Aaron Schobel has no inside move

[OpIv37]

He always tries to go around the tackle and never gets there in time.

When he does try to go inside, the guard just chips him and he's neutralized.

We paid a lot of money for a one-dimensional DE.

[CLo_in_Roch]

You are 100% correct.

[Kerr]

Tampa didn't overpay this much for their ends and they're playing better than these 2 clowns.

[Michael82]

He's not the same DE as last year. Whoever told him to lose all that weight is a ****ing moron. Why the hell do you **** with something that is working??!? :mad: :curse:

[m1orenz]

i could be wrong, but didnt he do decent last year with inside moves?

maybe thats why you dont have your probowl DE lose 20 lbs

[Devin]

Schobel isnt getting paid a tremendous amount of money for a pro-bowl DE, so.....yeah.....

A DE who has averaged 10+ sacks a year prior to this year, and with the exception of maybe 2 years with little talent around him, is hardly our biggest problem on D.

[Michael82]

i could be wrong, but didnt he do decent last year with inside moves?

maybe thats why you dont have your probowl DE lose 20 lbs
EXactly! Good post. :hi5:

[CLo_in_Roch]

I posted this reply in a different post, but it applies here also:

I think Schoebel (or however he spells his name) has mailed it in. He's got his payday and now what's the concern? It seems like this guy hasn't done a power clean in years. No shoulder or pressing strength from his upper body. He is realying on his speed too much. Good god, the tackles you face have their hamstrings parrellel to the turf, as soon as they spring..... explode from your 3 point and unbalance them!

[HHURRICANE]

It takes you guys 11 games to realize that Schobel has packed it in. I get negged on week 4 for the same post in week 11.

Maybe if people can stop falling in love with their favorite players and instead judge them for their contribution this site could be alot better.

[Mad Bomber]

He always tries to go around the tackle and never gets there in time.

When he does try to go inside, the guard just chips him and he's neutralized.

We paid a lot of money for a one-dimensional DE.
Because he always goes upfield, he's the perfect target for the off-tackle trap. This has happened over and over and over and over again....

[LtBillsFan66]

Schobel isnt getting paid a tremendous amount of money for a pro-bowl DE, so.....yeah.....

A DE who has averaged 10+ sacks a year prior to this year, and with the exception of maybe 2 years with little talent around him, is hardly our biggest problem on D.

Gabage time sacks padded his stats.

[Devin]

Gabage time sacks padded his stats.

Do you mean every year hes played or his pro-bowl year?

[Forward_Lateral]

I think this team needs a new D-line coach.

[Devin]

I think this team needs a new D-line coach.

And some D-linemen.

[DraftBoy]

Schobel isnt getting paid a tremendous amount of money for a pro-bowl DE, so.....yeah.....

A DE who has averaged 10+ sacks a year prior to this year, and with the exception of maybe 2 years with little talent around him, is hardly our biggest problem on D.

No this is true but he is for a pass rush specialist with 1 or 2 moves. You cant sit here and tell me he is earning his paycheck with his play. He makes his 1-2 plays a week and thats it. I counted 8 times where he was over 3 yards behind the QB on a pass rush, 8 times!! Im sorry but that's inexcusable and lets not even begin to talk about the money we are pissing away on Kelsay.

[DraftBoy]

And some D-linemen.

We need a complete DE opposite him and 1 DT opposite McCargo who should be starting imo over Kyle Williams.

[YardRat]

Has anybody ever actually seen Schobel do a spin move? I can't recall myself, and if you're an end that relies more on speed than power the spin has to be part of the package.

That's part of what made Bruce so special...if the o-line man dropped his ass he just ran around him. If he went high, he pushed him out of the way. If someone actually did get the jump on him, ZING...he'd push back, twist around, and be in the QB's face in a second.

[DraftBoy]

Has anybody ever actually seen Schobel do a spin move? I can't recall myself, and if you're an end that relies more on speed than power the spin has to be part of the package.

That's part of what made Bruce so special...if the o-line man dropped his ass he just ran around him. If he went high, he pushed him out of the way. If someone actually did get the jump on him, ZING...he'd push back, twist around, and be in the QB's face in a second.

I saw Schobel do one last year, it was the only game I got to see from the comfort of my own couch. Got a sack off of it too.

[DynaPaul]

I like his favorite move - the "End Around". He runs way past the QB and gets close to him after he's already thrown the ball. Now that's pressure!

[Owen DeBoard]

Im not going to sit and blame one guy off this d line. He is probably the most consistent one on it. You got to remember who he is playing with. I would say he probably draws a lot of double teams because who else do you have to worry about on this line and espicailly since they dont like to blitz.

[Elminster]

Having him lose that weight was a terrible idea. There really is nothing else for a 265 lb. DE to do but go outside. It was foolish to have him lose that weight. Really, many of our personnel decisions seem questionable and seem to be driven by an overvaluation of experience. Why do we start the Pendry-train? Why did we start Jason Webster?

[Philagape]

"Aaron Schobel has no inside move"

No ......


That's "$50 million Aaron Schobel has no inside move"

There.

[Owen DeBoard]

He lost weight because the stupid cover two scheme. They only care about speed and not size. This scheme sucks.

[YardRat]

I honestly don't see AS getting D-t'd too much because he rarely takes the inside path to the QB.

Up the field, and past the pocket. If your LT has any kind of footwork at all it isn't that hard to keep the DE away from the play for the time necessary to read and throw.

[Philagape]

I honestly don't see AS getting D-t'd too much because he rarely takes the inside path to the QB.

Up the field, and past the pocket. If your LT has any kind of footwork at all it isn't that hard to keep the DE away from the play for the time necessary to read and throw.

That's a good point. It's ususally the power rushers who get double-teamed. That hurts the rest of the line.

[Akhippo]

Elvis Dumervil of Denver is smaller that Schobel and creates havoc. There are to many B players on this team when we need A. Wait, they are B players with good qualities.

Give me Tank Johnson in a minute.

[BillyT92679]

Aaron Schobel has always been overrated by Bills fans. Even during his "good" years he never did anything substantial outside of cheap garbage time sacks against poor teams.

[HHURRICANE]

I'd rather have a steroid raged rookie than this POS. It's brutal to watch. Denney looked better today.

[MarshawnIsDaMan]

I'd rather have a steroid raged rookie than this POS. It's brutal to watch. Denney looked better today.
I dont think anyone wants to pick up that contract for that production.

[patmoran2006]

He made a few nice plays, including the 4th down stop on Jones-Drew.

But no way in hell he's worth close to $50 million, that was a "thanks for being our best DE this decade contract" and I think it would make him untradable in the market.

We dropped the ball BIG TIME in our assessments of Schobel and Kelsay. I'm not sure you'd see much difference if Denney and Hargrove started than you do with our two highly paid DE's.

[colin]

i dunno, big games against miami and dallas for kelsay, aaron has been pretty meh, but it might just be an off year.

put briggs, a decent corner, poz and ko, and some kind of DT on this D and see if he can't rip off another pro bowl season.

we need to add talent, not get rid of it.

[patmoran2006]

Good point Colin, but how do you add talent to this organization via FA without having to grossly overpay for it? NObody wants to come here at same market value as a better run/committed franchise.

Sure, you can draft early, but then it comes at the expense of an extremely negligent offense.

[TigerJ]

I'm not sure exactly what Schobel's signing bonus is or how many years his deal is for, but I suspect the Bills would take a real financial bath if they traded him at this point, though with the cash to cap policy and the current payroll, they may actually be able to afford it. Any team trying to acquire him in a trade would get him for the rest of his contract without having to pay a penny in signing bonus and could cut him at any point in the future without having to carry anything in the way of dead cap money. That might be worth it to a team.

[TacklingDummy]

Schobel is the JP of the Bills defense.

Good in garbage time.

[acehole]

I'd rather have a steroid raged rookie than this POS. It's brutal to watch. Denney looked better today.

This is one thing we agree on..denny can stop the run...cN KELSAY play rE?

[LtBillsFan66]

Do you mean every year hes played or his pro-bowl year?

I don't ever remember him ever making a game changing play. Like Kelsay did a few times this year. I used to joke and sing "Stop, garbage time!" (ala mc hammer) whenever he got a sack. I remember most is garbage time. I've been doing it for years. Of course this year he doesn't even have garbage time sacks.

[clumping platelets]

"dead money" would prevent trading him

[clumping platelets]

and I do not have accurate numbers, so the answer is posted before the question :ontome:

[Ebenezer]

threads merged

[njsue]

BUST

[Mitchy moo]

BUST

$60M.

[njsue]

$60M.


Gee they could have gave that to Nate!

[Michael82]

Having him lose that weight was a terrible idea. There really is nothing else for a 265 lb. DE to do but go outside. It was foolish to have him lose that weight. Really, many of our personnel decisions seem questionable and seem to be driven by an overvaluation of experience. Why do we start the Pendry-train? Why did we start Jason Webster?
Good post! I have been saying this all year. :bf1:

[njsue]

He's not the same DE as last year. Whoever told him to lose all that weight is a ****ing moron. Why the hell do you **** with something that is working??!? :mad: :curse:
Strength and conditioning coach! :negrep: