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  • patmoran2006
    Ole' Ralphie SCROOGE
    • Dec 2005
    • 19840
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    You stop Evans, you stop Losman..

    I was going through a ton of box scores over the past few years, and I noticed a huge trend. You slow down Lee Evans, and you're shutting down JP Losman. Pretty much every good game Losman has had was due to Evans having a monster day. If this guy is going to be a starter for one more week, or for the next five years; he better start finding other guys to get the ball to when Evans is getting double teamed to death.


    Here are JP Losman's best 6 games with the Bills

    Cincinnati (2007-Week 9)- 24-34, 295 yards, 1 TD, 1 Int
    Lee Evans: 9 rec, 165 Yards, TD

    New York Jets (2006 Week 3): 22-38, 328 yards, 1 TD, 1 Int
    Lee Evans: 8 rec, 107 yards, TD

    Minnesota (2006 Week 4): 23-32, 224 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
    Lee Evans: 7 rec, 92 yards.

    Houston (2006 Week 11): 26-38, 340 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT
    Lee Evans: 11 rec, 265 yards, 2TD

    MIami (2006 Week 15): 13-19, 200 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT
    Lee Evans: 3 rec, 67 yards, TD

    Miami (2005 Week 13): 13-26, 224 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT
    Lee Evans: 5 rec, 117 yards, 3 TD

    Here is a 6-pack of JP Losman's worst games...

    Miami (2007 Week 10): 12-23, 157 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT
    Lee Evans: 4 rec, 65 yards.

    Chicago (2006 Week 5): 14-27, 115 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT
    Lee Evans: 9 rec, 94 yards, TD (still had a soild game obviously)

    Green Bay (2006 Week 9): 8-15, 102 yards, 1 TD
    Lee Evans: 2 rec, 58 yards, TD

    Tampa Bay (2005 Week 2): 11-28, 113 yards
    Lee Evans: 1 Rec, 12 yards

    Atlanta (2005 Week 3) 10-23, 75 yards, INT
    Lee Evans: 2 rec, 7 yards

    New Orleans (2005 Week 4): 7-15, 75 yards, INT
    Lee Evans: 2 rec, 27 yards

    New England (2005 Week 14): 10-27, 181 yards, TD, 3 INT
    Lee Evans: 4 rec, 83 yards.


    What do the FACTS show:
    In order for Losman to have a good game, Lee Evans must have a great game. YOu double team and slow down Evans, and 9 times out of 10 Losman's having a terrible game.


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  • shelby
    The Vanilla *****
    • Jul 2002
    • 48489
    #2
    Re: You stop Evans, you stop Losman..

    Valid point.

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    • Crisis
      Registered User
      • Aug 2004
      • 12738
      #3
      Re: You stop Evans, you stop Losman..

      The quality of defenses in both lists isn't too surprising either.
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      • mchurchfie
        Registered User
        • Jul 2002
        • 13418
        #4
        Re: You stop Evans, you stop Losman..

        I'm sure Bellichick will make your point even more valid this Sunday.
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        • don137
          Registered User
          • Jul 2002
          • 7720
          #5
          Re: You stop Evans, you stop Losman..

          Until you get a reliable second receiver that will always be the case. Unless you are Tom Brady the same can be said for almost ay QB if they only have one receiving threat.
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          • mchurchfie
            Registered User
            • Jul 2002
            • 13418
            #6
            Re: You stop Evans, you stop Losman..

            If I was JP I would be getting it into the hands of Roscoe and Lynch a much as possible. Both of those guys have gamebreaker speed, you'd be surprised what a little dumpoff to them might turn into. But he has to make a more concerted effort to do it, not just toss them a bone once in awhile and hone back in on Evans. Gaines isn't all that bad of an option or Reed for that matter either.
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            • acehole
              Registered User
              • Jan 2006
              • 4877
              #7
              Re: You stop Evans, you stop Losman..

              Wow Pat. Thanks for the 1 + 1 = 2 post.
              Can we make macaroni necklaces now?

              Originally posted by patmoran2006
              I was going through a ton of box scores over the past few years, and I noticed a huge trend. You slow down Lee Evans, and you're shutting down JP Losman. Pretty much every good game Losman has had was due to Evans having a monster day. If this guy is going to be a starter for one more week, or for the next five years; he better start finding other guys to get the ball to when Evans is getting double teamed to death.


              Here are JP Losman's best 6 games with the Bills

              Cincinnati (2007-Week 9)- 24-34, 295 yards, 1 TD, 1 Int
              Lee Evans: 9 rec, 165 Yards, TD

              New York Jets (2006 Week 3): 22-38, 328 yards, 1 TD, 1 Int
              Lee Evans: 8 rec, 107 yards, TD

              Minnesota (2006 Week 4): 23-32, 224 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
              Lee Evans: 7 rec, 92 yards.

              Houston (2006 Week 11): 26-38, 340 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT
              Lee Evans: 11 rec, 265 yards, 2TD

              MIami (2006 Week 15): 13-19, 200 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT
              Lee Evans: 3 rec, 67 yards, TD

              Miami (2005 Week 13): 13-26, 224 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT
              Lee Evans: 5 rec, 117 yards, 3 TD

              Here is a 6-pack of JP Losman's worst games...

              Miami (2007 Week 10): 12-23, 157 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT
              Lee Evans: 4 rec, 65 yards.

              Chicago (2006 Week 5): 14-27, 115 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT
              Lee Evans: 9 rec, 94 yards, TD (still had a soild game obviously)

              Green Bay (2006 Week 9): 8-15, 102 yards, 1 TD
              Lee Evans: 2 rec, 58 yards, TD

              Tampa Bay (2005 Week 2): 11-28, 113 yards
              Lee Evans: 1 Rec, 12 yards

              Atlanta (2005 Week 3) 10-23, 75 yards, INT
              Lee Evans: 2 rec, 7 yards

              New Orleans (2005 Week 4): 7-15, 75 yards, INT
              Lee Evans: 2 rec, 27 yards

              New England (2005 Week 14): 10-27, 181 yards, TD, 3 INT
              Lee Evans: 4 rec, 83 yards.


              What do the FACTS show:
              In order for Losman to have a good game, Lee Evans must have a great game. YOu double team and slow down Evans, and 9 times out of 10 Losman's having a terrible game.
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              • Mr. Pink
                Peterman Sucks!
                • Mar 2006
                • 35303
                #8
                Re: You stop Evans, you stop Losman..

                That comes down to game planning too.

                Apparently we don't believe in screens to Lynch all that often. We don't believe in quick outs to Parrish. We don't believe in quick slants to Reed - who is supposed to be our possession receiver. And we don't believe in short hooks to the TE.

                It also comes down to the fact Losman locks on to Evans at least 40% of the passing plays and doesn't look for anyone else. At least it appears that way watching the game.
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                • djjimkelly
                  Registered User
                  • Apr 2003
                  • 7045
                  #9
                  Re: You stop Evans, you stop Losman..

                  Originally posted by patmoran2006
                  I was going through a ton of box scores over the past few years, and I noticed a huge trend. You slow down Lee Evans, and you're shutting down JP Losman. Pretty much every good game Losman has had was due to Evans having a monster day. If this guy is going to be a starter for one more week, or for the next five years; he better start finding other guys to get the ball to when Evans is getting double teamed to death.


                  Here are JP Losman's best 6 games with the Bills

                  Cincinnati (2007-Week 9)- 24-34, 295 yards, 1 TD, 1 Int
                  Lee Evans: 9 rec, 165 Yards, TD

                  New York Jets (2006 Week 3): 22-38, 328 yards, 1 TD, 1 Int
                  Lee Evans: 8 rec, 107 yards, TD

                  Minnesota (2006 Week 4): 23-32, 224 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
                  Lee Evans: 7 rec, 92 yards.

                  Houston (2006 Week 11): 26-38, 340 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT
                  Lee Evans: 11 rec, 265 yards, 2TD

                  MIami (2006 Week 15): 13-19, 200 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT
                  Lee Evans: 3 rec, 67 yards, TD

                  Miami (2005 Week 13): 13-26, 224 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT
                  Lee Evans: 5 rec, 117 yards, 3 TD

                  Here is a 6-pack of JP Losman's worst games...

                  Miami (2007 Week 10): 12-23, 157 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT
                  Lee Evans: 4 rec, 65 yards.

                  Chicago (2006 Week 5): 14-27, 115 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT
                  Lee Evans: 9 rec, 94 yards, TD (still had a soild game obviously)

                  Green Bay (2006 Week 9): 8-15, 102 yards, 1 TD
                  Lee Evans: 2 rec, 58 yards, TD

                  Tampa Bay (2005 Week 2): 11-28, 113 yards
                  Lee Evans: 1 Rec, 12 yards

                  Atlanta (2005 Week 3) 10-23, 75 yards, INT
                  Lee Evans: 2 rec, 7 yards

                  New Orleans (2005 Week 4): 7-15, 75 yards, INT
                  Lee Evans: 2 rec, 27 yards

                  New England (2005 Week 14): 10-27, 181 yards, TD, 3 INT
                  Lee Evans: 4 rec, 83 yards.


                  What do the FACTS show:
                  In order for Losman to have a good game, Lee Evans must have a great game. YOu double team and slow down Evans, and 9 times out of 10 Losman's having a terrible game.

                  great observation pat lol i didnt know we had a solid #2 option for any qb on our roster to truly goto

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                  • camelcowboy
                    Registered User
                    • Mar 2005
                    • 7449
                    #10
                    Re: You stop Evans, you stop Losman..

                    Originally posted by acehole
                    Wow Pat. Thanks for the 1 + 1 = 2 post.
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                    No but you spelled macaroni correctly heres a gold star.


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                    • BAM
                      Registered User
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 33135
                      #11
                      Re: You stop Evans, you stop Losman..

                      This thread actually made me laugh out loud.

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                      • RockStar36
                        Dude's Little Ignorant Crony
                        • Sep 2004
                        • 24761
                        #12
                        Re: You stop Evans, you stop Losman..

                        Who exactly does he have to throw the ball to besides Evans?

                        I like Parrish and Reed but they aren't exactly a #2 receiver. I'm sure if Losman had a legit #2 it wouldn't be this way. Anyways, it is because they don't have one so hopefully he figures something out by Sunday night.

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                        • camelcowboy
                          Registered User
                          • Mar 2005
                          • 7449
                          #13
                          Re: You stop Evans, you stop Losman..

                          Originally posted by RockStar36
                          Who exactly does he have to throw the ball to besides Evans?

                          I like Parrish and Reed but they aren't exactly a #2 receiver. I'm sure if Losman had a legit #2 it wouldn't be this way. Anyways, it is because they don't have one so hopefully he figures something out by Sunday night.
                          I would like to see that running back of ours gets some balls thrown his way.


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                          • Bufftp
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                            • Jul 2002
                            • 18062
                            #14
                            Re: You stop Evans, you stop Losman..

                            Originally posted by shelby
                            Valid point.
                            not really, conversly with those stats if you slow down Lossman you slow down Evans. In order for Evans to have a good game JP has to be on.
                            Evans doesn't toss the ball to himself. Football is a team sport and is more complicated than Moran would have you believe.

                            Those stats may be indicative of
                            1) no real second or third reciever threat.
                            2) Bad pass protection by the line.
                            3) Poor run game.
                            4) Bad game planning.

                            Or a combination of the above.
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                            • patmoran2006
                              Ole' Ralphie SCROOGE
                              • Dec 2005
                              • 19840
                              #15
                              Re: You stop Evans, you stop Losman..

                              not totally blaming Losman for offensive woes over the past few years.

                              In part it's because our FO has failed to acquire a lot of talent on the offensive side of the ball. Reed and Royal are hard workers, but they're not going to change games.

                              But in going through three years of stats, its incredible that when Evans has bad numbers, JP's QB rating plummets.


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