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Tatonka
03-30-2003, 10:43 PM
i was wondering if anyone knows where i could find previous player evaluations.. I currently have a subscription to this years draft centeral at TSN.com.. it is the easiest to navigate, and i feel like it gives me the most info..

but i started thinking about what the "experts" had to say about prior players...

like schobel and henry..

anyone know where i can find bios and profiles on the last couple years of drafts?

i want to see what kind of knocks on players that made guys like clements and henry drop so low, when they obviously would have been higher first round picks had their production in the nfl been known..

thanks.

The Spaz
03-30-2003, 11:07 PM
I moved recently and have lost several of my old draft guides. That being said I found my Mel Kiper Jr drat guide for last year and seeing I am on a Josh Reed kick right now I will tell you wat mel had to say about him!:)

A tremendously explosive athlete, record setting receiver with the Bayou Bengals, Reed was nearly unstoppable at the college level. In 2001, he caught a school record with 94 receptions, averaging 18.5 yards per catch, and seven touchdowns. Against Alabama, he reeled in 19 balls for 293 yards, and in the Suagr Bowl against Illinois, he caught 14 more for 239 yards. Pretty amazing stats, concidering he made the permanent switch to wide reeiver basically just two seasons earlier. He wrapped up his prep carer as a tailback in Los Angeles with two outstanding seasons, totalling 4664 yards and 52 touchdowns. He played mostly tailback, but saw some time at WR and kickoff returner as a redshirt freshman in '99. Reed is a outstanding in the open field, picking up yards after the catch at an amazing rate. Despite his limited experience as a receiver, he's a tremendous route runner, explosive out of his breaks, and makes outstanding sight adjustments on the move. At only 5-10 1/4 and with less than spectacular 40 speed, Reed will be on a mission prve that he's not just a top drawer collegiate wide-out, but rather an all around dynamo who can go on and prosper in the NFL. * Folks, it's been proven time and time again that you don't need world class speed to excel as a top of the line WR at the pro level. Jerry Rice is the most obvious example. With Reed, however, he's not over 6-0 tall, so questions will still abound, despite his incredible productivity over the last two seasons in the SEC with the Bayou Bengals. In the end, a key asset for Reed will be his tremendously quick feet and overall explosiveness out of his cuts. In the area, he's at or near the top of the list when you look at the top wide-outs who have come out of the collegiate ranks the last few years.-Mel Kiper JR.

Go Bills!

Tatonka
03-30-2003, 11:10 PM
nice write up ...

The Spaz
03-30-2003, 11:13 PM
I'm telling everyone right now you don't have to worry about Josh Reed the guy is going to awesome for many years:)! Go Bills!

Tatonka
03-30-2003, 11:14 PM
http://www.draftbook.com/2001/aaronschobel.html

found it.. has all the write ups for a bunch of different sites..

they said schobel was one dimensional, and would be a project player.

Tatonka
03-30-2003, 11:17 PM
http://www.draftbook.com/2001/travishenry.html

they spoke well of henry.. surprising he went in the 2nd..

i think we will see alot of guys that can produce like him this year in the second..

i would love to have

suggs, smith, or brown.. i think they will all do well in the right situation.

Tatonka
03-30-2003, 11:18 PM
http://www.draftbook.com/2001/jonasjennings.html

that said that at least 3 teams gave jennings a first round grade.. and we got him in the third.

obviously a typo.. it says he runs a 4.3 40 :lolcry:

Tatonka
03-30-2003, 11:23 PM
http://www.draftbook.com/2001/nateclements.html

they said clements is uninterested in run support..

wonder if brady would agree after clements "supported" removing his head from his torso on that bootleg.

Tatonka
03-30-2003, 11:24 PM
http://www.draftbook.com/2001/marquessullivan.html

they said he was a potential 2nd rounder.. looks like value on him too.

Tatonka
03-30-2003, 11:25 PM
http://www.draftbook.com/2001/brandonspoon.html

weaknesses: has bicep problems.. yeah.. no kidding..

Ingtar33
03-30-2003, 11:28 PM
Hey T...

It looks like you found some stuff, but I was searching to help you out… and here is some stuff I found searching on goggle. It is the archives from pro football weekly's draft coverage... and it is divided by position.

NFL Draft 2002 (http://archive.profootballweekly.com/content/archives2001/draft_2001/scoutingreports_main_2002.asp)
NFL Draft 2001 (http://archive.profootballweekly.com/content/archives/draft_2000/scoutingreports_main_2001.asp)
NFL Draft 2000 (http://archive.profootballweekly.com/content/archives/draft_1999/scoutingreports_main_2000.asp)
NFL Draft 1999 (http://archive.profootballweekly.com/content/archives/draft_1998/scoutingreports_main.asp)

Tatonka
03-30-2003, 11:29 PM
http://www.draftbook.com/2002/ryandenney.html

tough to want to give up on this guy.. he seems promising still.. hopefully he was just overwhelmed last year..

the guy did 36 reps on the bench press with his extremely long arms.. that is MUCH stronger than alot of DTs.. and ran a 4.8

man, i hope he comes around.

Tatonka
03-30-2003, 11:30 PM
thanks Ing..

what are your thoughts on Denny?

Tatonka
03-30-2003, 11:34 PM
http://www.draftbook.com/2002/corywire.html

rofl.. CORY wire.. at least get the name right if your gonna dog him.

he did the bench 28 times.. impressive..

said he could play SS in the right scheme.. ours..

compaired him to adam archuleta, with less talent.. lol

Tatonka
03-30-2003, 11:37 PM
http://www.draftbook.com/2002/kevinthomas.html

man, the opinions on this guy ranged from first day player to chump...

i think him losing his bagage for the combine and running a bad time in someone elses shoes was a blessing for us.. he is gonna be a good nickle back.

Tatonka
03-30-2003, 11:39 PM
just posting this stuff to bring us to reality.. when we are reading all this crap about players right now... most of the time, it doesnt mean anything.. he is slow.. he is not a good hitter.. he cant play the position..

and we can obviously see that a lot of these guys turn out to be very productive..

td had done a heckuva job drafting... i know that.

Ingtar33
03-30-2003, 11:47 PM
I was never a big fan of Denney... I always though he had stiff hips... too horizontal a player... not much of a "natural" pass rusher, and too easily moved to be a strong run defender. He really needs to work on his technique. The trick with Denney was he played some lousy competition in college and was a good player... never dominant. What happened was he is what everyone dreams of wanting in a DE... great speed, long arms, nice size, and good reps. But he never was a dominant player in college against mediocre opposition.

Denney was the classic case of his physical attributes being too good to pass up. He may turn it around, but I saw all his bad habits in force last year, relegating him to be a shooty backup for most of the year. He was a "steal" where TD picked him... I know our team would have taken him there... but he never performed in college. This was one of those situations where TD should have stuck with his gut, and gone after a gamer, and not gone after the specimen.

Tatonka
03-30-2003, 11:50 PM
ouch.. doesnt sound very encouraging..

wonder if he gets cut if we land someone like haynes.

Ingtar33
03-31-2003, 12:01 AM
I doubt we drop Denney... its hard to cut a second round pick... besides he may pull it together. I know I had him compared to Phil Hanson in my book. Solid but not spectacular... good size never will be a pro bowler... needs to work at his technique.

If you look at those past reviews you'll notice that many of them are not off by much. What happens in the process, that leads to bad picks is people try to extrapolate how they will translate into the pros. Often poorly. The biggest difference between the pro scout and Mel K, is the pro scout can loose his job if he blows a big one... that tends to make the pro scout more thorough, and helps him keep focused on the actual performances as opposed to the hype. That is why you'll see the good drafting teams take players that the draftniks don't even have listed... or why players like Travis Henry (rated 9th out of the 10 running backs in profootball weekly) get taken so high... and still turn out to be a steal.

It is also why teams like the Bengals will inevitably pick the most hyped player in he first… in fact I’ll know for sure there is nothing new going down in Cinci if Palmer or Newman are their pick at no.1

Tatonka
03-31-2003, 12:06 AM
i think cincy should take suggs.. but that is just imho.

Ingtar33
03-31-2003, 01:03 AM
If you're Cinci, I'm thinking you have to get another DT (Kennedy) or go with Byron Leftwich... who is in my eyes a much smaller risk than Palmer