addition to the bills playoff thread

[SyraBillsLican]

I think that this is true.

Lets say the bills win out. that puts us at 10-6.

lets also say that cleveland wins all their remaining games except for the bills game.

lets further prognosticate that the jaguars lose at pittsburgh and also lose one more game, be it against Oakland, Carolina or Houston (not probable, but im talking chances here).

to make it even more unlikely, lets say that Tennessee loses to KC, SD or the Jets and beat an Indy team in week 17 that is resting its starters for the playoffs.

that would make the standings like this:

Jags 10-6
Browns 10-6
Titans 10-6
Bills 10-6

if you read the other thread about the bills playoffs, you know that we beat both tennessee and the browns in tiebreakers and lose to the jags.

however, because tennessee has a better division record than the jaguars, the jaguars become eliminated from the wildcard picture despite the jaguars beating us headtohead.

the bills then beat both the browns and titans and ascend to the #5 spot in the playoffs.

i think this happened last year with the Chiefs and Broncos. i could be mistaken, but i think that this is true.

very interesting possibility

[patmoran2006]

Re: addition to the bills playoff thread

the scenarios are very far fetched.

However, you're right about one thing. If more than one team from a division is tied for a wild card berth, only the TOP team from that division moves on. I'm not sure who would win between the Jags and Tenn, but this is the format, per about.football.com (and its not based on divisional record)
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Three or More Teams
*If two clubs remain tied after a third is eliminated during any step, the tie breaker reverts to step 1 of the two-team format. Start by eliminating all but the highest ranked club in each division by using the divisional tiebreaker above. After the field has been narrowed to no more than one team from each division, the following tiebreakers are used:
1. Head-to-Head
2. Conference Record
3. Common Games (minimum of four)
4. Strength of Victory
5. Strength of Schedule
6. Combined Ranking Among Conference Teams (points scored and points allowed)
7. Combined Ranking Among All Teams (points scored and points allowed)
8. Net Points (conference games)
9. Net Points (all games)
10. Net Touchdowns (all games)
11. Coin toss
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Now I dont know who is better between Jags and Tenn, but that is the tiebreaking order. It would be head to head first, then conference record, etc.

[SyraBillsLican]

Re: addition to the bills playoff thread

yes, i just looked it up also.

The Jags are currently 2-3 in their division
The Titans are currently 3-2 in their division

if the titans beat indy OR the jags lose @ Houston, and all else follows

the JAGS ARE ELIMINATED FROM THE PLAYOFFS

and the BILLS ARE #5

should be fun

[patmoran2006]

Re: addition to the bills playoff thread

Between Jags and Titans; they are
1- Tied head to head.
2- Jags are 6-3 vs AFC, Tenn only 4-4. If they both finish 10-6, the Jags would beat out Tenn to advance in the tiebreaker, not tenn.

The Jags still have Carolina and the RAiders at home on their schedule, and Houston on the road. I think they're getting to 11-5.

I would focus on (besides ourselves of course) Tenn and Cleveland

[SyraBillsLican]

Re: addition to the bills playoff thread

also, you have the wrong tie-breaking procedures, you have to scroll down more:

TO BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM
Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)
1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.
2. Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in conference games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
12. Coin toss

[Mitchy moo]

Re: addition to the bills playoff thread

I think that this is true.

Lets say the bills win out. that puts us at 10-6.

lets also say that cleveland wins all their remaining games except for the bills game.

lets further prognosticate that the jaguars lose at pittsburgh and also lose one more game, be it against Oakland, Carolina or Houston (not probable, but im talking chances here).

to make it even more unlikely, lets say that Tennessee loses to KC, SD or the Jets and beat an Indy team in week 17 that is resting its starters for the playoffs.

that would make the standings like this:

Jags 10-6
Browns 10-6
Titans 10-6
Bills 10-6

if you read the other thread about the bills playoffs, you know that we beat both tennessee and the browns in tiebreakers and lose to the jags.

however, because tennessee has a better division record than the jaguars, the jaguars become eliminated from the wildcard picture despite the jaguars beating us headtohead.

the bills then beat both the browns and titans and ascend to the #5 spot in the playoffs.

i think this happened last year with the Chiefs and Broncos. i could be mistaken, but i think that this is true.

very interesting possibility

It means that if we took 5th, we would also have a shot at a home playoff game in the conference finals as well, that's if both WC teams make it that far.

[patmoran2006]

Re: addition to the bills playoff thread

yes, i just looked it up also.

The Jags are currently 2-3 in their division
The Titans are currently 3-2 in their division

if the titans beat indy OR the jags lose @ Houston, and all else follows

the JAGS ARE ELIMINATED FROM THE PLAYOFFS

and the BILLS ARE #5

should be fun

your basing it on the WRONG tiebreaker my man.

Division record doesn't matter, conference does, and the Jags have a TWO game lead on tenn and if they finish 10-6 as you outlined then the Titans couldn't match the conference record. They'd be out

[SyraBillsLican]

Re: addition to the bills playoff thread

using these procedures, jacksonville is immediately eliminated

[Dr. Lecter]

Re: addition to the bills playoff thread

My head is spinning.

All I know is the Bills need to win and I will attend at least 3 of the last 4 games.

[Dr. Lecter]

Re: addition to the bills playoff thread

It means that if we took 5th, we would also have a shot at a home playoff game in the conference finals as well, that's if both WC teams make it that far.

Sure, after the Colts and Pats both lose at home.

[SyraBillsLican]

Re: addition to the bills playoff thread

no, i think i am using the CORRECT tiebreaking procedures

[patmoran2006]

Re: addition to the bills playoff thread

Dude, read above.. You're wrong. If the Jags finish 10-6, Tennesee CANNOT beat them in a tiebreaker.

1st Tiebreaker between division foes = HEAD to HEAD
2nd is CONFERENCE record, not DIVISIONAL .

[patmoran2006]

Re: addition to the bills playoff thread

no, i think i am using the CORRECT tiebreaking procedures

No, you're not.

http://football.about.com/cs/football101/a/nfl_tiebreakers.htm

WILD-CARD
If two or more teams finish the season tied for one of the two Wild-Card berths, one of the following scenarios will apply. If the tied teams are from the same division, the divisional tie breaker above is used. If the tied teams are from different divisions, the following tiebreakers are used: Two Teams
1. Head-to-Head
2. Conference Record
3. Common Games (minimum of four)
4. Strength of Victory
5. Strength of Schedule
6. Combined Ranking Among Conference Teams (points scored and points allowed)
7. Combined Ranking Among All Teams (points scored and points allowed)
8. Net Points (conference games)
9. Net Points (all games)
10. Net Touchdowns (all games)
11. Coin Toss


Three or More Teams
*If two clubs remain tied after a third is eliminated during any step, the tie breaker reverts to step 1 of the two-team format. Start by eliminating all but the highest ranked club in each division by using the divisional tiebreaker above. After the field has been narrowed to no more than one team from each division, the following tiebreakers are used:
1. Head-to-Head
2. Conference Record
3. Common Games (minimum of four)
4. Strength of Victory
5. Strength of Schedule
6. Combined Ranking Among Conference Teams (points scored and points allowed)
7. Combined Ranking Among All Teams (points scored and points allowed)
8. Net Points (conference games)
9. Net Points (all games)
10. Net Touchdowns (all games)
11. Coin toss

[SyraBillsLican]

Re: addition to the bills playoff thread

i dont mean to press, but ur wrong:

TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION
Two Clubs
1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.

[Dr. Lecter]

Re: addition to the bills playoff thread