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LifetimeBillsFan
12-19-2007, 05:37 AM
Let me state for the record, right here at the beginning of this post, that it is NOT my desire or intention to denigrate or disparage anyone's "fanhood" with the comments that I am about to make, but rather to offer my perspective on some of the recent posts about the success/failure of the Bills season thus far--in the hopes that they will present a slightly different take on the subject and perhaps stimulate some serious thought and discussion.

As a fan of the Bills since they began playing in 1960, I have seen the team at its highest points (Mike Stratton's hit on Keith Lincoln that led to their winning the AFL title may be my all-time favorite moment in Bills history) and its lowest points (watching Ed Rutkowski and Marlin Briscoe line up at QB, having J.Rauch use OJ at WR, suffering through the coaching of Harvey Johnson and Kay Stephenson, and seeing the arrogance of Tom Donahoe and Gregg Williams rank among the lowest).

As an admitted optimist (I have to be one to continue to live with a life-threatening, debilitating medical condition for as long as I have), I have always looked at the positive potential of the Bills and hoped/expected that they would do well. For this, some have labeled me a "homer".

But, at the same time, my experiences as an athlete when I was younger (and healthier) and as a long-time fan and observer of professional football has tempered my hopes and expectations. And, because of this, I would like to think of myself as being more of a "realist" when it comes to the Bills. Perhaps even moreso than some here who have labeled themselves "realists".

As I see it, in purely "realistic" terms, there is only one team in the NFL that has a truly successful season: the team that wins the Super Bowl title. The 31 other teams that do not achieve that goal have all failed to attain the ultimate prize that every one of them sets out at the beginning of the season to attain.

Contrary to what some fans seem to believe, merely making the playoffs or even winning a game or two in the post-season means nothing. The ultimate goal is to win the Super Bowl title. That is the "be-all" and "end-all" that every team is seeking to achieve. Anything less does not particularly matter. (ie The NY Jets made the playoffs in 2006, but did that make them a "good" team or mean that they would be good enough to be able to contend for a Super Bowl title this season?)

But, despite failing to attain this ultimate goal, that does not mean that some of the other teams cannot have successful seasons. Successful in relative terms.

As any reasonably good athlete will tell you, no professional team, no matter how devoid of talent, sets out at the beginning of the season believing that it cannot win--if they did, why bother playing their games at all? Call them optimists or "homers", if you will, for believing that somehow, someway, they will find a way to win it all. Yet, we all know--those of us who follow the game--before the season even starts that the reality is that some teams have little or no chance (barring some miracle of astronomical proportions) of winning the Super Bowl. For a fan of one of these teams, understanding and accepting this is, in my view, simply being a "realist".

Despite their lofty goals of winning a Super Bowl, for some teams in the NFL, realistically, success must be defined in relative terms: in terms of improvement, of adding and developing talent, of being competitive against teams with superior talent, of gaining experience and learning from it, etc.--because, when you take a hard look at them, these teams, for whatever reasons, these teams simply lack the talent and/or experience and/or character/quality and/or coaching, etc. to have any reasonable chance of winning a Super Bowl.

It is simply not being realistic or fair for a fan of one of these teams to EXPECT that team to win a Super Bowl or even make the playoffs (for whatever that is worth). He/she can hope or want that team to do so--and can complain to high heaven if the team does not fulfill those desires--but that is not being realistic or a "realist". A "homer whose expectations are based on unsubstantiated desires and unstated hopes, maybe, but not a "realist".

The fan who is the true "realist", in my view, is the one who shares his/her team's hopes of ultimate success, but is realistic enough to see the team's flaws and needs, to understand and accept that the odds are against the team achieving its ultimate goal, and, yet, is willing to base his evaluation of the direction that the team is going on the relative success or failure of the team's season in terms of its attainment of various secondary goals.

Now, how does this apply to the Bills' season thus far?

The reality is that the Tom Donahoe regime was a disaster for the Buffalo Bills franchise. One can argue that GM John Butler and his assistant AJ Smith should never have been allowed to leave the Bills, but the truth is that Butler left the Bills in "salary cap hell" and there is no telling how the team would have done had he remained and tried to deal with that situation. That's a "what-if" that doesn't matter--what does matter is that Donahoe was hired and the approach that he took to running the team utterly failed.

The lockerroom that GM Marv Levy inherited was a mess. Realistically, that collection of players had no chance of winning a Super Bowl or ever winning a Super Bowl. Not unless Levy could have hired Bill Belichick and traded for Tom Brady or Peyton Manning--which simply was not going to happen.

Before Levy could put together a collection of players capable of having any reasonable chance of winning a Super Bowl, he first had to get rid of the players that the Bills already had who had contributed to or played major roles in the collapse of the team during the 2005 season. He also had to get rid of those players who didn't want to play in Buffalo or who were only interested in the most money that they could--because you don't build winning teams, teams with players who are willing to sacrifice and work for the good of the team, with such players.

But, because many of those players were the team's best athletes and players, that meant denuding the team of a great deal of its talent. Which, naturally, meant that the team would be moving forward with a lot less talent than most of the teams in the NFL and that it would have to replace that talent before it could reasonably be expected to have a chance to win a Super Bowl title.

Levy and owner Ralph Wilson decided that, rather than repeat the approach that Donahoe took of building the team around big-name free agents, they would take a totally different approach and build the team from the ground up with young, "high-character" players that their coaches could mould into a winning team as they gained experience. Realistically, however, that meant that it would take longer to build the team into a unit that would have a reasonable chance of winning a title.

Of course Wilson and Levy were not going to tell Bills fans that were going to take an approach of rebuilding the Bills that would, realistically, take 3-4 years to produce a team capable of possibly competing for a Super Bowl title. The Bills are a business and Wilson has to sell tickets to the games and team merchandise to make money--he doesn't want his team playing in a half full stadium (even if he could afford to have them do so)! So, naturally, he and Levy and the Bills coaches were all going to tell the media and the public that the team would be looking to win a Super Bowl--that's what every team has as its goal, after all.

But, realistically, after getting rid of all of the talented players that the Bills virtually pushed out of their lockerroom (they just about gave T.Spikes away, just to get rid of him!), the Bills simply did not have enough talent left on their roster at the beginning of the 2006 or even the 2007 season to have much of a chance of winning a Super Bowl title--as evidenced, if by nothing else, by their losses to the Pats this season. That should have been obvious to anyone who has been following the team and the NFL in recent years.

While being a fan--which comes from the word "fanatic"--means wanting, hoping and/or believing that your team will win the ultimate prize of a title and supporting them in spite of the fact that they may have no reasonable chance of doing so, for any Bills fan to EXPECT that the team would win or even have a reasonable chance of winning the Super Bowl this season was simply not realistic.

A true "realist" would have recognized that the team was too young, did not have enough playmakers, was too unstable at the most critical position on the team, and simply did not have sufficient overall talent to have even a 25% chance of capturing a Super Bowl title going into this season. Only someone who was being totally unreasonable or a deluded fanatic--a "homer" of the greatest proportions--could possibly EXPECT the Bills to win the Super Bowl this season--even at the beginning.

That being said, the success or failure of the Bills season could only reasonably and realistically be evaluated in relative terms.

Did the Bills add needed talent to their roster? Did the team--and particularly their young players--gain much needed experience that will help them play better in the future and did they learn from that experience? Did the team demonstrate the comraderie, work-ethic and character that it will need in order to become an elite team in the future? Was the team competitive in its games? Did it play hard or quit when faced with adversity? Did the team and its players improve over the previous season and as the season progressed? etc.

Prior to the start of the season, many, if not all (there were a couple of exceptions), of the people here who called themselves "realists" predicted that the Bills would win 6 games or less this season. There were even some who predicted that the Bills would be lucky to win 3-4 games and would be competing for the worst record in the NFL.

Were they being realistic in their evaluation or expressing their worst fears (while, perhaps, secretly hoping that the team would be better than they were willing to say) or were they expressing their frustration that management was not taking the approach to putting together the team that they would take were they in charge (an ego-centric view that might or might not have some merit)?

There were some others--often refered to as "homers"--who felt that the team would do better than that. While some were wildly optimistic in predicting that the Bills would win 9-11 games and be serious playoff contenders, the vast majority in this group felt that the team would show progress and could match or slightly exceed their total of 7 wins in 2006. Those in this group that predicted that the team would win 7-9 games did not expect the Bills to be capable of winning a Super Bowl title, but expected the team to have a relatively successful season nonetheless, based upon the kind of criteria that I cited above.

Were they being realistic in their evaluation or were they being blindly optimistic in their thinking and overlooking all of the team's flaws that the so-called "realists" kept pointing out to them?

Well, how has the season played out?

With 2 games remaining, the Bills have already matched their 2006 win total with 7 victories.

While their schedule has proven to be easier than it looked to be before the season started, they have only lost one game to a team with a worse record than their own--a last minute 1 point loss to preseason playoff favorite Denver. One of their losses was on a last second FG to NFC leaders Dallas and they played a very close game in abominable conditions against an emerging Cleveland Browns team.

While much has been made of their abysmal rankings in total offense and defense, the defense ranks 15th in the league in the all important category of points allowed per game--which is respectable, but not as good as their 10th place ranking in 2006. However, if you exclude their 2 losses to the the offensive juggernaut that New England has assembled this season, the Bills would rank 5th in the league in this category.

As has been mentioned in other posts (John Doe in HHurricane's thread), most preseason expectations were based on JP Losman taking all of the snaps for the Bills this season. Rather than building on his respectable finish to the 2006 season, however, Losman regressed this season, missed some games due to injury, and was ultimately benched in favor of rookie QB Trent Edwards. While Edwards has not "lit up" the league--or even been given much of a chance to light up the league--he has shown many positive signs in his demeanor, leadership and play--performing far better than any other rookie QB this season so far--that make it appear that he will be better suited to leading the team forward than the erratic Losman. Whether Edwards will be able to develop into a QB who can compete head-to-head with the elite QBs, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Tony Romo, who are most likely to be leading the teams that the Bills will have to beat in order to win a Super Bowl remains to be seen and won't become apparent until at least the end of next season.

But, the fact that the Bills have been able to not only be competitive, but win games with a rookie QB at the helm of their offense has to be seen as a positive signs--this is not something that is usually the case. Especially since the Bills have once again reverted to an extremely conservative offensive approach--which has made their offense predictable and made it more difficult for them to move the ball--in an effort to protect and nuture their rookie signal-caller (such an approach is often "a two-edged sword").

Add to that the fact that 1st Round draft pick Marshawn Lynch has shown, even as a rookie, that he can be a more than adequate replacement for the departed Willis McGahee and the emergence of Fred Jackson as a capable # 2 RB and it is not hard to conclude that the Bills are finishing the 2007 season in better shape at the RB position than they ended the 2006 season.

Neither Edwards nor Lynch had ever played in snow or the type of cold that is typical in Buffalo before this season. That certainly showed in Edwards' performance against the Browns in Cleveland last Sunday--when it took almost 3 quarters for him to adjust his throws to compensate for the wind conditions. The experience that they--and the other young Bills players from the South and West--gained in playing in those conditions will stand them in good stead in their future careers in Buffalo going forward. While his receivers didn't help him with their dropped passes in the second half, the fact that Edwards was able to ultimately make adjustments and throw some accurate passes in 4th quarter, with the winds blowing 25-35 mph, was very encouraging, even if the final outcome of the game was disappointing.

All of this has been accomplished with the team being decimated by injuries--injuries that have sidelined some of the talented young players that Levy has brought in to help rejuvenate the team and have forced the team to play back-ups and street free agents who would otherwise not be playing. The result has been that the Bills have found some valuable players on their bench who will be able to help the team move to the next level.

The Bills could have quit--as the 2005 team did--or used all of the injuries, particularly the devastating near-fatal loss of Kevin Everett, as an excuse for not playing hard. But, instead, the Bills have built a reputation around the league as a team that, perhaps, plays harder than any other in the NFL. Their work-ethic and effort has drawn notice from players, coaches and media observers (who generally have had little good to say about the Bills in recent years).

And, some of the young players that have been brought in to replace those jettisoned when Marv Levy took over as GM have begun to emerge as the kinds of leaders that a team needs to have if it is going to have a reasonable chance to win a Super Bowl. With all of the injuries that hit the team at the beginning of the 2007 season, Donte Whitner took it upon himself to organize weekly team get-togethers which the players, themselves, have said has allowed the team to bond together and has encouraged them to work harder.

All of these things would indicate that, despite the team's continued lack of sufficient talent, flaws and short-comings that still need to be addressed, and failure to win its biggest game of the year and make the playoffs, the Bills' season has been a relative success thus far (at least one more win in its last two games would underscore this).

Realistically, one can see progress.

Of course, there will be those who will cite the team's failure to make the playoffs yet again and any number of statistics that reveal the team's many remaining flaws as evidence that the team is not that good and as a reason to complain. Fine.

Realistically, the Bills, as presently constituted, are not good enough to be considered an elite team capable of winning a Super Bowl yet. And, there is no guarantee that they will get to the point where they will be able to win a Super Bowl--no offense to Jim Kelly and the teams of the early 1990s, but the last time that the Bills actually won a title was in 1965 and they have not won a Super Bowl yet (and neither have most of the teams in the NFL).

Nor are they talented enough to make the playoffs--for what that's worth--without some stability and experience at the quarterback position, which they haven't had really since Jim Kelly retired. That's true, too.

They do not have Pro Bowl players at every position. No team does--not even the Pats. And, since Levy took over and took the team in a different direction than Donahoe, they haven't had a chance to build up the kind of winning tradition and potential to prompt free agent Pro Bowlers to sign with them at discount rates either. To expect them to is simply not realistic.

Yes, they give up a lot of yards on defense. But, except in the two games against the Pats, for the most part they have done a quite reasonable job of not giving up a lot of points. Is there room for improvement? In all categories? You bet! But, it is not realistic to expect perfection, especially from a team that is obviously still a "work-in-progress". Have they done a good job considering all of the injuries that they have had on defense? Show me a team that has lost as many man-games from its projected starters and key reserves that has done as well in recent years. Indy? Maybe. (They also have Peyton Manning running their offense who can help their defense, the Bills don't have QB who can do that, at least not yet.)

Does the offense need a lot of work? No doubt. Stability and experience and quality play at QB would help a LOT. Did they waste a lot of time on JP Losman? Yes, but they had to find out, once and for all, if he could get the job done--they had too much invested in him not to do that. Unfortunately, Losman has turned out to be a better citizen of the City of Buffalo than he has been a QB for the Bills. Can Edwards give the Bills the kind of quarterbacking that Losman couldn't and that they need to make a run at winning a Super Bowl title? Only time will tell, but at least Edwards has shown some positive signs that he might be able to develop into such a QB. Finding a QB that shows such promise puts the Bills ahead of about half the teams in the NFL. But, even if Edwards is the right man for the job, realistically, it is going to take some time for him to show that he is. Half a season, for a guy who never played in snow before this year, isn't nearly enough to expect him to.

Did the Bills coaching staff cost the team two valuable wins this season? Probably. Could they have done a better job of coaching and preparing the team in some of the other games that they played. Certainly. Are they the only coaching staff that blew games that their teams could have won? No. Could the coaches of all of the other teams have done a better job of coaching and preparing their teams in some (perhaps even many) of their games? If you ask them, I'd bet they would say that they could have (even Bill Belichick, if you could get him to answer!).

The truth is that no coaching staff is perfect and none make perfect calls all of the time. As fans, we don't get to see how many times talent and luck makes up for bad coaching decisions in football (in basketball, coaches often joke about the times when a player makes them say, "No, no, no...YES!", you don't think that that happens at times in football, too?).

The question is whether Dick Jauron and his staff are good enough coaches to win a Super Bowl with the Bills. I don't know the answer to that. No one does because, right now, realistically, the Bills are not a talented, experienced, stable or all-around good enough team to win enough games to have a chance to play in a Super Bowl game. And, we may never find out.

But, as Ingtar pointed out in a post some months ago, Jauron's Bills work and play hard for him and they do not commit a lot of penalties. There were several points this season when his young players could have quit on him or packed it in for the season (just look at the Ravens, Bengals or Lions), but they haven't. They have continued to play hard and even some of his players have mentioned that they have all bought into what the coaching staff is trying to do. Has anyone considered the possibility that the Bills might not have won some of the games that they have this season if that were not the case? Just think back a couple of years to the Bills teams that Gregg Williams and Mike Mularkey coached.

Any coach who's being honest will tell you that talent makes coaches better. Talent can overcome some of the mistakes that coaches make that could cost their teams games. The Bills don't have enough talent to do that yet and they don't have the kind of on-field leaders (the Peyton Mannings, Tedy Bruschis) and experience yet to overcome or correct the kinds of mistakes that we have seen Jauron and his staff make this season. Can they add that kind of talent, experience and leadership? Well, you could see that they have added talent and begun to develop leadership this season, so it is reasonable to expect that, with more experience for their young talent, they have a realistic chance of moving in that direction.

Does that mean that Jauron and his staff can take the Bills to "the promised land"? Again, I don't know. What Jauron and his staff has shown this season is that they are good at teaching their players how to work and prepare and how to approach the game--how to play hard and use the talent that they have (look at Greer, DiGiorgio, etc.)--but I don't know if Jauron is, or can be, a good enough "in-game" coach to take the team to its ultimate goal. But, for a team at the stage that this one is at, realistically, he has done a decent job. Could he have done better? Yes. But, he also could have done a lot worse, too.

So, then, is it being a "realist" or a "homer" to look at the Bills' season thus far and conclude that, taking everything into consideration, it has been relatively successful?

I would argue that, realistically, this team has achieved about as much (perhaps even a little more) as could be reasonably expected from them.

Could they have won a couple of more games. Possibly. Perhaps even probably. But, at the same time, they could have lost a lot more, too. Since every year NFL teams lose games they "woulda, coulda, shoulda" won and lose games they probably should have lost, I call it even and see it as just further evidence to support the argument that the team has shown progress in the right direction since last season.

Does the fact that I see the Bills' season thus far as a relative success mean that I am willing to accept mediocrity from the team? Definitely not!!! I don't care if the team doesn't make the playoffs--I'm not in the least bit happy that the team does not have a reasonable chance to win the Super Bowl (and is not likely to be ready to do so until at least the season after next)! I want to see the Bills win the Lombardi Trophy before my body gives out on me--screw the playoffs!!! So, no, I am not satisfied by the 7-9 wins that they will end up with.

But, I am also being realistic.

The Donahoe era cannot be undone. It happened. It's over. And, considering where the team was at the end of the 2005 season and how it performed last season, given all of the injuries, JP Losman's regression and the rotating of QBs that took place this season, I have to say that I have seen progress in the right direction. Realistically, this has been modest progress, but it has been progress nonetheless.

A step backwards could have reasonably been expected this season under the circumstances, but that did not happen. The Bills have, for the most part, done what they were supposed to do under those circumstances to show progress. They will have to continue to add more talent, especially more playmakers, and continue to show even more progress to, realistically, put themselves in a position where they will have a reasonable chance to finally win that Super Bowl title that is their stated goal and that I want so desperately to see them win.

As the offseason approaches, I am going to continue to hope/believe that the Bills will do precisely that and that the team will be even better next season.

So, again I ask, am I a "realist" or a "homer"???

clumping platelets
12-19-2007, 05:40 AM
I am a realistic homer :D

LtBillsFan66
12-19-2007, 05:49 AM
I am a realistic homer :D

Me too. :shake:

LtFinFan66
12-19-2007, 06:01 AM
Homeristic

Yasgur's Farm
12-19-2007, 06:31 AM
Excellent post LTBF... I'm way too lazy to give that much effort to write someting like that... But I'm not too lazy to read every word.

The building and growing over the years toward a Super Bowl championship is what determines success as opposed to failure. As a fan, it's the ride that we cherish... Not necessarily where that ride ends. :candle:

Tinboy
12-19-2007, 06:57 AM
Wow a sound Bills fan! Excellent post, I agree with you 110%: I have followed the Bills for almost twenty years and it's been a bumpy but so is it with every team. I bet the Pats or Colts fans didn't find the early 90s to funny.

BidsJr
12-19-2007, 07:14 AM
Homeristic


What he said!:rockon:

Buckets
12-19-2007, 07:16 AM
LTBF

I too have been there from the start and have had to endure the anguish, and frustration as well as the feeling of victory (another one bites the dust!) of the past 48 years. It's a shame that so many of the self proclaimed "realists" seem to need immediate gratification. Being a Bills fan is a long ride, there will be highs and lows but it's the big picture that has to be viewed this is the "reality". I used to be a pound the table-scream at the TV type but over the years you realize that the Bills will be what they are going to be. You learn to look for the bright spots and of course are upset over bone headed moves wether they be coaching or personell or execution.
As I read your post I couldn't believe how my thoughts over the last few day paralleled what you wrote. This is reality.

hydro
12-19-2007, 07:30 AM
Great post!

Now the question is... how long before someone ruins this thread?

madness
12-19-2007, 07:50 AM
Great post!

Now the question is... how long before someone ruins this thread?

Don't you know if you go looking for the devil, he'll eventually show his face? :snicker:

TigerJ
12-19-2007, 07:53 AM
Personally, I think I start from a realistic base, but then I ask myself, "If we catch some breaks, what's the best I can reasonably hope for." I think that makes me what Clump is, "a realistic homer."

Billzz
12-19-2007, 09:08 AM
LTBF that was a piece of art you produced. Well thought out and really the sentiment of most bills fans IMO, realist or not.

Regardless of rooting for this team for 40 years or 4 months I think what you see posted from people is a combination of their personalities and patience in dealing with issues close to them. Being a fan of a team "fanatic" as you say, makes a person ride the ups and downs of a team and also makes it personal. Over the last few years the "hope" that has been fed to the fan base dwindled away after TD screwed up this franchise for years, no denying it. That coupled with the dead zone after the SB years has really brought out some bitterness for some fans who feel slapped in the face by the franchise for preaching one thing, then delivering something totally different.

The past is the past to me personally. I do not dwell on it nor do I wish to relive certain parts of it, so I ignore it all about this franchise or else it would consume me. I started being a fan in 1977 from my first memories, the Blizzard of 77' and the Bills are all I really remember. I could never root for, or enjoy the satisfaction I get from the Bills winning with another team, almost like cheating. Even being a Tampa resident for 12 years I recieved no satisfaction when they won the SB. Point being I cannot help but be hopelessly positive about the future and see what Marv & Co. have done with this franchise to this point. High character players as you have stated to fill the roster and finally we can start picking up some stars for this team, not that Lynch, Poz, etc. are not.

Anyway great post, I enjoyed reading it and think all fans are just, fans. :gobills:

Philagape
12-19-2007, 09:10 AM
There are two ways of measuring one's emotional reaction to how the Bills do.
One is looking at the big picture: How they've performed under extraordinary negative circumstances (Everett, 14 players on IR, QB controversy, etc.). In that light, the season is encouraging because of the way the players play for Dick, and the jackpot in cap room that awaits in the next offseason that can address a lot of the holes on the team. In that light, we've overachieved.
The other approach is evaluating the season game-by-game, even play-by-play. It's there where the frustration sets in, because there have been many times where a player or coach has failed at something he should be expected to do at the NFL level. The QB made a bad pass. The OC made a bad call. The receiver dropped a pass. In a season in which four of the seven losses were winnable, every mistake is magnified because we're a handful of plays away from the playoffs. Bills fans have a right and even a duty to be upset about it. In that light, we've underachieved.
Neither approach is wrong. The most emotionally healthy approach is a balance between the two. Unfortunately, there are some posters who take each side to the extreme; sometimes, the reason for that is to balance out the other side. In a season that's provoked so many debates, I've noticed that some will say things that even they don't entirely believe (evidenced by their more moderate posts) because they get p'd off at one extreme and therefore take up the other. They, in turn, get misunderstood by some, and the fighting escalates.

As far the homer-realist thing, again, neither side is wrong to feel the way they do. There's nothing wrong with being a rah-rah cheerleader and always believing the best. The problem comes when the cheerleaders try to translate their pro-Bills bias into rational discussion in the same forum where the realists dwell. Homerism has its place, but that's not it. It's one thing to say "I hope the Bills succeed"; it's quite another to say "The Bills will succeed" or "The Bills are succeeding" when facts and reason don't bear that out. Emotion and reason don't mix well. Almost by definition, emotion isn't rational.
The other problem is when one side can't tolerate the other. I see this more on the homer side, with frequent complaints about negativity. I'm sorry, but if you can't tolerate points of view that offend you, you have no business being in a public forum. There's so much strife and violence in the world because people can't handle being offended. Freedom of speech requires tolerance of views you don't agree with or that clash with your emotions. You can refute arguments, you can ignore them, but you can't complain about their existence. You don't like it? Tough.

:2cents:

jpdex12
12-19-2007, 10:36 AM
LTBF has a new name...it's THE PROFESSOR!

That was the best post I have ever read and longest. The most level headed words frmo a fan I have heard and I'm glad it came from a Bill's fan.

I suffer from realistic homerism! SEriously, I think that I am a realist that is why I don't rant and complain everyday like some others but I am like an alcoholic falling off the wagon...I have moments of homerism and I don't mind it at all. It's like going out and getting hammered and saying you will never do it again, but then what do you go and do? Get hammered the following weekend (at the Bill's game of course).

I compare my love for the Bills to the game of golf. You will never golf a perfect game and it can be awful frustrating but that is what keeps you coming back. That is why I love the Bills and always will no matter if we win the next 10 superbowls or have another 10 years of playoff drought. When it finally happens and we win the big one it will feel all the more sweeter. Kind of like a 70 year old virgin priest finally getting his rocks off for the first time.

Did that sound right?

Good post, good points, good perspective! Go Bills!

Johnny Bugmenot
12-19-2007, 01:23 PM
Holy cow... even though I disagree with some points I think this is an excellent post.

I disagree because I think there needs to be a solid standard by which a year can be considered "success" or "failure" To say the only "successful" season is a Super Bowl win is unrealistic, since only 1 team out of 32 can win it all each year.

If this were a perennial playoff team, such as the Sabres, then yes, this would be a realistic goal since they have been one of the top 4 teams in the league in recent years and had a realistic opportunity to reach that goal. The Bills, however, are not the Sabres.

The reason I consider the playoffs to be the goal is that it is a reasonable delimiting point between the good teams and the bad teams. Given full turnover, a team should make the playoffs once every two to three years. Argue what you will about the playoffs being too restrictive (personally I think it should be expanded to 14, since 12 out of 28 from 6 divisions used to make it), but if you think about it, if you eliminate the perennial elites (New England) and the perennial bottom-feeders (Arizona, Houston and Detroit), you should reasonably expect a team to make the playoffs every three years or so.

With that in mind, take a look at this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NFL_franchise_post-season_droughts

Buffalo is tied with Matt Millen's Detroit Lions and one year shorter than the Arizona Cardinals for longest playoff appearance drought, tied for 6th longest playoff win drought, tied for 7th longest conference championship appearance drought, 11th longest Super Bowl appearance drought, and 7th longest league title win drought. We are the longest waiting city for a Super Bowl win along with Detroit and Atlanta (although both have hosted one, and the NFL refuses to grant one to cold weather cities without domes). Is that acceptable for you? Are we willing to accept this continuing failure to make a reasonably acceptable goal? Buffalo is associating itself with the likes of Detroit and Arizona with its futility, and I don't think anybody here wants to be associated with the likes of those two teams, and I don't care what it takes, the team needs to be turned around and quickly if they want to avoid this. A good quarterback can change a lot (see how nobody's on the Bengals' backs anymore now that they got into the playoffs back in '05-06).

John Doe
12-19-2007, 03:02 PM
I don't know if LTBF is a homer or realist.

I do know that he is one fine poster.

justasportsfan
12-19-2007, 03:05 PM
I don't know if LTBF is a homer or realist.

I do know that he is one fine poster.
he posts as long as wys but doesn't say the same things over and over again. Good read.

madness
12-19-2007, 03:13 PM
he posts as long as wys but doesn't say the same things over and over again. Good read.

LBF's opinions ----> :bullseye:


wys' opinions ----->http://www.localseoguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/off-target.png

(Even as a child, Miyagi never learned that jumping in the pic at the last second could be hazardous to his health.)

shelby
12-19-2007, 03:46 PM
LTBF....may i publish your post, as an article, on our front page? Please?

Great read. Thank you and :gobills:

PECKERWOOD
12-19-2007, 04:36 PM
That is WAY too much to read, CUT IT DOWN A BIT DAMMIT! I have ADD, you're way too much work for me. *WARNING* SYSTEM OVERLOARD!!* ERROR, ERROR, ERROR, ERROR.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

Yasgur's Farm
12-19-2007, 05:40 PM
LTBF....may i publish your post, as an article, on our front page? Please?

Great read. Thank you and :gobills:Excellent suggestion

LifetimeBillsFan
12-20-2007, 02:52 AM
LTBF....may i publish your post, as an article, on our front page? Please?

Great read. Thank you and :gobills:

Of course!

While I haven't been well enough to write the weekly preview articles this season, BZ has had and has my permission to put anything that I write or submit here on the BZ front page if desired. I really didn't set out to write an article when I started writing, but, if you think it is good enough to go on the front page, by all means, feel free to publish it. I consider it a compliment that you would want to.

jamze132
12-20-2007, 03:26 AM
Of course!

While I haven't been well enough to write the weekly preview articles this season, BZ has had and has my permission to put anything that I write or submit here on the BZ front page if desired. I really didn't set out to write an article when I started writing, but, if you think it is good enough to go on the front page, by all means, feel free to publish it. I consider it a compliment that you would want to.
Dude, of course its good enough to go on there. Its one of the best pieces to ever grace the front page.

I for one have never been impressed with most of the articles on the front page, especially from Wys, but your is just great.

shelby
12-20-2007, 04:28 AM
Done!
Thank you LBF!

LifetimeBillsFan
12-20-2007, 05:38 AM
....I bet the Pats or Colts fans didn't find the early 90s to funny.

Precisely. If you look at the NFL/AFL over the last 47 years, the thing that you will notice is that teams tend to go in cycles, often with down cycles corresponding to the franchise's inability to acquire a top-flight QB and/or a series of busts with its top draft picks. It has happened to virtually every time at one time or another (Pittsburgh was a laughingstock when I was a kid; how good were the 49ers before Joe Montana arrived; etc.), even with good HCs (how did Landry's last Dallas teams do; how good Belichick's Cleveland teams; how well has Joe Gibbs done in his return to Washington?, etc.). It is tough to maintain excellence over the long-term in the NFL and few teams have managed to do it for sustained periods over more than a decade.

Tom Donahoe whiffed big-time with Mike Williams and JP Losman and poor picks in the lower half of his drafts (and it can be argued Willis McGahee, too), which set the Bills back for half a decade or more. Not to mention Drew Bledsoe and some of his other free agent acquisitions. That can't be undone, only overcome.


....The other approach is evaluating the season game-by-game, even play-by-play. It's there where the frustration sets in, because there have been many times where a player or coach has failed at something he should be expected to do at the NFL level. The QB made a bad pass. The OC made a bad call. The receiver dropped a pass. In a season in which four of the seven losses were winnable, every mistake is magnified because we're a handful of plays away from the playoffs. Bills fans have a right and even a duty to be upset about it. In that light, we've underachieved....

I have no problem with those who would take this approach--I do myself at times--but the problem that I have with a lot of people that take this approach is that they are not always reasonable in making their assessments. Because, as you point out, every mistake is magnified, some seem to expect either that there be no mistakes or that a mistake at a critical point not be made. This makes me wonder if these people ever played a sport at a reasonably high level.

No player or coach sets out to make mistakes. But, they make them. No player or coach ever wants to make a mistake at a critical time in the game that will end up costing his team a game. But, even the best have (witness Jackie Smith's drop in the end zone that cost Dallas a SB win--it may have been Smith's only drop that season or critical mistake in his career).

It is almost a cliche that young players who are inexperienced, especially those who are stepping up to a higher level of competition than they have ever faced before, will make mistakes. And, critical mistakes. Back in the "old days" there were HCs in football and basketball who would not even play a rookie player because they believed in the adage that "every rookie who starts for your team will cost your team a victory during the course of a season" (I actually played for such a coach who openly stated this). Just because the pressures of the salary cap, free agency and injuries have forced teams to play their younger, inexperienced players sooner, that doesn't change the fact that they are going to make mistakes--and at critical times. They are going to. So are inexperienced offensive and defensive coordinators as well. And, so are head coaches.

Sometimes coaching staffs and players will get on a roll and everything will go right: they won't make as many mistakes and the mistakes that they make will not cost them games. Witness the NY Jets last season: Eric "Mangenius" was the toast of the town in NYC.

Then, again, sometimes the roll will go the other way: is anyone calling Eric Mangini, "Mangenius" this season? No.

The reason that top-flight teams are more able to overcome the mistakes that they make--and they seem to make less mistakes at critical times--is that they have quality, experienced, talented players that can help the younger, inexperienced players to make fewer mistakes and know how to use their talent to respond to and overcome mistakes. Coaching helps in this regard, but isn't the be-all and end-all: P.Manning or T.Brady can and will audible out of a bad play call by the OC a lot more easily and readily than a rookie QB like T.Edwards at this stage of his career, which means the Colts and Pats will run fewer bad plays than the Bills.

But, in my view, all of that is to be expected and factored into one's expectations of the team if one is to be realistic in assessing their chances and performance. One is hardly being a "realist" if one expects T.Edwards, with less than a season under his belt in the NFL, to avoid making mistakes and help his team overcome mistakes the same way that T.Brady or P.Manning can at this point in their careers.

(This is why I tend to be harsher in my assessment of Jauron and his coaching staff and JP Losman than I have been of the team's young players.)


....I have moments of homerism and I don't mind it at all. It's like going out and getting hammered and saying you will never do it again, but then what do you go and do? Get hammered the following weekend (at the Bill's game of course).

I compare my love for the Bills to the game of golf. You will never golf a perfect game and it can be awful frustrating but that is what keeps you coming back....

I never played a game in any of the sports that I played where I went into the game not expecting my team to win. Never.

At one point in my career, I played lacrosse for a team that had never won a single game in its league. I was one of a couple of young guys from mostly smaller or lesser programs on a team that was mostly composed of older, over-the-hill guys and faded stars from similar programs, while the other teams were populated from top-to-bottom of their rosters by stars from all of the best programs in the country. My team had NO CHANCE and we got hammered week in and week out. But, every week we would go out there expecting to get a win--and, eventually, as me and a couple of the other young guys got better and took on more lead role on the team, we actually won a couple of games my last season with the team.

As a goalie, I can tell you that, while I did log a couple of shutouts in my career (when I played on really good teams), I had to learn to have a short memory, in one regard, because I never played a game where I didn't make at least some mistakes and there were some games when, if I dwelled on one goal that I had given up, three more would have been past me in the next minute. But, at the same time, I also had to try to learn from those mistakes so that I wouldn't make them again--although there were times (and certain ones) that I did.

But, giving up a goal or losing a game was certainly not reason enough to complain, quit playing or stop expecting to win. You play to win, but, win or lose, you work to improve and get better.


...If this were a perennial playoff team, such as the Sabres....

You must be very young or have a short memory. The Sabres were not always a perennial playoff team...and not all that long ago. Like the Bills, the Sabres have had their up and down times.

Also, in the NHL, more than half of the teams make the playoffs (it may be half now, but it used to be more than half). That is not the case in the NFL.


...The reason I consider the playoffs to be the goal is that it is a reasonable delimiting point between the good teams and the bad teams....

But, making the playoffs really isn't a reasonable delimiting point between the good teams and the bad teams in the NFL. The Jets made the playoffs last season, are they a good team with a reasonable chance of winning a SB title in the next year or two? Miami made the playoffs two years ago, what about them? Washington? Cincy? The NY Giants have made the playoffs quite often in this decade, are they a good enough team to actually have a reasonably good chance to win a Super Bowl?

I would argue that just making the playoffs (to get knocked out in the first round), just for the sake of making the playoffs is not a particularly good yardstick by which to measure whether a NFL team is good enough to win a title. I would argue that a team has to be built to make a sustained playoff run in order to be considered a good team with a reasonable chance of winning a Super Bowl. It takes skill, a bit of luck, and time to put together a group of the right kind of players with sufficient talent to make that kind of run if you are building from scratch. And, Bills fans must recognize that, after the Donahoe disaster, this Bills team is being built up from pretty much scratch.

Now, where I will agree with you, in a certain sense, is in viewing the lack of playoff appearances over a sustained period of time as being evidence that a team has not been properly run for at least a portion of that time. And, with regard to the Bills, I will grant you that point. I seriously doubt that you will find any Bills fan who will say that Tom Donahoe did a good job of running the Bills. I, for one, believe that he did not.

By dismantling the team that the Bills had when he arrived and putting together a squad that would ultimately implode on him in 2005--while, at the same time having two first round busts (Mike Williams and JP Losman), a mishandled first round pick (replacing Travis Henry with Willis McGahee), and getting virtually nothing out of the second day of any of his drafts--Donahoe set back the Bills franchise at least half a decade, if not more (and I would argue more!). The Donahoe Regime put the Bills, who had been reasonably successful in from 1988 through 1999, back on par with perennially mismanaged franchises like Detroit and the Cardinals.

But, the Donahoe Regime is over, folks. And, it is not reasonable or fair to hold the Levy Regime, which must first overcome the failures of the Donahoe Era before it can build its own legacy, accountable for the mistakes of the Donahoe Regime. The Levy Era is only in its second year. And, thanks to Donahoe, it has a lot of ground to make up on the good teams, like the Colts and Pats, who have been well-run and have not been mis-managed over the last decade.

Now, if you want to withhold your support because the team was mis-managed by Donahoe or because you want to wait and see whether the Levy Regime will produce a good team, fine. Do that. Far be it from me to tell anyone how to spend his/her money or emotions. But, if you are not going to do that, it would only be reasonable to give Levy a reasonable amount of time to demonstrate that he is at least in the process of assembling a team that can be good enough to make a sustained playoff run and perhaps produce a title.


....(see how nobody's on the Bengals' backs anymore now that they got into the playoffs back in '05-06).

What's important--the ultimate goal of being a Bills fan? To see the team win a Super Bowl title or to get whoever may be "ragging on" the Bills to stop?

I live in the NYC area where I have had to listen to Mike Greenberg on ESPN and Chris Russo on WFAN say that the Bills stink for the last couple of years. I just laugh when I hear them. These are guys who were falling all over the Jets last season and this preseason and who considered the Bills playoff contenders in 2005. And, who are only now having to grudgingly acknowledge that this Bills team "plays hard". So, how much they really know about the Bills? And, how much does it matter to me that they are on the Bills' backs?

Let me put it to you this way: If not making the playoffs this year because they were unable to win their first big game in adverse conditions serves to motivate the Bills' young players to work harder to make sure that they can handle those elements and will not lose the next time they play a big game and leads them to begin a sustained playoff run next season, would you rather that they not make the playoffs this season--instead of making the playoffs this year and, because they (and management) would think that they are better than they really are, having them not work as hard to improve before next season, resulting in them sliding back out of the playoffs as the Jets and Dolphins have done in the last two seasons?

Personally, I would rather see them miss the playoffs for one more season and make a sustained run in succeeding years than have had them in the playoffs this year and out the next season again.

Again, I don't care what anyone says about the team along the way, I want to see the Bills win a Super Bowl title (and in my lifetime!). When they are a good enough team to have a reasonable chance to do that, the playoffs will take care of themselves. Then we'll see what those who speak ill of the Bills now will say....

Yasgur's Farm
12-20-2007, 06:06 AM
http://boards.buffalobills.com/showthread.php?p=458069#post458069

jamze132
12-20-2007, 06:10 AM
Let me put it to you this way: If not making the playoffs this year because they were unable to win their first big game in adverse conditions serves to motivate the Bills' young players to work harder to make sure that they can handle those elements and will not lose the next time they play a big game and leads them to begin a sustained playoff run next season, would you rather that they not make the playoffs this season--instead of making the playoffs this year and, because they (and management) would think that they are better than they really are, having them not work as hard to improve before next season, resulting in them sliding back out of the playoffs as the Jets and Dolphins have done in the last two seasons?


Longest sentence the world has ever seen! I love it!

chernobylwraiths
12-22-2007, 01:08 PM
Of course!

While I haven't been well enough to write the weekly preview articles this season, BZ has had and has my permission to put anything that I write or submit here on the BZ front page if desired. I really didn't set out to write an article when I started writing, but, if you think it is good enough to go on the front page, by all means, feel free to publish it. I consider it a compliment that you would want to.

My prayers are with you man!

Typ0
12-22-2007, 01:34 PM
the lickers are who we thought they were.

Turbo.GUN.Hawk!
12-22-2007, 05:02 PM
I understand the frustration but yet it seems this frustration has blinded a lot of people. I see a lot of positive things about this football team and that is extremely different from the feeling I had about the 2005 Bills.

I'm pretty sure Packer's fans were frustrated because their team didn't make it to the playoffs last season and yet many of them were excited because their team showed a lot of promise. Now, I'm not comparing the Packers with the Bills (the 2006 Packers were much better than the 2007 Bills IMO) but what I'm trying to say is that evaluating this season as a failure just because we didn't make it to the playoffs is too extreme. The Bills have been eliminated many years from the playoffs and yet I feel I am more confident about the next season than in previous years (I started watching football in 2002).

Anyway, the simple fact of advancing to the playoffs is too overrated. If you don't have a team that will be able to compete then you are going to get punished really hard. I prefer to watch an improving young team that is getting ready step by step for better moments than a team that was just able to make it to the playoffs but yet they don't really have the potential to improve that status. One clear example for me is the New York Giants: they have been able to make to the playoffs the last two seasons but have they done anything special? I'm more excited about Buffalo's future than the Giants' future.


I wanted Buffalo to advance to the postseason but what I was really looking forward this season is to watch a talented promising team awake. Some people feel this is just another failure because they have been blinded and they are not able to appreciate the positive things about the team.

Turbo.GUN.Hawk!
12-22-2007, 05:08 PM
Besides, this process began in 2006 when TD and Mularkey were fired. We are talking about a two years process and some people like to make it seem like a eight year process (since the last time we made it to the playoffs).

TD's strategy did not work out so now the franchise is attempting something different. That is the key for any losing team, keep trying. So far Levy's process is going in the right direction.