You stop Evans, you stop Losman..

[patmoran2006]

I was going through a ton of box scores over the past few years, and I noticed a huge trend. You slow down Lee Evans, and you're shutting down JP Losman. Pretty much every good game Losman has had was due to Evans having a monster day. If this guy is going to be a starter for one more week, or for the next five years; he better start finding other guys to get the ball to when Evans is getting double teamed to death.


Here are JP Losman's best 6 games with the Bills

Cincinnati (2007-Week 9)- 24-34, 295 yards, 1 TD, 1 Int
Lee Evans: 9 rec, 165 Yards, TD

New York Jets (2006 Week 3): 22-38, 328 yards, 1 TD, 1 Int
Lee Evans: 8 rec, 107 yards, TD

Minnesota (2006 Week 4): 23-32, 224 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
Lee Evans: 7 rec, 92 yards.

Houston (2006 Week 11): 26-38, 340 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT
Lee Evans: 11 rec, 265 yards, 2TD

MIami (2006 Week 15): 13-19, 200 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT
Lee Evans: 3 rec, 67 yards, TD

Miami (2005 Week 13): 13-26, 224 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT
Lee Evans: 5 rec, 117 yards, 3 TD

Here is a 6-pack of JP Losman's worst games...

Miami (2007 Week 10): 12-23, 157 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT
Lee Evans: 4 rec, 65 yards.

Chicago (2006 Week 5): 14-27, 115 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT
Lee Evans: 9 rec, 94 yards, TD (still had a soild game obviously)

Green Bay (2006 Week 9): 8-15, 102 yards, 1 TD
Lee Evans: 2 rec, 58 yards, TD

Tampa Bay (2005 Week 2): 11-28, 113 yards
Lee Evans: 1 Rec, 12 yards

Atlanta (2005 Week 3) 10-23, 75 yards, INT
Lee Evans: 2 rec, 7 yards

New Orleans (2005 Week 4): 7-15, 75 yards, INT
Lee Evans: 2 rec, 27 yards

New England (2005 Week 14): 10-27, 181 yards, TD, 3 INT
Lee Evans: 4 rec, 83 yards.


What do the FACTS show:
In order for Losman to have a good game, Lee Evans must have a great game. YOu double team and slow down Evans, and 9 times out of 10 Losman's having a terrible game.

[shelby]

Valid point.

[Crisis]

The quality of defenses in both lists isn't too surprising either.

[mchurchfie]

I'm sure Bellichick will make your point even more valid this Sunday.

[don137]

Until you get a reliable second receiver that will always be the case. Unless you are Tom Brady the same can be said for almost ay QB if they only have one receiving threat.

[mchurchfie]

If I was JP I would be getting it into the hands of Roscoe and Lynch a much as possible. Both of those guys have gamebreaker speed, you'd be surprised what a little dumpoff to them might turn into. But he has to make a more concerted effort to do it, not just toss them a bone once in awhile and hone back in on Evans. Gaines isn't all that bad of an option or Reed for that matter either.

[acehole]

Wow Pat. Thanks for the 1 + 1 = 2 post.
Can we make macaroni necklaces now?


I was going through a ton of box scores over the past few years, and I noticed a huge trend. You slow down Lee Evans, and you're shutting down JP Losman. Pretty much every good game Losman has had was due to Evans having a monster day. If this guy is going to be a starter for one more week, or for the next five years; he better start finding other guys to get the ball to when Evans is getting double teamed to death.


Here are JP Losman's best 6 games with the Bills

Cincinnati (2007-Week 9)- 24-34, 295 yards, 1 TD, 1 Int
Lee Evans: 9 rec, 165 Yards, TD

New York Jets (2006 Week 3): 22-38, 328 yards, 1 TD, 1 Int
Lee Evans: 8 rec, 107 yards, TD

Minnesota (2006 Week 4): 23-32, 224 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
Lee Evans: 7 rec, 92 yards.

Houston (2006 Week 11): 26-38, 340 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT
Lee Evans: 11 rec, 265 yards, 2TD

MIami (2006 Week 15): 13-19, 200 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT
Lee Evans: 3 rec, 67 yards, TD

Miami (2005 Week 13): 13-26, 224 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT
Lee Evans: 5 rec, 117 yards, 3 TD

Here is a 6-pack of JP Losman's worst games...

Miami (2007 Week 10): 12-23, 157 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT
Lee Evans: 4 rec, 65 yards.

Chicago (2006 Week 5): 14-27, 115 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT
Lee Evans: 9 rec, 94 yards, TD (still had a soild game obviously)

Green Bay (2006 Week 9): 8-15, 102 yards, 1 TD
Lee Evans: 2 rec, 58 yards, TD

Tampa Bay (2005 Week 2): 11-28, 113 yards
Lee Evans: 1 Rec, 12 yards

Atlanta (2005 Week 3) 10-23, 75 yards, INT
Lee Evans: 2 rec, 7 yards

New Orleans (2005 Week 4): 7-15, 75 yards, INT
Lee Evans: 2 rec, 27 yards

New England (2005 Week 14): 10-27, 181 yards, TD, 3 INT
Lee Evans: 4 rec, 83 yards.


What do the FACTS show:
In order for Losman to have a good game, Lee Evans must have a great game. YOu double team and slow down Evans, and 9 times out of 10 Losman's having a terrible game.

[Mr. Pink]

That comes down to game planning too.

Apparently we don't believe in screens to Lynch all that often. We don't believe in quick outs to Parrish. We don't believe in quick slants to Reed - who is supposed to be our possession receiver. And we don't believe in short hooks to the TE.

It also comes down to the fact Losman locks on to Evans at least 40% of the passing plays and doesn't look for anyone else. At least it appears that way watching the game.

[djjimkelly]

I was going through a ton of box scores over the past few years, and I noticed a huge trend. You slow down Lee Evans, and you're shutting down JP Losman. Pretty much every good game Losman has had was due to Evans having a monster day. If this guy is going to be a starter for one more week, or for the next five years; he better start finding other guys to get the ball to when Evans is getting double teamed to death.


Here are JP Losman's best 6 games with the Bills

Cincinnati (2007-Week 9)- 24-34, 295 yards, 1 TD, 1 Int
Lee Evans: 9 rec, 165 Yards, TD

New York Jets (2006 Week 3): 22-38, 328 yards, 1 TD, 1 Int
Lee Evans: 8 rec, 107 yards, TD

Minnesota (2006 Week 4): 23-32, 224 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
Lee Evans: 7 rec, 92 yards.

Houston (2006 Week 11): 26-38, 340 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT
Lee Evans: 11 rec, 265 yards, 2TD

MIami (2006 Week 15): 13-19, 200 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT
Lee Evans: 3 rec, 67 yards, TD

Miami (2005 Week 13): 13-26, 224 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT
Lee Evans: 5 rec, 117 yards, 3 TD

Here is a 6-pack of JP Losman's worst games...

Miami (2007 Week 10): 12-23, 157 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT
Lee Evans: 4 rec, 65 yards.

Chicago (2006 Week 5): 14-27, 115 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT
Lee Evans: 9 rec, 94 yards, TD (still had a soild game obviously)

Green Bay (2006 Week 9): 8-15, 102 yards, 1 TD
Lee Evans: 2 rec, 58 yards, TD

Tampa Bay (2005 Week 2): 11-28, 113 yards
Lee Evans: 1 Rec, 12 yards

Atlanta (2005 Week 3) 10-23, 75 yards, INT
Lee Evans: 2 rec, 7 yards

New Orleans (2005 Week 4): 7-15, 75 yards, INT
Lee Evans: 2 rec, 27 yards

New England (2005 Week 14): 10-27, 181 yards, TD, 3 INT
Lee Evans: 4 rec, 83 yards.


What do the FACTS show:
In order for Losman to have a good game, Lee Evans must have a great game. YOu double team and slow down Evans, and 9 times out of 10 Losman's having a terrible game.


great observation pat lol i didnt know we had a solid #2 option for any qb on our roster to truly goto

[camelcowboy]

Wow Pat. Thanks for the 1 + 1 = 2 post.
Can we make macaroni necklaces now? No but you spelled macaroni correctly heres a gold star.

[BAM]

This thread actually made me laugh out loud.

[RockStar36]

Who exactly does he have to throw the ball to besides Evans?

I like Parrish and Reed but they aren't exactly a #2 receiver. I'm sure if Losman had a legit #2 it wouldn't be this way. Anyways, it is because they don't have one so hopefully he figures something out by Sunday night.

[camelcowboy]

Who exactly does he have to throw the ball to besides Evans?

I like Parrish and Reed but they aren't exactly a #2 receiver. I'm sure if Losman had a legit #2 it wouldn't be this way. Anyways, it is because they don't have one so hopefully he figures something out by Sunday night.I would like to see that running back of ours gets some balls thrown his way.

[Bufftp]

Valid point.
not really, conversly with those stats if you slow down Lossman you slow down Evans. In order for Evans to have a good game JP has to be on.
Evans doesn't toss the ball to himself. Football is a team sport and is more complicated than Moran would have you believe.

Those stats may be indicative of
1) no real second or third reciever threat.
2) Bad pass protection by the line.
3) Poor run game.
4) Bad game planning.

Or a combination of the above.

[patmoran2006]

not totally blaming Losman for offensive woes over the past few years.

In part it's because our FO has failed to acquire a lot of talent on the offensive side of the ball. Reed and Royal are hard workers, but they're not going to change games.

But in going through three years of stats, its incredible that when Evans has bad numbers, JP's QB rating plummets.

[HHURRICANE]

Losman is easy to beat. Rush alot and cover Evans. At least Trent, as a rookie, will see the blitz and make the right read.

If we win this game or keep it close it won't be on the account of anything JP does. I promise that.

[Bufftp]

Losman is easy to beat. Rush alot and cover Evans. At least Trent, as a rookie, will see the blitz and make the right read.

If we win this game or keep it close it won't be on the account of anything JP does. I promise that.
I would agree if Trent allowed plays to devolp instead of dumping off so quickly. Really blitzes never have time develop. True though, to Trents credit he does complete that pass 2 yards behind the line of scrimmage regularly, and more often than Losman.

[HHURRICANE]

I would agree if Trent allowed plays to devolp instead of dumping off so quickly. Really blitzes never have time develop. True though, to Trents credit he does complete that pass 2 yards behind the line of scrimmage regularly, and more often than Losman.

Typical, lie and exaggerate to prove a false point.

Much to my disappointment, this will play itself out at the expense of our win and loss record.

[Bufftp]

Typical, lie and exaggerate to prove a false point.

Much to my disappointment, this will play itself out at the expense of our win and loss record.
thanks mr. reasonable.

[RockStar36]

I would like to see that running back of ours gets some balls thrown his way.

He doesn't?

[mchurchfie]

He doesn't?
About two times a game.

[Mr. Pink]

He doesn't?
not often enough.

15 catches for 120 yards and 0 scores thus far.

We should get the ball in this guy's had 3-5 times per game in the passing game. Optimally an average of 4 catches per game would be nice as that would equate to 64 catches on the year.

Even if he kept the paltry 8 YPC average, that would still be 512 yards of offense.
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[camelcowboy]

He doesn't?Im not being critical of any qb i just feel lynch needs to at least 5-10 more touches a game. The fact he's not used in the passing game just shows the coaching staff has much more to learn.

[G. Host]

Losman was able to distribute ball well against Bengals and I hoped it was the start of a trend but one game does not make a trend.

[Mr. Cynical]

BB is going to do one thing. Confuse the ^&$ out of JP so he'll look like a deer in the headlights, jump around and then throw a bomb to the triple covered Evans which will of course be picked off.

It's going to be the worst blowout of the year.

[RedEyE]

Really trying not to discount your points here Pat, but what are Losman's stats in the way of hurries, ints, fumbles and sacks in each of those games listed?

My point is that perhaps the problem isn't stopping Evans, but applying the right pressure on Losman. I mean let's face facts, when was the last time you saw Losman beat the blitz continously to win a football game? He gets happy feet back there and freezes when the pressure is on.

I mean there is some hoenst validity to your post, but stats can be misleading.

Personally, I'd have to revisit each one of the games you listed and see where Evans was and what was happening to Losman to isolate the debate.

[YardRat]

That comes down to game planning too.

Apparently we don't believe in screens to Lynch all that often. We don't believe in quick outs to Parrish. We don't believe in quick slants to Reed - who is supposed to be our possession receiver. And we don't believe in short hooks to the TE.

It also comes down to the fact Losman locks on to Evans at least 40% of the passing plays and doesn't look for anyone else. At least it appears that way watching the game.

You're third paragraph answers the second one, I believe. The routes are there, they just need to be taken advantage of by the QB. You can't throw a quick out, a quick slant, or a short hook and hang on to the ball looking deep at the same time.

I think it frustrates many that the short to medium routes aren't being used to set up the long ball, but that falls into the QB's lap, not the OC's.

[YardRat]

BTW...As far as the original post, that's not exactly 'breaking news'. JP has been flamed for locking onto Evan's too much since the beginning. If fans have been able to figure that out over the years, I'm sure not too many coaching staffs have missed it.

[PECKERWOOD]

Macaroni necklaces! HAHAHA! Great line!

Honestly, though? This isn't surprising. Since when have we had a WR other than Lee Evans who was worth a damn? I'm not sold on Losman either, but we atleast need to get more weapons for Trent so he can be successful next season.

[hammerbillsfan]

Who exactly does he have to throw the ball to besides Evans?

throw it to me, i'm in the endzone all the time

[Typ0]

JP Losman stops himself due to the mental midget factor. When JP regresses into his mental midget puddle he has a bad day and that in turn causes Evans to have a bad day. Lickers stop at nothing to make excuses for Lossmans crappy play.

[Typ0]

I would agree if Trent allowed plays to devolp instead of dumping off so quickly. Really blitzes never have time develop. True though, to Trents credit he does complete that pass 2 yards behind the line of scrimmage regularly, and more often than Losman.

another licker load of crap. This is not what TE does. He plays smart is what he does. You should try watching some of the games you must be busy all the time and not actually seeing these guys play.

Last week, against one of if not the worst team in the league JP stood in the pocket looking no where but 50 yards downfield, totally missed throwing the ball to wide open receivers 30 yards down field, and took sacks because of it. Every time TE has played he's done hands and foot better at reading defenses, making adjustments, and actually getting the ball into the hands of the guys that should be getting us the yards. JP doesn't even come close to doing that. JP is the worst joke that has ever been played on this organization and you lickers are brainwashed.

[colin]

i don't think you can say that jp just doesn't have anyone else to throw to.

moulds had his numbers go bad when JP came in in 05. price didn't get many looks, reed is non existant, roscoe only ever got passes when a rook was in there.

even against the jets, jp threw a horrible pass that lee magically got. he put up a horrible pass towards evans against cincy and it got picked. he put up a horrible pass to evans against miami and it got picked.

that is in his most recent 3 games as our qb. this is his fourth year. all those games were against bad bad Ds. he is doing the same sheet he did in his first and second years.

jp just isn't a good qb. lee IS a good WR, but jp is plainly not a good QB.