Schobel (6.5) and Kelsay (2.5) combined for a total of 9 sacks this season. There were 3 New york Giants DE's with 9 or more sacks, Tuck (10), Strahan (9), and Umenyiora (13). These 3 DE's combined to have 6 more sacks than the entire Bills team. I know we just locked Schobel and Kelsay up with big contracts but i think they have to do something to get pressure on the QB. We need a DE on the opposite side of Schobel to get some pressure while he's getting double teamed.
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Originally posted by FerrygoatSchobel (6.5) and Kelsay (2.5) combined for a total of 9 sacks this season. There were 3 New york Giants DE's with 9 or more sacks, Tuck (10), Strahan (9), and Umenyiora (13). These 3 DE's combined to have 6 more sacks than the entire Bills team. I know we just locked Schobel and Kelsay up with big contracts but i think they have to do something to get pressure on the QB. We need a DE on the opposite side of Schobel to get some pressure while he's getting double teamed.
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i think losing poz really hurt the pass rush. one thing very obvious was that he has an excellent nose for the ball on running plays. with him out the linemen had to be more concerned with watching for the run than they would have with poz in there
even with that said i dont know how you cant be concerned with our ends. i mean i think theyre good but not great and probably not worth the money they spend on them. thats a problem that handicaps the entire team because they have less to spend upgrading the rotation that would make the whole unit betterOne set of rules for all in the beloved community
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Originally posted by Meatheadi think losing poz really hurt the pass rush. one thing very obvious was that he has an excellent nose for the ball on running plays. with him out the linemen had to be more concerned with watching for the run than they would have with poz in there
even with that said i dont know how you cant be concerned with our ends. i mean i think theyre good but not great and probably not worth the money they spend on them. thats a problem that handicaps the entire team because they have less to spend upgrading the rotation that would make the whole unit better
I think one of the problems was the weight loss by Schobel and Kelsay in the off-season. Both need to bulk up to 2006 levels to regain their effectiveness.
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Originally posted by Owen DeBoardYou can put another guy opposite of Schobel and it still wont matter. We need some big defensive tackles in the middle to draw double teams.
Thats why Minnesota struggles against the pass so much. They run a cover 2 with 2 giant DTs and big slow DEs. Sure they stuff the run but teams throw on them all day. Our problem is we dont have a dominant cover 2 DT like Tommie Harris or Raheem Brock.
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Originally posted by FerrygoatSchobel (6.5) and Kelsay (2.5) combined for a total of 9 sacks this season. There were 3 New york Giants DE's with 9 or more sacks, Tuck (10), Strahan (9), and Umenyiora (13). These 3 DE's combined to have 6 more sacks than the entire Bills team. I know we just locked Schobel and Kelsay up with big contracts but i think they have to do something to get pressure on the QB. We need a DE on the opposite side of Schobel to get some pressure while he's getting double teamed.
Interestingly, Osi and Strahan had only 9 sacks between them in 2006.
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If you look at the teams in the conf championships NYG have the most sacks for the season, NE has the 2nd most, SD is 5th. The 3rd and 4th teams with the most sacks is Dallas and Seattle, also playoff teams. The bottom line is the only way to slow down the great QBs is the pressure them: Brady - look at the only team to slow him down, eagles pressured him all day. Romo - the NYG were all over him. P. Manning didnt have a lot of time either. Not only that, but the Cover 2 D is designed to have pressure on the QB on every snap. We don't get that at all. IMO if you want to watch Brady pick us apart every game for the next decade keep our DE the way they are. Yeah we are paying them very well but come on the cap goes up every year, everybody is making more money. I want a DE that puts fear in the QB everytime he drops back. We need DT's too, but they take a little while to develop and I dont see use getting anyone worth anything this year for FA. McCargo will be better next year and we need to draft one in 2nd or 3rd round.
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Originally posted by Jan ReimersI agree. I've been advocating taking a pass rushing DE early in the draft.
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Better CBs help too. I think our DEs may heve been the beneficiaries of coverage that lasted longer last year. Coverage sacks."Heck, now I am glad his overrated arce made the pro bowl, else we would have only got a 3rd." ~ yordad
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I think it's obvious that you can chalk up that Giants win to their ability to pressure Romo. As the Giants offense kept going 3 and out in the 4th and giving Romo chance after chance, Romo never had time to throw and NY made the plays.
I have long been in the opinon that Schobel is a coverage sack artist. I would love this team to grab a top notch pass rusher in the 1st.
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Originally posted by FerrygoatIMO, the reason why our secondary looked so bad at times was because there was no pass rush. Losman could probably pick apart any defense in the league if he could sit back in the pocket as long as he wanted, unfortunately that wasnt the case."Heck, now I am glad his overrated arce made the pro bowl, else we would have only got a 3rd." ~ yordad
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