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I am honestly at wit's end right now. For the past few weeks, I've heard over and over again about how JP Losman gives the Bills a "Better Chance To Win." I mean, that's literally the reason every Losman supporter throws down with in a discussion about our quarterbacks.
Most threads end up being like two gangs taking sides, with very strong opinions that often get personal. This thread is NOT intended to be one of those so if your a troll who gets off on turning discussion into personal attacks, find another thread.
I'd like this discussion to be 100% about unbiased facts. I ask you guys (who don't already agree) this question: HOW exactly do the Buffalo Bills have a better chance of winning football games because of JP Losman over Trent Edwards?
And unlike many people on the other side of the friends, rather than just offer my personal opinions, I'm going to back it up with numbers.. Something apparently some people are obsessed with, especially when they can only come up with Trent's 1TD to 5INT ratio.
Well how about this, and at end I invite any adult discussion on exactly why Losman gives us the "better chance".
* IF JP is such an exciting "gunslinger", then why is the offense averaging more passing yards when Edwards plays (158 to 141) than Losman, and that INCLUDES the Cincinnati game Losman "went off" on?
* Edwards is completing 66.1% of his passes, Losman 62.2%. Three of Edwards' four starts have seen him complete at least 67% of his passes.
* Edwards has been sacked 9 times this year, Losman has been sacked 13 times. Edwards has one fumble this season, Losman has three fumbles. As a matter of fact, Losman has fumbled the ball 24 times and been sacked 87 times in his career.
* In JP Losman's last two starts, who many consider the "defining moment" in his career, against the worst team and the best team in the league back-to-back--- Losman has went 27-for-49 for 330 yards, 1 touchdowns and 2 interceptions. Are you telling me Edwards couldn't put up 13 points at Miami, or match losman's 10 points last night? Hell, Edwards put up 10 against NE, at New England- in the very first action of his entire career, including the best drive of our season in his FIRST action ever (the 80 yard, 12 play drive that took 6:42 off the clock). Again, and I do ask this seriously, Losman gives us a "better chance" how?
* Again, Losman is considered the mad gunslinger, yet his average yards per attempt is only 0.9 more than Edwards (7.4 to 6.5)
**** But of all the stats I researched, this is the one that burns me up the most. Some people say Losman gives us the better chance to win, yet in his career he is EXACTLY 3 and 15 against teams that have at least a .500 record. Are you kidding me? That's 20% of the time the Bills win with Losman starting when we play a team that doesn't have a losing record.
* In those 15 losses, the team (not the offense, the entire TEAM) averages 11.4 points per game. In more than half of those losses, we've failed to score more than 7 points.
* Whether you like it or not, Edwards is 3-1 as a starter, and had it not been for a fluke onside kick and bad Fewel pass defense at the end of the game, he'd be undefeated. Baltimore was a one loss team when they came to town, and Dallas was undefeated.
* Lastly, the TD and INT are misleading, although BOTH QB's have a ****ty ratio. yes, Losman has 2 more TD's, but look at those two; an underthrown bomb to Evans he wrestled away from Darrelle Reevis, and another underthrown bomb to Roscoe Parrish that the receiver came back and made an excellent play against an off-balanced Ellis Hobbs.
Unless Losman is secretly "underthrowing" every long pass he attempts (which I doubt, unless the horribly underthrown intercepted ball in the end zone at Miami was on purpose too), he's gotten bailed out on magnificent plays by WR's twice.
NOW the last part here is my opinion, based largely on facts from what we've all seen.
By comparision, some people act like Edwards is INCAPABLE of getting the ball deep. Hogwash. That 50-yard completion vs Baltimore was a dart. He threw a long nice long pass (against the Jets I believe at home) that had plenty of air on it, it was intercepted because Evans failed to fight for the ball, which Tasker pointed out.
Now don't get me wrong. Edwards is FAR from a perfect, finished product. His int against Dallas and the one vs Baltimore were TERRIBLE decisions. But then again, is that something that Losman doesn't do at least 2-3 times every game himself (honesty, even the staunchest of Losman supporters need to admit he throws some of the ugliest picks ever).
The bottom line is, based on ALL of the numbers and facts I presented, unless we're playing a bottom feeder like Houston or Cincinnati, I totally FAIL to see how JP Losman gives us a better chance to win.
Whether you like Jauron/Fairchild or not (and most of us dont) the bottom line is this team is CLEARLYYYYYY being built around a strong running attack, mixing up a variety of passes, holding on to the ball and trying to put our defense in a position to succeed. It works when Edwards is on the field for obvious reasons, it does not when Losman is on the field, for the same obvious reasons.
So one last time, without any personal bull****, I'd love for people who disagree to digest any or all of this, and then come back and tell me why I'm wrong and that Losman actually DOES give the Bills the best chance to win.
Most threads end up being like two gangs taking sides, with very strong opinions that often get personal. This thread is NOT intended to be one of those so if your a troll who gets off on turning discussion into personal attacks, find another thread.
I'd like this discussion to be 100% about unbiased facts. I ask you guys (who don't already agree) this question: HOW exactly do the Buffalo Bills have a better chance of winning football games because of JP Losman over Trent Edwards?
And unlike many people on the other side of the friends, rather than just offer my personal opinions, I'm going to back it up with numbers.. Something apparently some people are obsessed with, especially when they can only come up with Trent's 1TD to 5INT ratio.
Well how about this, and at end I invite any adult discussion on exactly why Losman gives us the "better chance".
* IF JP is such an exciting "gunslinger", then why is the offense averaging more passing yards when Edwards plays (158 to 141) than Losman, and that INCLUDES the Cincinnati game Losman "went off" on?
* Edwards is completing 66.1% of his passes, Losman 62.2%. Three of Edwards' four starts have seen him complete at least 67% of his passes.
* Edwards has been sacked 9 times this year, Losman has been sacked 13 times. Edwards has one fumble this season, Losman has three fumbles. As a matter of fact, Losman has fumbled the ball 24 times and been sacked 87 times in his career.
* In JP Losman's last two starts, who many consider the "defining moment" in his career, against the worst team and the best team in the league back-to-back--- Losman has went 27-for-49 for 330 yards, 1 touchdowns and 2 interceptions. Are you telling me Edwards couldn't put up 13 points at Miami, or match losman's 10 points last night? Hell, Edwards put up 10 against NE, at New England- in the very first action of his entire career, including the best drive of our season in his FIRST action ever (the 80 yard, 12 play drive that took 6:42 off the clock). Again, and I do ask this seriously, Losman gives us a "better chance" how?
* Again, Losman is considered the mad gunslinger, yet his average yards per attempt is only 0.9 more than Edwards (7.4 to 6.5)
**** But of all the stats I researched, this is the one that burns me up the most. Some people say Losman gives us the better chance to win, yet in his career he is EXACTLY 3 and 15 against teams that have at least a .500 record. Are you kidding me? That's 20% of the time the Bills win with Losman starting when we play a team that doesn't have a losing record.
* In those 15 losses, the team (not the offense, the entire TEAM) averages 11.4 points per game. In more than half of those losses, we've failed to score more than 7 points.
* Whether you like it or not, Edwards is 3-1 as a starter, and had it not been for a fluke onside kick and bad Fewel pass defense at the end of the game, he'd be undefeated. Baltimore was a one loss team when they came to town, and Dallas was undefeated.
* Lastly, the TD and INT are misleading, although BOTH QB's have a ****ty ratio. yes, Losman has 2 more TD's, but look at those two; an underthrown bomb to Evans he wrestled away from Darrelle Reevis, and another underthrown bomb to Roscoe Parrish that the receiver came back and made an excellent play against an off-balanced Ellis Hobbs.
Unless Losman is secretly "underthrowing" every long pass he attempts (which I doubt, unless the horribly underthrown intercepted ball in the end zone at Miami was on purpose too), he's gotten bailed out on magnificent plays by WR's twice.
NOW the last part here is my opinion, based largely on facts from what we've all seen.
By comparision, some people act like Edwards is INCAPABLE of getting the ball deep. Hogwash. That 50-yard completion vs Baltimore was a dart. He threw a long nice long pass (against the Jets I believe at home) that had plenty of air on it, it was intercepted because Evans failed to fight for the ball, which Tasker pointed out.
Now don't get me wrong. Edwards is FAR from a perfect, finished product. His int against Dallas and the one vs Baltimore were TERRIBLE decisions. But then again, is that something that Losman doesn't do at least 2-3 times every game himself (honesty, even the staunchest of Losman supporters need to admit he throws some of the ugliest picks ever).
The bottom line is, based on ALL of the numbers and facts I presented, unless we're playing a bottom feeder like Houston or Cincinnati, I totally FAIL to see how JP Losman gives us a better chance to win.
Whether you like Jauron/Fairchild or not (and most of us dont) the bottom line is this team is CLEARLYYYYYY being built around a strong running attack, mixing up a variety of passes, holding on to the ball and trying to put our defense in a position to succeed. It works when Edwards is on the field for obvious reasons, it does not when Losman is on the field, for the same obvious reasons.
So one last time, without any personal bull****, I'd love for people who disagree to digest any or all of this, and then come back and tell me why I'm wrong and that Losman actually DOES give the Bills the best chance to win.
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