There is a fundemental flaw with us having a outdoor stadium...

[Mitchy moo]

Teams like Miami have a huge advantage because of climate, they get SB games. Decent size corporations can buy boxes in Miami and then get the advantage of having a SB held there every 5 years or so and being able to sell the boxes for multi-years worth of cost. I had a friend of mine that sold his box (Hooters) for $500,000 for the Indy SB. It paid for literally 5 years worth of the cost of the box. That in itself would give Buffalo a real fighting chance if we had a enclosed viable option for SB play. The corporations would have little fear of cost if they knew they had a minimal outlay with a break even type return and a write off at the same time. It maybe one of the biggest factors for the future of the Bills franchise, enclose a new beautiful stadium and have plenty of boxes.


Mark my words withing the next 5 years, the colts in their new palace will hold a SB and have all the trimmings of the SB corporate accounts.

[venis2k1]

The super bowl has become much more than a game, its now a two week long superbowl experiance with every major news network setting up shop for two weeks. Even MTV is there for petes sake, with all their celebs, its big business. Something that works better in Miami or Houston, not under 5 feet of snow in buffalo.

Although Detroit did have it a few years ago, that went pretty well.

[Mitchy moo]

The super bowl has become much more than a game, its now a two week long superbowl experiance with every major news network setting up shop for two weeks. Even MTV is there for petes sake, with all their celebs, its big business. Something that works better in Miami or Houston, not under 5 feet of snow in buffalo.

Although Detroit did have it a few years ago, that went pretty well.

Imagine corporate execs having years of fun for virtually nothing and little expense to the company. It literally is a no brainer, it would not come back to haunt them on the balance sheet and they get tickets to all the premo events. Buffalo has the advantage of having 1 of the 7 wonders of the world near them with full Vegas style gambling and the beauty of the area for people to explore for multiple weeks before the event. You get the chance to have real money show up there and say OMG it cost this little for corporate office space with a multi-national type connection. Besides the huge initial expenses, it really leaves little room for debate. The Sabres would also benefit from this type of opportunity and could capatilize on the event to hold multiple games around the event for people to enjoy.

[Mitchy moo]

I did not read this when I wrote this but after going to ESPN:

4. Hey, Len Pasquarelli, will the Super Bowl ever be played outdoors in a cold-weather city?

Because the Super Bowl is a week-long corporate event, as much as it is a football game, the NFL owners will always be reluctant to position the game is a so-called "Northern Tier" city. And playing the game in a city with an open-air stadium is probably never going to happen.

Of course, if some league precinct ever builds a non-domed stadium with a 100,000-seat capacity, anything is possible. Owners demonstrated last spring, when they awarded Dallas a title game over Indianapolis, that the millions in extra revenues created by all those extra seats definitely counts for something.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs07/news/story?id=3199028

[Mitchy moo]

If you look at the top 5 coldest what's the chance of getting a SB without a dome?? .01%?

Coldest NFL cities

Lowest average temperatures in regular-season home games in December/January since the 2000 season.

<!-- end top part --><!-- begin table --><TABLE class=left cellSpacing=0><TBODY><TR class=io-columnHeaders><TD>Team</TD><TD>Temperature average</TD></TR><TR><TD>Green Bay Packers</TD><TD>25.90 degrees (F)</TD></TR><TR class=io-evenRow><TD>Cleveland Browns</TD><TD>34.39</TD></TR><TR><TD>Kansas City Chiefs</TD><TD>35.06</TD></TR><TR class=io-evenRow><TD>Buffalo Bills</TD><TD>35.94</TD></TR><TR><TD>Pittsburgh Steelers</TD><TD>36.10</TD></TR><TR class=io-evenRow><TD>Chicago Bears</TD><TD>36.35</TD></TR><TR><TD>Cincinnati Bengals</TD><TD>36.56</TD></TR><TR class=io-evenRow><TD>New England Patriots</TD><TD>36.85</TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2>Source: Elias Sports Bureau</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- end table --><!-- end whole table -->
<!-- begin whole table -->
<!-- begin top part -->Coldest games in NFL history


<!-- end top part --><!-- begin table --><TABLE class=left cellSpacing=0><TBODY><TR class=io-columnHeaders><TD>Temperature</TD><TD>Wind Chill</TD><TD>Date</TD><TD>Location</TD><TD>Game</TD></TR><TR><TD>minus-13</TD><TD>minus-48</TD><TD>Dec. 31, 1967</TD><TD>Lambeau Field
Green Bay, Wis.
</TD><TD>Green Bay 21, Dallas 17
NFL Championship
</TD></TR><TR class=io-evenRow><TD>minus-9</TD><TD>minus-59</TD><TD>Jan. 10, 1982</TD><TD>Riverfront Stadium
Cincinnati, Ohio
</TD><TD>Cincinnati 27, San Diego 7
AFC Championship
</TD></TR><TR><TD>0</TD><TD>minus-32</TD><TD>Jan. 15, 1994</TD><TD>Rich Stadium
Orchard Park, N.Y.
</TD><TD>Buffalo 29, LA Raiders 23
AFC Divisional game
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs07/news/story?id=3199028

[Michael82]

First of all, even if they had a ****ing dome, there is no chance in hell that they will EVER get a Super Bowl in Buffalo. You must be smoking something if you think they will. :shakeno:

[Mitchy moo]

First of all, even if they had a ****ing dome, there is no chance in hell that they will EVER get a Super Bowl in Buffalo. You must be smoking something if you think they will. :shakeno:

If someone spends the money for a new top of the line stadium they will come, build the field and the will come.

You'll still be able to party outside Mikey and enjoy the food / drink, the difference is that you'll be able to relax inside come gametime.

[Crisis]

buffalo can't support a superbowl, dome or not

you're nuts

[TacklingDummy]

When is the last time the Super Bowl has been held in the Northern US?

[shelby]

i agree with Crisis....Buffalo would not be able to handle a Superbowl event. Too many people and not enough hotels and restaurants.

i personally would hate to see the Bills play in a dome.

[Mitchy moo]

i agree with Crisis....Buffalo would not be able to handle a Superbowl event. Too many people and not enough hotels and restaurants.

i personally would hate to see the Bills play in a dome.

Shel, your a few hours north of me. How many times a year do you even go to Buffalo to watch a game?? I go for the home opener and that's about it.

[BlackMetalNinja]

Skooby you're completely off base here. As others mentioned Buffalo couldn't support a Super Bowl even with a dome.

Secondly, I can think of exactly two teams in the North to EVER have a Super Bowl, regardless of new stadiums and such. Detroit has held 2, Minnesota had 1. People simply do not want to travel to a cold climate in January/February. Well, real football fans would... but you don't really find them at the Super Bowl anyways.

[RockStar36]

A dome wouldn't increase the chances of Buffalo getting a SB. Remember when Jacksonville hosted it and it was a huge disaster? They are going to stick to warm weather, major cities for the SB.

[!Papacrunk!]

A dome wouldn't increase the chances of Buffalo getting a SB. Remember when Jacksonville hosted it and it was a huge disaster? They are going to stick to warm weather, major cities for the SB.

well there went my reply. I guess I'll just have to use the "quote" function, lol

[Static]

I would love to see a cold weather super bowl......last weeks game between Green Bay and the Giants was great...i love to see football in the snow.

[Typ0]

When is the last time the Super Bowl has been held in the Northern US?

wasn't it held in Detriot two years ago?

[Typ0]

Teams like Miami have a huge advantage because of climate, they get SB games. Decent size corporations can buy boxes in Miami and then get the advantage of having a SB held there every 5 years or so and being able to sell the boxes for multi-years worth of cost. I had a friend of mine that sold his box (Hooters) for $500,000 for the Indy SB. It paid for literally 5 years worth of the cost of the box. That in itself would give Buffalo a real fighting chance if we had a enclosed viable option for SB play. The corporations would have little fear of cost if they knew they had a minimal outlay with a break even type return and a write off at the same time. It maybe one of the biggest factors for the future of the Bills franchise, enclose a new beautiful stadium and have plenty of boxes.


Mark my words withing the next 5 years, the colts in their new palace will hold a SB and have all the trimmings of the SB corporate accounts.

there isn't enough stuff here in general to support a SB...building a dome is not going to make it happen. They are going to have to build a lot of things and bring in a greater population to support those things year round.

[Aero II]

I doubt that they would be able to park a bunch of cruise ships in the Niagra River to make up for the lack hotels in WNY.

[Captain gameboy]

I would love to see a cold weather super bowl......last weeks game between Green Bay and the Giants was great...i love to see football in the snow.

The Super Bowl has become a corporate event with football as a sidebar.

WNY doesn't have near the tourism/entertainment infrastructure to support it.

The Super Bowl will gravitate to larger venues, not smaller ones.
Chicago and New York would work with retractable roofs.

Jacksonville was largely regarded as a mistake, and that town is a little better suited to holding it than WNY.

I agree with the old school view of the Super Bowl as a football game, but that line of thinking has been lost.

WNY doesn't even have enough deicing fluid to service the corporate jet fleet that attends.

Rio dejaniero has a better chance.

I hope that WNY does not capitulate and build a dome.
I like the feeling and flavor of Bills football just fine as it is.

The "fundamental flaw" is not with WNY.
It is with allowing money to corrupt everything.

[HAMMER]

This is funny. Who the hell would want to spend thousands of dollars to come to Buffalo in February.

[Mitchy moo]

This is funny. Who the hell would want to spend thousands of dollars to come to Buffalo in February.

Remember Detroit 2 years ago ?? It was a better time in the Dome / Detroit then it was in Miami in the rain, I'll assure you of that.

Some of you still think in the box, it's actually sad.

[TedMock]

I live almost 500 miles away and I have season tickets. I don't make most of the games, but when I do, I want it outside. I went to that miserable weather game vs. the Giants last month. The weather is terrible, but it felt like football. I wouldn't trade that for a cozy box seat in a million years. I sat in a box in Buffalo twice and did not like it. I've had several opportunities over the years, but have turned them down in favor of scalped endzone seats. I have also been to domes and it absolutely does not have the same feel. Sure it's nice and cozy, but it doesn't feel like the same game. I'm old fashioned in that regard, I know, but I do not want indoor football. Superbowl? I doubt we'd ever get one anyway.

[Mitchy moo]

I live almost 500 miles away and I have season tickets. I don't make most of the games, but when I do, I want it outside. I went to that miserable weather game vs. the Giants last month. The weather is terrible, but it felt like football. I wouldn't trade that for a cozy box seat in a million years. I sat in a box in Buffalo twice and did not like it. I've had several opportunities over the years, but have turned them down in favor of scalped endzone seats. I have also been to domes and it absolutely does not have the same feel. Sure it's nice and cozy, but it doesn't feel like the same game. I'm old fashioned in that regard, I know, but I do not want indoor football. Superbowl? I doubt we'd ever get one anyway.

If you want to be uncomfortable before you go to a dome game, just pee yourself and walk around for a while. Then you can be uncomfortable and let everyone know how much being uncomfortable means to you.

Detroit has had almost no level of success for many years now and has a very depressed economy, yet they held a SB. So to doubt the league would never send one to Buffalo is a bit naive. It will not happen with RW at the helm but a new ownership group might do wonders. The winter classic hockey game was held where??

[gr8slayer]

Buffalo is not going to get a new stadium, get it out of your head.

[BlackMetalNinja]

In 2007, Detroit ranked as the United States' eleventh most populous city (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population), with 918,849 residents.

Buffalo had a total population of 292,648 in 2000 and steadily declining... more so than Detroit.

[Mitchy moo]

In 2007, Detroit ranked as the United States' eleventh most populous city (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population), with 918,849 residents.

Buffalo had a total population of 292,648 in 2000 and steadily declining... more so than Detroit.

Does Detroit have Niagara Falls?? How about a full fledged casino?? Your right about the population though, more people there.

[HHURRICANE]

The stadium needs to be downtown. In addition we cannot afford to put a dome on it.

The Pats built a new stadium and didn't put a roof on it. I think we'll be fine.

[BlackMetalNinja]

Does Detroit have Niagara Falls?? How about a full fledged casino?? Your right about the population though, more people there.

3 casinos actually, and a hell of a lot more than just Niagara Falls. Just admit you're wrong already.

[Mitchy moo]

Just admit you're wrong already.

If there is a call for a new domed stadium, Buffalo would be the first place that would need one.

[BlackMetalNinja]

If there is a call for a new domed stadium, Buffalo would be the first place that would need one.

I'm not saying there isn't perhaps some justification for the Bills getting a dome... I personally wouldn't like it, but there are plenty of viable reasons for it. What I am saying however, is that even if we get one, Buffalo will not even sniff the scent of getting a Super Bowl, and that part is where you are simply wrong.

[TedMock]

If you want to be uncomfortable before you go to a dome game, just pee yourself and walk around for a while. Then you can be uncomfortable and let everyone know how much being uncomfortable means to you.

Detroit has had almost no level of success for many years now and has a very depressed economy, yet they held a SB. So to doubt the league would never send one to Buffalo is a bit naive. It will not happen with RW at the helm but a new ownership group might do wonders. The winter classic hockey game was held where??

I never said I was uncomfortable. I love the elements with football. It's not the same without them. The winter classic was great, but not even remotely close to the zoo that a superbowl would bring. A dome doesn't guarantee a superbowl and I don't think it would do any wonders for the area to have one there. For one week the hotels would be sold out and some of the bars & restaurants would do more business. Of course, I'm sure a good number of folks will be spending days on the Canadian side of the falls and at the Casino. That does nothing for Buffalo's businesses. Great for Canada, but not for Buffalo. Then the city spends a fortune to make this experience great for all and they hope to break even in the deal. After that, they're left with all this new stuff, a dwindling economy and continued exodus. I just don't think that's a fix, or even the start of a fix. I want to move back as much as anybody, but it's not economically feasible right now. Eventually, I hope it is. If the city were growing I would have a different opinion on the Superbowl, but still not on the idea of a dome. Communist football.

[Mitchy moo]

I never said I was uncomfortable. I love the elements with football. It's not the same without them. The winter classic was great, but not even remotely close to the zoo that a superbowl would bring. A dome doesn't guarantee a superbowl and I don't think it would do any wonders for the area to have one there. For one week the hotels would be sold out and some of the bars & restaurants would do more business. Of course, I'm sure a good number of folks will be spending days on the Canadian side of the falls and at the Casino. That does nothing for Buffalo's businesses. Great for Canada, but not for Buffalo. Then the city spends a fortune to make this experience great for all and they hope to break even in the deal. After that, they're left with all this new stuff, a dwindling economy and continued exodus. I just don't think that's a fix, or even the start of a fix. I want to move back as much as anybody, but it's not economically feasible right now. Eventually, I hope it is. If the city were growing I would have a different opinion on the Superbowl, but still not on the idea of a dome. Communist football.

Good post and many valid points. Shining the spotlight on Buffalo can only enhance our chances of good things happening in the area. Big money comes in, likes the place and may end up buying a thing or two here. Some may even move there businesses here or open a office, who knows. Making contact with big money only gives Buffalo a chance to grow.

[gr8slayer]

How about we get stability with ownership before we start talking about a new stadium? You think anything is going to happen in Ralph's lifetime?

We don't even know if the Bills will be in Buffalo three years from now.

[HAMMER]

I would hate a dome for Bills games but if they were going to build a new stadium it sure would make more sense. It would bring a lot more events and money to Buff than a non-dome.

[HAMMER]

Remember Detroit 2 years ago ?? It was a better time in the Dome / Detroit then it was in Miami in the rain, I'll assure you of that.

Some of you still think in the box, it's actually sad.

Think beyond the game itself, the SB is a whole week event for most people attending. You just don't get it Skooby.

[gr8slayer]

Why would the NFL want to bring a Super Bowl to Buffalo? The NFL is trying to get rid of Buffalo.

[Buffatexas]

Honestly, other than weather, why couldn't Buffalo host a Superbowl? And dont talk crap about the Bills not being in Buffalo. People talk about lack of hotels and restaurants. I don't agree with that. You have to factor in Niagara Falls and even Rochester in to the equation. Many folks stayed in St. Pete when the SB was held in Tampa and that, for those of you who have been there, could realistically be an hour away from Tampa. And as far as the aesthetics go, St. Pete is miles ahead of Tampa as far as being a tourist friendly environment.

If marketed properly, the SB really could be viable if we had a domed/retractable roof stadium. You could market the skiing and other winter activities as well.

[gr8slayer]

Honestly, other than weather, why couldn't Buffalo host a Superbowl? And dont talk crap about the Bills not being in Buffalo. People talk about lack of hotels and restaurants. I don't agree with that. You have to factor in Niagara Falls and even Rochester in to the equation. Many folks stayed in St. Pete when the SB was held in Tampa and that, for those of you who have been there, could realistically be an hour away from Tampa. And as far as the aesthetics go, St. Pete is miles ahead of Tampa as far as being a tourist friendly environment.

If marketed properly, the SB really could be viable if we had a domed/retractable roof stadium. You could market the skiing and other winter activities as well.
You are living in a fantasy world my friend.

[Buffatexas]

You are living in a fantasy world my friend.

Why's that? This whole thread is based of "if's"

My "if" is that the Bills stay and get a SB caliber stadium. and for the reasons I posted above, could be viable to host an SB.

[gr8slayer]

Why's that? This whole thread is based of "if's"

My "if" is that the Bills stay and get a SB caliber stadium. and for the reasons I posted above, could be viable to host an SB.
The biggest "if" is the Bills being in Buffalo a few years from now. Let's worry about that first.

Having been to Buffalo now I can honestly say that it was a cool city, but when compared to other NFL cities it offers nothing even remotely close.

You know what would make all these "ifs" a reality? Wilson putting a winning product on the field, until he does our future in Buffalo is fading quick.

[Buffatexas]

The biggest "if" is the Bills being in Buffalo a few years from now. Let's worry about that first.

Having been to Buffalo now I can honestly say that it was a cool city, but when compared to other NFL cities it offers nothing even remotely close.

You know what would make all these "ifs" a reality? Wilson putting a winning product on the field, until he does our future in Buffalo is fading quick.


well, lets just say that they are staying, we can worry about that in another thread (which I am sure has already been done)

Buffalo is a really cool city and I think most will agree when I tell you that the people here are definately a different breed. I left here and lived in the Tampa Bay area for 14 years, and no offense to anyone who may live there but the people were for the most part a bunch of a**holes.

As far as offerings are concerned, I think Buffalo can hold its own against the Tampa's and Jacksonvilles of the league.

[Typ0]

The biggest "if" is the Bills being in Buffalo a few years from now. Let's worry about that first.

Having been to Buffalo now I can honestly say that it was a cool city, but when compared to other NFL cities it offers nothing even remotely close.

You know what would make all these "ifs" a reality? Wilson putting a winning product on the field, until he does our future in Buffalo is fading quick.


he doesn't look at it that way. The organization is run like a late life-cycle product.

[realdealryan]

buffalo can't support a superbowl, dome or not

you're nuts

Neither could Jacksonville, but they got one.

And neither can Indianapolis. Apparently we don't have enough indoor practice facilities, so they will have to build another for a Super Bowl bid and then give it to the public school system (which is in shambles, but go ahead and buy a practice facility).

About a dome- I am all for the outdoor experience, I too went to the Giants game, and I enjoy getting out in the elements and watching football. But I don't mind if the next Colts game is under a roof because of the other events that we attract, keeping this city even more economically viable. No more football in the RCA dome, but they still have this on the schedule:

<table width="100%"><tbody><tr bgcolor="#f1fadb"><td>Sat Jan 26 2008 </td><td> USHRA Monster Jam (http://www.iccrd.com/dome/R0801019.asp) </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td>Tue Jan 29 2008 </td><td>Eli Lilly and Company / Diabetes </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f1fadb"> <td>Sat Feb 16 - Feb 18 2008 </td><td>Dealernews Int'l Powersports Dealer Expo 2008 </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td>Sat Mar 1 2008 </td><td> Supercross (http://www.iccrd.com/dome/R0802013.asp) </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f1fadb"> <td>Fri Mar 28 - Mar 30 2008 </td><td>Indianapolis RV Super Show </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td>Fri Apr 4 - Apr 14 2008 </td><td>Fire Department Instructors Conf. (FDIC)</td></tr></tbody></table>
This is all nice, but I still can't picture anything but an open stadium in Buffalo.

[gr8slayer]

Neither could Jacksonville, but they got one.

And neither can Indianapolis. Apparently we don't have enough indoor practice facilities, so they will have to build another for a Super Bowl bid and then give it to the public school system (which is in shambles, but go ahead and buy a practice facility).

About a dome- I am all for the outdoor experience, I too went to the Giants game, and I enjoy getting out in the elements and watching football. But I don't mind if the next Colts game is under a roof because of the other events that we attract, keeping this city even more economically viable. No more football in the RCA dome, but they still have this on the schedule:

<table width="100%"><tbody><tr bgcolor="#f1fadb"><td>Sat Jan 26 2008 </td><td> USHRA Monster Jam (http://www.iccrd.com/dome/R0801019.asp) </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td>Tue Jan 29 2008 </td><td>Eli Lilly and Company / Diabetes </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f1fadb"> <td>Sat Feb 16 - Feb 18 2008 </td><td>Dealernews Int'l Powersports Dealer Expo 2008 </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td>Sat Mar 1 2008 </td><td> Supercross (http://www.iccrd.com/dome/R0802013.asp) </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#f1fadb"> <td>Fri Mar 28 - Mar 30 2008 </td><td>Indianapolis RV Super Show </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td>Fri Apr 4 - Apr 14 2008 </td><td>Fire Department Instructors Conf. (FDIC)</td></tr></tbody></table>
This is all nice, but I still can't picture anything but an open stadium in Buffalo.
Jacksonville has the beach, it has the weather, it has everything else that Florida offers. Buffalo has..............

[Buffatexas]

Jacksonville has the beach, it has the weather, it has everything else that Florida offers. Buffalo has..............

SB is in February, beach would be irrevolant. What else does florida have to offer? Please, I have lived there 14 years and personally, I would take WNY over it anyday of the week.

[realdealryan]

Jacksonville has the beach, it has the weather, it has everything else that Florida offers. Buffalo has..............
Those aren't the criteria for hosting a Super Bowl, sorry to say, or it would be in Destin, FL every year.

They look for infrastructure in addition to a warm & dry physical location to play the game. Every single pre-game show complained about how Jacksonville couldn't handle the influx of people.

Just remembered-
They won't even let us have one yet, and we host the single largest sporting event in the world...

[gr8slayer]

Here is a fact, there is not going to be a Super Bowl in Buffalo.......... EVER.

There is a hell of a chance that there won't be Bills in Buffalo soon, and even if we do stick around there still won't be a Super Bowl in Buffalo, the rest of America + the NFL do not even know that the Bills exist, much less the city of Buffalo. Get it out of your heads and quit day dreaming.