It's 2004 Losman/Bledsoe all over again

[OpIv37]

Remember the end of 2004? After a crappy start, we made an improbable run at a playoff spot and came up just short.

Because we were winning, JP stayed on the bench and Bledsoe played out the season. When '05 started, JP clearly would have benefitted from the experience.

Well, we're right back in the same situation. We still have a shot at the playoffs, so Edwards isn't playing. But like Bledsoe, it's becoming painfully obvious that JP isn't the right QB for this team.

I'm not convinced Edwards is the answer either, but going forward in the off-season, it would be nice to have some indication of whether or not he's servicable so we have the option of going in a different direction with QB.

This is an interesting predicament because this team is 5-5 and still has an outside shot at the playoffs (even though I think it's a lot less realistic than the mathematics make it sound). If we play Edwards, it will piss off the vets (Jauron already made that mistake) and send a signal that this year is training camp for next year. If we don't play Edwards, we're making the off-season even more difficult and potentially screwing up the future.

So, what do we do?

[Forward_Lateral]

Re: It's 2004 Losman/Bledsoe all over again

It's a double-edged sword. If Buffalo loses Sunday in Jax, you can almost bet that Losman will not be starting the week after. If Buffalo wins, then he probably keeps his job.

I think Dick will wait until the Bills fall out of contention before he makes another QB change. Of course, they could keep winning, and make the playoffs, then I don't know what happens with Losman.

[The King]

Re: It's 2004 Losman/Bledsoe all over again

Bledsoe had done some promising things his first year at least, Jp has done nothing to show he's an NFL qb.

[Mitchy moo]

Re: It's 2004 Losman/Bledsoe all over again

Why don't we spin a QB debate a different way every other thread??

It's getting really freaking old man, please I beg all of you to stop on the QB debate, we need a moratorium.

[OpIv37]

Re: It's 2004 Losman/Bledsoe all over again

Why don't we spin a QB debate a different way every other thread??

It's getting really freaking old man, please I beg all of you to stop on the QB debate, we need a moratorium.

This isn't another Losman/Edwards debate.

It's a "what to do about the QB position going forward" debate. Clearly the position isn't set and something will have to be done in the off-season, and it looks like we're falling for the same trap we fell into in 04.

[OpIv37]

Re: It's 2004 Losman/Bledsoe all over again

It's a double-edged sword. If Buffalo loses Sunday in Jax, you can almost bet that Losman will not be starting the week after. If Buffalo wins, then he probably keeps his job.

I think Dick will wait until the Bills fall out of contention before he makes another QB change. Of course, they could keep winning, and make the playoffs, then I don't know what happens with Losman.

Short term making the playoffs would be great.

Long term, it could actually be a curse because it would be tough to dump Losman if he got us to the playoffs. Look at the Bears and Rex Grossman.

[billsburgh]

Re: It's 2004 Losman/Bledsoe all over again

Short term making the playoffs would be great.

Long term, it could actually be a curse because it would be tough to dump Losman if he got us to the playoffs. Look at the Bears and Rex Grossman.

we should learn from the Bears' mistake. they had success in spite of Grossman's play and they stuck with him too long. I dont want to see the Bills make the same mistake.

[The Answer]

Re: It's 2004 Losman/Bledsoe all over again

Bledsoe had done some promising things his first year at least, Jp has done nothing to show he's an NFL qb.

Plus Bledsoe took his team to the superbowl in his 3rd nfl season - Losman hasn't even sniffed the playoffs yet.

~The Answer

[Mr. Pink]

Re: It's 2004 Losman/Bledsoe all over again

Bledsoe is a borderline HOFer, he has huge numbers and has been to the bowl in his career...twice.

Losman is a borderline cashier at Tops, who'd probably drop the eggs trying to bag them.

Comparing the two at this juncture is laughable.

This is more like Vince Ferragamo vs Bruce Mathison.

[The Answer]

Re: It's 2004 Losman/Bledsoe all over again

Bledsoe is a borderline HOFer, he has huge numbers and has been to the bowl in his career...twice.

Losman is a borderline cashier at Tops, who'd probably drop the eggs trying to bag them.

Comparing the two at this juncture is laughable.

This is more like Vince Ferragamo vs Bruce Mathison.

Exactly - comparing Losman to Akili Smith or Cade McNown would be a far better example.

~The Answer

[The King]

Re: It's 2004 Losman/Bledsoe all over again

Bledsoe is a borderline HOFer, he has huge numbers and has been to the bowl in his career...twice.

Losman is a borderline cashier at Tops, who'd probably drop the eggs trying to bag them.

Comparing the two at this juncture is laughable.

This is more like Vince Ferragamo vs Bruce Mathison.

Actually he went to the Pro Bowl 4 times... but saying he's a borderline HOFer here will get you flamed.

[Mr. Pink]

Re: It's 2004 Losman/Bledsoe all over again

Actually he went to the Pro Bowl 4 times... but saying he's a borderline HOFer here will get you flamed.

Meant Superbowl.

Yes Brady was at the helm in 2000 for most of the year due to Bledsoe's injury BUT Bledsoe played a hell of a game vs Pittsburgh in the playoffs when Brady got hurt to get them to that Superbowl.

And numbers + his success as a pro doesn't lie. As much as people around here hate him. Which is pretty justified because when he was leaving here he was pretty much hanging on by a thread and should have retired.

[Forward_Lateral]

Re: It's 2004 Losman/Bledsoe all over again

Meant Superbowl.

Yes Brady was at the helm in 2000 for most of the year due to Bledsoe's injury BUT Bledsoe played a hell of a game vs Pittsburgh in the playoffs when Brady got hurt to get them to that Superbowl.

And numbers + his success as a pro doesn't lie. As much as people around here hate him. Which is pretty justified because when he was leaving here he was pretty much hanging on by a thread and should have retired.

Just imagine if Donahoe had put an O-line in place for Bledsoe like the one that Marv put in place this year. Bledsoe, when given time, was a hell of a passer. He was slow as Bernie Kosar with a broken leg, but the Bills KNEW that when they got him. It still baffles me as to why the O-line wasn't addressed for so many years.

[OpIv37]

Re: It's 2004 Losman/Bledsoe all over again

Just imagine if Donahoe had put an O-line in place for Bledsoe like the one that Marv put in place this year. Bledsoe, when given time, was a hell of a passer. He was slow as Bernie Kosar with a broken leg, but the Bills KNEW that when they got him. It still baffles me as to why the O-line wasn't addressed for so many years.

even now they still haven't gotten it right because we've got a mismatch between our OL and the talent behind them.

We have a great RB but an OL that can't run block. We have an OL that can pass block but QB's that are questionable at best.

[Forward_Lateral]

Re: It's 2004 Losman/Bledsoe all over again

even now they still haven't gotten it right because we've got a mismatch between our OL and the talent behind them.

We have a great RB but an OL that can't run block. We have an OL that can pass block but QB's that are questionable at best.

I think the run blocking is more of a bad scheme that ability. Those guys are all huge, they should be able to engulf opposing Dline, and especially LBs. It seems like the running plays are often too extravagent. If I was OC, I'd be calling plays where there was more straight ahead blocking, as opposed to zone-blocking or whatever the hell it's called.