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  • Does anyone love shoenart now?

    I love what hes doing already. Using west coast scheme, bringing in a FB, ray brown, and saying that audibles will be used if needed. He seems like hes making changes fast and trying to build us up in what we need. We should put him as OC/ GM. Sorry I may be getting to excited but still, this is turning out to be a pretty good move.
  • Tatonka
    Registered User
    • Jul 2002
    • 21289

    #2
    Re: Does anyone love shoenart now?

    i think everyone assumed that because he was the qb coach under the last douche we had here, that that is the offense he would run.. but he has worked under many offenses and has seen alot, so he will make the changes he sees fit to.
    "All hockey players are bilingual. They know English and profanity." ~ Gordie Howe

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    • TigerJ
      Registered User
      • Jul 2002
      • 22575

      #3
      Re: Does anyone love shoenart now?

      He saw what everyone else saw, and made up his mind to start changing what he saw as weaknesses in Fairchild's approach. He also saw the fan reaction to what Fairchild was doing and to the fact that he's replacing Fairchild. It doesn't take a real smart person to figure out that fans hated the last guy, and suspicious of your ability to do a better job, and the first thing you can do to get on the fans' good side is to start describing the things you are going to do differently.
      I've made up my mind. Don't confuse me with the facts.

      I'm the most reasonable poster here. If you don't agree, I'll be forced to have a hissy fit.

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      • RedEyE
        Registered User
        • Jul 2002
        • 24661

        #4
        Re: Does anyone love shoenart now?

        Its definitly refreshing seeing someone that understands what didn't work and also knowing the potential and the abiliity of each player having been on the roster for some time.

        What I find incredibly exciting is having Edwards run a West Coast style offense.

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        • LifetimeBillsFan
          All-Pro Zoner
          • Aug 2004
          • 4946

          #5
          Re: Does anyone love shoenart now?

          I really like what Schonert is saying so far, but he didn't say that he was putting in a West Coast offense. So, let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

          What he said is that, while Holmgren in Seattle is the only one who runs a true WCO in the Bill Walsh mold, every team has taken some plays from the WCO and adapted them to their systems and that he would be doing that also with the Bills. He also said that, while he prefers to have a 2-back set with a FB, he isn't planning on changing the Bills' basic running game that much.

          It will be interesting to see what changes he puts into the passing game and how he plans to diversify the offense. For him to be successful doing that, though, the Bills have to add more weapons to the offense and IMHO they have already discussed and made some plans for how they are going to do that. I have to believe that they will almost certainly be adding a TE and/or big WR who can get deep (if Schonert intends to use some WCO concepts in the passing game, they would almost certainly have to do this because the TE plays a prominent role in the WCO passing game, which also works well with having at least one big, rangy, fast WR on the field).
          Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. And, thus it was that they surrendered their freedom; not with a bang, but without even a whimper.

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          • Romes
            Registered User
            • Jul 2002
            • 5764

            #6
            Re: Does anyone love shoenart now?

            To support what LBF said, directly from Chris Browns Blog:

            "The west coast to me is just terminology because everybody runs the same (expletive)" - Turk Schonert
            Last edited by Romes; 01-18-2008, 03:13 AM.
            Originally posted by paladin warrior
            RALPH is drove me nut.

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            • Oaf
              Do you read what you write?
              • Jun 2007
              • 6151

              #7
              Re: Does anyone love shoenart now?

              How can anyone love him when hasn't done anything yet? I mean, who wouldn't sell out the worst offensive coordinator in the league?

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              • LifetimeBillsFan
                All-Pro Zoner
                • Aug 2004
                • 4946

                #8
                Re: Does anyone love shoenart now?

                Originally posted by Oaf
                How can anyone love him when hasn't done anything yet? I mean, who wouldn't sell out the worst offensive coordinator in the league?
                I didn't say that I love him, just that I like what he has said so far. Obviously it is now up to him to do those things and make the offense more productive.

                We'll see if he can do that--but we're going to have to wait until the end of the 2008 season to see what the results are.
                Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. And, thus it was that they surrendered their freedom; not with a bang, but without even a whimper.

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                • jamze132
                  Registered User
                  • Jun 2003
                  • 29290

                  #9
                  Re: Does anyone love shoenart now?

                  I'm just very glad that he came out and said that certain players weren't invloved enough and that he wants the ball in their hands.

                  IMO, Evans, Lynch and Parrish need to have the ball in their hands 90% of the time from different formations.

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                  • YardRat
                    Well, lookie here...
                    • Dec 2004
                    • 86146

                    #10
                    Re: Does anyone love shoenart now?

                    Hopefully he can impress on the brain trust how badly we need a legit #2 WR and they address it quickly in FA.
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                    • Mitchy moo
                      Roways rooking ahread!
                      • Sep 2005
                      • 18380

                      #11
                      Re: Does anyone love shoenart now?

                      Will the Bills have an advantage on offense because of the new style??

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                      • #12
                        Re: Does anyone love shoenart now?

                        Originally posted by 83evans
                        I love what hes doing already. Using west coast scheme, bringing in a FB, ray brown, and saying that audibles will be used if needed. He seems like hes making changes fast and trying to build us up in what we need. We should put him as OC/ GM. Sorry I may be getting to excited but still, this is turning out to be a pretty good move.
                        Well, he did such a fantastic job with his QBs over the years, how can anyone doubt him.



                        They can say all that they want to. Most people have learned as much re: this organization by now.

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                        • Jan Reimers
                          Thank You, Terry and Kim, for Saving the Bills. Now, Work on the Sabres.
                          • May 2003
                          • 17353

                          #13
                          Re: Does anyone love shoenart now?

                          You can pour perfume on a pig, and you can polish a turd, but you can't make a great QB out of Rob Johnson, Aaron Brooks, Chris Weinke or JP Losman.

                          How do we know that Turk didn't get the very best out of these guys?
                          Should have known, way back in 1960 when we drafted Richie Lucas Number 1, that this would be a long, hard ride. But who could have known it would be THIS bad?

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                          • gr8slayer
                            Registered User
                            • Feb 2005
                            • 20796

                            #14
                            Re: Does anyone love shoenart now?

                            Originally posted by Wys Guy
                            Well, he did such a fantastic job with his QBs over the years, how can anyone doubt him.



                            They can say all that they want to. Most people have learned as much re: this organization by now.
                            Don't confuse the homers with facts, everyone who is hired by God (Ralph Wilson Jr.) is himself a God amongst mortals when it comes to coaching.

                            Hey, he might not be serious and he might not care about winning, but at least Buffalo still has a team.

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                            • mysticsoto
                              Too sober for this...
                              • Apr 2004
                              • 31439

                              #15
                              Re: Does anyone love shoenart now?

                              Interesting, I said this awhile back...that a west coast offense would probably suit Edward's strengths. But this means that JP is probably not worth even keeping on the roster. JP is terrible at the short, touch passes. I guess I won't be expecting to see JP here anymore.

                              I'm not a huge fan of the WCO, but it might not be a bad idea...

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