with you completely, and I didn't mean to imply that you were making excuses. My point is that TD and Sabz constantly jump all over anybody saying anything similar about Losman, yet they turn a blind eye when it's about somebody other than Losman.

How have I turned a "Blind Eye"? Edwards made a terrible throw last game which is one of the reasons the Bills lost to Denver. He gets blame just like Losman would if he made such a terrible pass. (See Ravens last year week 17)

I haven't made up any excuses for Trent's 1 terrible pass.

I'm not the one making up excuses (not saying you are) like, "JP in his 3rd year is basically a rookie" , "the O-line", "The Coaching", "Vets throwing him under the bus", "McGahee missed a block" etc... Give me a break.

[justasportsfan]

I agree with you completely, and I didn't mean to imply that you were making excuses. My point is that TD and Sabz constantly jump all over anybody saying anything similar about Losman, yet they turn a blind eye when it's about somebody other than Losman.
I agree.

[Patrick76777]

How have I turned a "Blind Eye"? Edwards made a terrible throw last game which is one of the reasons the Bills lost to Denver. He gets blame just like Losman would if he made such a terrible pass. (See Ravens last year week 17)

I haven't made up any excuses for Trent's 1 terrible pass.


What I don't understand are the Holcomb/Penninton Comparisons. Makes no sense to me.

Bills beat reporter on GR says he was at TC all year and those are unfound. Edwards can in fact go deep.

[justasportsfan]

What I don't understand are the Holcomb/Penninton Comparisons. Makes no sense to me.

Bills beat reporter on GR says he was at TC all year and those are unfound. Edwards can in fact go deep.
He can but he was all checkdown at camp .

[Patrick76777]

He can but he was all checkdown at camp .


Nothing wrong with checking down! If JP knew how to do it, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

[TacklingDummy]

Nothing wrong with checking down! If JP knew how to do it, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

JP does it well. What JP lacks is the pass plays between 11-30 yards.

[justasportsfan]

Nothing wrong with checking down! If JP knew how to do it, we wouldn't be having this conversation.I never said there was anything wrong (back then). Just saying what transpired at camp. Ask Mikey. This time though, he needs more than just checkdowns. We're not going anyhere unless he starts throwing deep. He better start doing it this Sunday.

[TacklingDummy]

JP Losman...Last Year

Between Behind the line and 10 yards: 217-302, 1705 yards, 71%, 9 TDs, 6 Ints, 87.14 Rating

JP Losman between 11-30 yards: 42-101, 877 yards, 41%, 4 TDs, 7 Ints. 57.24 Rating.

JP playing like Holcomb is not the problem. The problem with JP is his mid-range game. It's terrible.

[Mitchy moo]

JP Losman...Last Year

Between Behind the line and 10 yards: 217-302, 1705 yards, 71%, 9 TDs, 6 Ints, 87.14 Rating

JP Losman between 11-30 yards: 42-101, 877 yards, 41%, 4 TDs, 7 Ints. 57.24 Rating.

JP playing like Holcomb is not the problem. The problem with JP is his mid-range game. It's terrible.

It's tough to throw longer passes from the sidelines, problems solved.

[Bone]

HES A ROOKIE PEOPLE

[TacklingDummy]

JP Losman...Last Year

Between Behind the line and 10 yards: 217-302, 1705 yards, 71%, 9 TDs, 6 Ints, 87.14 Rating

JP Losman between 11-30 yards: 42-101, 877 yards, 41%, 4 TDs, 7 Ints. 57.24 Rating.

JP playing like Holcomb is not the problem. The problem with JP is his mid-range game. It's terrible.

In Comparison...with other QBs that passes went in the air 11-30 yards.

Last Year Manning: 101-169, 1886 yrds, 59% 9 TD, 3 Ints., 108.7 Rating

This Year Manning: 28-48, 613 yrds., 58%, 3 TDs, 1 Int. 114.9 Rating

Last Year Palmer: 76-148, 1592 yards, 51%, 9 TDs, 5 Ints. 95.8 Rating

(TY)Rivers: 29-50, 559 yards, 57%, 2 TDs, 1 INT, 101.9 Rating

(LY)Rivers: 75-132, 1407 yards, 56%, 8 TDs, 4 Ints. Rating 101.4

(TY)Big Ben: 24-47, 479 yards, 51%, 2 TDs, 1 INT, 92.4 Rating

(TY)Romo: 41-78, 867 yards, 52%, 8 TDs, 5 INTS, 99.6 Rating

(TY)Brady: 50-120, 1088 yards, 41%, 4 TDs, 5 INTs, 68.3 Rating

(TY)Anderson: 39-71, 818 yards, 54%, 7 TDs, 3 INTS, 111.1 Rating

(LY)Garcia: 28-50, 538 yards. 56%. 3 TDS, 1 INts, 105.2 Rating

(TY)Favre: 23-46, 518 yards, 50%, 3 TDs, 2 Ints, 94.2 Rating

Like I've said, the problem with JP is his mid-range passing.

[justasportsfan]

In Comparison...with other QBs that passes went in the air 11-30 yards.

Last Year Manning: 101-169, 1886 yrds, 59% 9 TD, 3 Ints., 108.7 Rating

This Year Manning: 28-48, 613 yrds., 58%, 3 TDs, 1 Int. 114.9 Rating

Last Year Palmer: 76-148, 1592 yards, 51%, 9 TDs, 5 Ints. 95.8 Rating

(TY)Rivers: 29-50, 559 yards, 57%, 2 TDs, 1 INT, 101.9 Rating

(LY)Rivers: 75-132, 1407 yards, 56%, 8 TDs, 4 Ints. Rating 101.4

(TY)Big Ben: 24-47, 479 yards, 51%, 2 TDs, 1 INT, 92.4 Rating

(TY)Romo: 41-78, 867 yards, 52%, 8 TDs, 5 INTS, 99.6 Rating

(TY)Brady: 50-120, 1088 yards, 41%, 4 TDs, 5 INTs, 68.3 Rating

(TY)Anderson: 39-71, 818 yards, 54%, 7 TDs, 3 INTS, 111.1 Rating

(LY)Garcia: 28-50, 538 yards. 56%. 3 TDS, 1 INts, 105.2 Rating

(TY)Favre: 23-46, 518 yards, 50%, 3 TDs, 2 Ints, 94.2 Rating

Like I've said, the problem with JP is his mid-range passing.

How many of those qb's were learning a new system? How many of them had a TE who didn't need to help block for the OL? Heaven knows TE's are vital in the mid-range area.

So if you're going to bring stats at least bring the ones in a similar situation as last years bills otherwise it's apples and oranges.

Another sad attempt to disparage Losman by pointing out half the story.

[TacklingDummy]

How many of those qb's were learning a new system? How many of them had a TE who didn't need to help block for the OL? Heaven knows TE's are vital in the mid-range area.

So if you're going to bring stats at least bring the ones in a similar situation as last years bills otherwise it's apples and oranges.

Another sad attempt to disparage Losman by pointing out half the story.

What you brought up is basically your opinion. I brought up facts. (stats) Try having something that backs up your arguement.

[TacklingDummy]

You're right Justa, JP does no wrong, it's always someone elses fault, there is nothing wrong with JPs mid-range game. Completing 41% of his passes with a QB rating of 57.2 is excellent.

[LtBillsFan66]

How many of those qb's were learning a new system? How many of them had a TE who didn't need to help block for the OL? Heaven knows TE's are vital in the mid-range area.

So if you're going to bring stats at least bring the ones in a similar situation as last years bills otherwise it's apples and oranges.

Another sad attempt to disparage Losman by pointing out half the story.

Can say the same for Bledsoe too!

[TacklingDummy]

Can say the same for Bledsoe too!

Or Anderson, who? That kid in Cleveland.

Or Romo and Rivers, first year starters.

Or Garica, new team.

[justasportsfan]

What you brought up is basically your opinion. I brought up facts. (stats) Try having something that backs up your arguement.
you brought up facts that have nothing to do with the Bills or JP's inability to throw mid-range passes. The QB's that you brought are playing with different players. Next time, bring up facts in relation to the point you're trying to make.

You look so desperate that you're pulling crap from anywhere to try and disparage Losman. Maybe you're infatuated and don't know it yet .

[TacklingDummy]

you brought up facts that have nothing to do with the Bills or JP's inability to throw mid-range passes. The QB's that you brought are playing with different players. Next time, bring up facts in relation to the point you're trying to make.



JPs mid-range passing stats. have nothing to do with the Bills? By comparing JPs Mid-range stats. to other QBs Mid-range stats. shows where JP is struggling in his game.

None of the QB I brought up play with the same players as the other QB. But yet all have superior Mid-range passing games compared to JP.

[justasportsfan]

Or Anderson, who? That kid in Cleveland.

Or Romo and Rivers, first year starters.

Or Garica, new team.
again , apples and oanges. Neither of those qb's would've done anything if they were here instead of JP

[justasportsfan]

JPs mid-range passing stats. have nothing to do with the Bills? .
the nos. of those qb's don't.





JPs shows where JP is struggling in his game.

None of the QB I brought up play with the same players as the other QB. But yet all have superior Mid-range passing games compared to JP..well DUh. Manning? Rivers has Gates and LT and one of if not the best OL . Ben has a better OL that what we had. Almost all of them had more than a converted undrafted TE. All of them had a better understanding of their O.

[TacklingDummy]

JP is that you?

[justasportsfan]

JP is that you?

your comeback is as pathetic as your attempt to use other qb's stats to disparage JP. Try again :D

[SABURZFAN]

My thoughts exactly, sir.

Let me pull a Sabz/TD, the TRENTARD'S ARE MAKING EXCUSES ALREADY! :snicker:



you haven't learned your lesson yet,have you?when this thing turns into a pissing match,are you going to cry to the Mods......AGAIN????are you going to start ANOTHER whiny post how it isn't fair that you got warning points when YOU are the one starting personal attacks?anytime you feel froggy.........LEAP!!!!!!!!!but deep down,you know you don't want that.

[SABURZFAN]

My point is that TD and Sabz constantly jump all over anybody saying anything similar about Losman, yet they turn a blind eye when it's about somebody other than Losman.


when in doubt,just go to Licker 101: Year 1


type in excuses in the search and they should pop up for you. :up:

[SABURZFAN]

What you brought up is basically your opinion. I brought up facts. (stats) Try having something that backs up your arguement.



DAMN!!!!!!!!!justa's getting owned again.some things just do not change. :shakeno:

[churchinski]

your comeback is as pathetic as your attempt to use other qb's stats to disparage JP. Try again :D
disparaging Jp ?

not really neccessary , his QBing eliminates any need for that