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HHURRICANE
01-05-2008, 10:37 AM
Sorry, but we need a GM and an OC plus a lot of players. Marv did an excellent job of putting us in a situation to succeed moving forward.

Cam Cameron is the top OC available. He will not come here on the cheap so Ralph will have to open up the purse strings to get him.

GM is by far one of the most critical positions so taking it lightly is a mistake. I'll be the first to say that Overdorf is the only guy that I would trust internally but we should be looking outside.

I'll tell you right now if Guy is our GM and Turk becomes our OC I'm going to be ripping Wilson until he's pushing daisies.

Ralph has a real chance of making two solid moves before going into FA and the draft.

He better not be stupid.

chernobylwraiths
01-05-2008, 11:24 AM
Hiring an OC is the job of the head coach, not the owner. Unless you want Dan Snyder as your owner.

Hiring a GM will be tricky. If you hire someone from outside the organization, there is a good chance you be looking for a new coach and then a new philosophy and all new personnel and we will have to go through this rebuilding all over again.

HHURRICANE
01-05-2008, 04:38 PM
Hiring an OC is the job of the head coach, not the owner. Unless you want Dan Snyder as your owner.

Hiring a GM will be tricky. If you hire someone from outside the organization, there is a good chance you be looking for a new coach and then a new philosophy and all new personnel and we will have to go through this rebuilding all over again.

Uhh, no way the OC is getting hired by Jauron alone.

chernobylwraiths
01-05-2008, 07:00 PM
Uhh, no way the OC is getting hired by Jauron alone.

maybe not, but he should have a large part in the picking process as SHOULD he being the HC.

justasportsfan
01-06-2008, 09:24 AM
I wonder if Dick will hire somone who commands a bigger salary than his own salary or be forced to find one in the dollar store or salvation army.

Confused
01-06-2008, 11:09 AM
uuuuuuhhhhhhh.........he is a cheap idiot.

Jan Reimers
01-06-2008, 11:14 AM
Be careful what you wish for. The last time we hired a big name, expensive GM and OC, their names were Tom Donahoe and Kevin Gilbride, respectively.

HHURRICANE
01-06-2008, 11:24 AM
Be careful what you wish for. The last time we hired a big name, expensive GM and OC, their names were Tom Donahoe and Kevin Gilbride, respectively.

We know what taking the cheap way out gets us. I'll take my chances.

justasportsfan
01-06-2008, 11:28 AM
We know what taking the cheap way out gets us. I'll take my chances.

we don't agree majority of the time, bit I agree 100% on this. Greghead, Mularkey Fairchild. I'm almost sure Dick isn't a top paid HC, but so far he's worth the value.

Philagape
01-06-2008, 11:55 AM
When it comes to any decision, past failures, by us or others, can't be a factor. Every decision should be made on its merits alone. Every "way to go" has succeeded and failed at some point. Every option, as far as general philosophy, should at least be on the table.

Jan Reimers
01-06-2008, 11:56 AM
We know what taking the cheap way out gets us. I'll take my chances.
All I'm saying is that blockbuster names don't always get results.

Way back when, we took a relatively unknown scout/front office guy named Bill Polian and a failed, aging coach named Marv Levy and created magic.

Sometimes you succeed simply by hiring good people, regardless of their reputation or past accomplishments.

Dr. Lecter
01-06-2008, 11:59 AM
We know what taking the cheap way out gets us. I'll take my chances.

You would have hated the Polian hiring. It was the "cheap" way out.

venis2k1
01-06-2008, 11:59 AM
Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Philagape
01-06-2008, 12:04 PM
Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

What we learned from hiring Tom Donahoe is not to hire Tom Donahoe again. That's it.

Dr. Lecter
01-06-2008, 12:07 PM
What we learned from hiring Tom Donahoe is not to hire Tom Donahoe again. That's it.

While I do agree, we also learned that hiring a big name FA GM is not a magical fix.

raphael120
01-06-2008, 12:22 PM
Ralph got burned once by his first GM and OC choice years ago, so let's hope he's learned something since then.

HHURRICANE
01-06-2008, 08:40 PM
You are supposed to look at all options.

If you take canidates off of the table because of their price tag than you have just eliminated a possible good hire.

Cameron won't even get a look here because of his price tag and that's ridiculous.

historypete
01-06-2008, 09:54 PM
I just pray we don't promote within for GM. Overdorf is a cap specialist, with no football background. The same with Brandon, but he is a marketing guru. I don't trust John Guy, I think his history in his current position is spotty at best. I would have like Modrak, but he doesn't want any of it. There isn't anyone in the college scouting dept. like Polian or Butler they would move up, but then again we really don't know their qualifications.

I would like to see Reese or Casserly come in here. They are solid football people with good backgrounds. Ralph doesn't have to give them the keys to castle here like he did Donahoe, but he does need a strong GM, not just someone to oversee everything.

As for OC, I wouldn't mind Cameron. I think he did a pretty decent job with Miami's offense considering the injuries they had and lack of talent. He did a lot more with less talent than Fairchild ever did here. The guy is not HC material, but he is a solid coordinator.

If we do hire within for OC, I'd prefer Van Pelt over Schonert. There is a reason Turk hasn't been promoted in 13 years of coaching. Plus, I think Schonert would run a similar offense to what Fairchild did. Van Pelt I think would open things up more in my opinion, and that is based on his playing experience here and under Kelly in the K-Gun days. I'm not saying it would be a return to the K-Gun, but I do think we would see a much more aggressive, attacking offense under him rather than Schonert.