Bills Sign Teyo Johnson

[buffalony85]

College
Teyo was recruited to Stanford University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_University) as one of the most highly touted two-sport athletes in the country. He aspired to play quarterback, but as he was buried on the depth chart, the coaches switched him to wide receiver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_receiver) to get his talent on the field [1] (http://old.irishsports.com/stories/subscription/2001/11/18/isr_football.20011118-isr-ONLN-X0-Stanford_s_Johnson_has_all_the_answers.sto). He racked up 79 catches, 1032 yards and 15 TDs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchdown) in 22 games. After his sophomore (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sophomore) season he decided to leave school early and enter the NFL draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_draft).
He also played forward for two years on the Stanford basketball (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basketball) team, alongside future NBA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA) players like Josh Childress (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Childress), Casey Jacobsen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casey_Jacobsen), Jason Collins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Collins) and Jarron Collins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarron_Collins).

NFL
Teyo was drafted with the 63rd pick in the 2003 NFL draft by the Oakland Raiders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_Raiders). In his rookie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rookie) year he once again changed positions, this time to tight end (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tight_end). He played in all 16 games and made 14 catches for 128 yards and 1 TD.
His second season saw him play in only 8 games. He believed that his role was reduced because he missed some voluntary offseason workouts to go to China on an NFL tour, although head coach Norv Turner denied this was the case [2] (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=nfl&id=1892508). Johnson made 9 catches, 131 yards, and 2 TDs.
The start of his third season came with disappointment as he was released by the Raiders at the end of the preseason (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preseason). He was however quickly signed by the Arizona Cardinals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_Cardinals). He only played 6 games for the Cardinals before was once again released. He only made 3 catches for 29 yards in those games.Teyo Johnson was recently on the Broncos football team with friend and high school and college teammate Amon Gordon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amon_Gordon) but the Broncos have released him in August 2007.
He is the brother of former Cincinnati Bengals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati_Bengals) and current CFL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Football_League) player Riall Johnson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riall_Johnson), who also attended Stanford.

[gr8slayer]

That is great ****ing news. He is an athlete.

[buffalony85]

He is an athlete.something royal and gaines are not!

[mysticsoto]

He was a great prospect when he got of college, but he hasn't delivered at all. I'm not sure this is any great signing. He looks to have the physical part of the game down, so I'm not sure what has been holding him back. If they could find a way to motivate him into the game it'd be great, but at this point, I'd be skeptical that he'll even make the depth chart...

[Jaybird]

agreed, not sure he'll even make the team, same deal with barnes. However, u must like both the moves. Its not costing much, and were being aggressive.

[gr8slayer]

He will likely be camp fodder but just the fact that we're actually looking for an athlete at the position is enough to excite me.

[bigbub2352]

This could be a sneaky signing, he was young when we came out of school, and never played TE, so he is just coming into his prime at a postion on need, i will take him as a number 3 TE, this mite spell the end for Michael Gaines, but i like him as well, or we could be cutting Royal and sign Gaines but in any event, this is solid depth and i really like the move
at 6ft 6 he can only help in our awful red zone

[madness]

He was a great prospect when he got of college, but he hasn't delivered at all. I'm not sure this is any great signing. He looks to have the physical part of the game down, so I'm not sure what has been holding him back. If they could find a way to motivate him into the game it'd be great, but at this point, I'd be skeptical that he'll even make the depth chart...

Part of that is that he always seemed to get picked up with teams that tried to utilize the kid as more of a blocking TE. He's a converted WR and as it states in CB's blog, nobody ever split him out wide. Most likely nothing more then a role player but the potential is there if we use him right.

Using Johnson differently

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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>USING JOHNSON DIFFERENTLY: In talking to Teyo Johnson today, I asked him how many times did his former NFL teams use him split wide as a receiving threat. His response?
"Never."
Now there may be a reason for that I don't know, but I do know the guy was a productive receiver at Stanford before converting to tight end. I'd like to think the guy could do a few things in the pass game. Not saying he's the end all, be all as far as a pass catching tight end is concerned for the Bills, but trying him there would seem to be a good idea since no other NFL team has seemingly given it much thought.
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Could Johnson be like the others?

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</TD><TD align=right>Posted By: Chris Brown | Time: 1:30 PM ET | Link (http://buffalobills.com/blog/index.jsp?post_id=2883)

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>COULD JOHNSON BE LIKE THE OTHERS?: The Bills are hoping Teyo Johnson can be another free agent signee that joins the team without the pomp and circumstance of bigger names, but contributes nonetheless. Previous examples include Daimon Shelton, Peerless Price and Mike Gandy. All three filled roles though not heavily coveted by many teams. Another example was Jason Webster, but his season ended after the opener with his broken arm.
In all likelihood the Bills will still look to address the tight end position further. There are now three on the roster under contract in Royal, Schouman and Johnson.
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[The King]

Wow a tall TE who has jets.

[gr8slayer]

Wow a tall TE who has jets.
And can jump! No one will believe this now but I've wanted this guy since he was with the Raiders.

[THATHURMANATOR]

I am sure he is an upgrade over Shouman.

[gr8slayer]

I am sure he is an upgrade over Shouman.
How do we know? The guy never played, Shouman man be an upgrade over Royal and Gaines too.

[Forward_Lateral]

He's always been mis-used or under-used. I'd line him up at WR in camp and see what he can do.

[madness]

Here's his bio out of college in case anybody is interested. Stats from HS show this guy was an athletic freak...


Played quarterback, wide receiver and defensive end in HS ... As a senior, he threw for 1,068 yards and 11 TDs while also rushing 48 times for 411 yards and four touchdowns ... He also caught 24 passes for 368 yards and three TDs, and as a defensive end, registered 60 tackles, 14 sacks, eight deflections, four forced fumbles and two interceptions (one returned for a touchdown)

http://gostanford.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/johnson_teyo00.html

<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=TTitle align=left colSpan=2>TEYO JOHNSON </TD></TR><TR><TD class=TMData1 vAlign=top width="100%" background=http://i.cnn.net/si/images/football/nfl/logos/watermarks/raiders.gif>http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2003/draft/players/images/teyo_johnson.jpg Position: WR (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2003/draft/breakdowns/by_position/wr.html)
Class: Underclassman
School: Stanford (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2003/draft/breakdowns/by_school/stanford.html)
Conference: Pac-10 (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2003/draft/breakdowns/by_conference/pac10.html)
Ht., Wt.: 6'5&#189;, 247
40 Time: 4.73
Grade: 3.65

Selected by Oakland Raiders (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2003/draft/teams/raiders.html)
Round 2 (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2003/draft/breakdowns/by_round/2.html), pick 31 (63 overall)
</TD></TR><TR><TD width="100%" bgColor=#e7e7e7>BIO: Sophomore entry and starter the past two seasons. Led the team in receiving last year with 41 receptions, 467 yards and eight TDs. Totaled 38-565-7 the prior year and named conference's Co-Freshman of the Year. Two-year letter winner for Stanford's basketball team, one of the nation's top programs.

POSITIVES: King sized pass catcher who may ultimately grow into a tight end. Fluid releasing off the line of scrimmage, shields away opponents with his frame and extends, displaying good eye-hand coordination as well as focus. Plays with balance, adjusts well and out muscles defenders for the difficult reception. Offers the QB a big target. Goes over the middle to make the reception and takes a pounding, yet holds onto the football.

NEGATIVES: Not quick or explosive and has more built up speed than suddenness in his game. Works his routes but lacks quickness into his breaks. Lacks timing and has trouble running full tilt and making the reception. Lazily lets the pass get inside him rather than snatching it away from his frame.

ANALYSIS: A physical specimen but far from being a complete football player and made a mistake leaving college early. Needs to improve all aspects of his game as he may not have a defined pro position.

PROJECTION: Mid Third Round
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2003/draft/players/9713.html

[mysticsoto]

This could be a sneaky signing, he was young when we came out of school, and never played TE, so he is just coming into his prime at a postion on need, i will take him as a number 3 TE, this mite spell the end for Michael Gaines, but i like him as well, or we could be cutting Royal and sign Gaines but in any event, this is solid depth and i really like the move
at 6ft 6 he can only help in our awful red zone
We don't have to cut Royal. He's a free agent come February along with Gaines, Schouman, Neufeld and Murphy.

I hope we bring back Gaines and Schouman. Teyo looks like his strength is to catch and not block. So I suppose that if he can play STs, he might be a good addition and can be used strictly in the red zone...

[madness]

We don't have to cut Royal. He's a free agent come February along with Gaines, Schouman, Neufeld and Murphy.

I hope we bring back Gaines and Schouman. Teyo looks like his strength is to catch and not block. So I suppose that if he can play STs, he might be a good addition and can be used strictly in the red zone...

According to article on the Johnson signing at BB.com, Royal is still under contract.


Buffalo has just two other tight ends under contract on the roster in Robert Royalhttp://buffalobills.com/images/relatedicon.gif (http://buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=5848#) and Derek Schoumanhttp://buffalobills.com/images/relatedicon.gif (http://buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=5848#). Michael Gaineshttp://buffalobills.com/images/relatedicon.gif (http://buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=5848#), Matt Murphyhttp://buffalobills.com/images/relatedicon.gif (http://buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=5848#) and Ryan Neufeldhttp://buffalobills.com/images/relatedicon.gif (http://buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=5848#) are all set to become unrestricted free agents at the end of February.

http://buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=5848

[raphael120]

Well get this guy and release that bum Neufeld.

[gr8slayer]

He wore the same number and went to the same college as Trent Edwards, I'm starting to see why we drafted him.

[gr8slayer]

According to article on the Johnson signing at BB.com, Royal is still under contract.



http://buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=5848
I think he means next year.

[blackonyx89]

Here's some footage of Teyo in action......


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQbD6qW2344

[Michael82]

Hmmm, good pickup. Let's hope he can knock Royal off the team. That would be even better. :up:

[gr8slayer]

Bills signed TE Teyo Johnson.
Johnson has been kicked around the league since getting drafted in the second round by the Raiders in 2003, and hasn't played since 2005. He is a capable pass-catching tight end, but has failed in promising situations in the past. He'll compete for a roster spot, but look for the Bills to further address the position.

[mysticsoto]

Hmmm, good pickup. Let's hope he can knock Royal off the team. That would be even better. :up:

It's hard b'cse in one way, I hope he makes it since he's probably a better receiving threat than what we have. But on another...if he can't block for *****, then we can only use him in passing downs.

Like I said, if he can play STs, he could earn a spot b'cse then we could use him in the red zone...

Athletes usually excel in STs, so let's hope he has the motivation to get something done. If he gets hurt in TC or preseason though cut him!!!

[Wally The Barber]

Burger King is happy and Tim Hortons stock is up 8%

[gr8slayer]

It's hard b'cse in one way, I hope he makes it since he's probably a better receiving threat than what we have. But on another...if he can't block for *****, then we can only use him in passing downs.

Like I said, if he can play STs, he could earn a spot b'cse then we could use him in the red zone...

Athletes usually excel in STs, so let's hope he has the motivation to get something done. If he gets hurt in TC or preseason though cut him!!!
Not really, use him on the goal line or in two TE sets. Let the D bring eight in the box and have him go over the top. Eventually he may gain enough attention that teams won't bring seven or eight in the box when we run the set next time.

[gr8slayer]

Burger King is happy and Tim Hortons stock is up 8%
??

[Night Train]

A no risk signing who went to the same college as his QB and OC. We'll sign 20 more just like him. Let's keep it in perspective.

[gr8slayer]

A no risk signing who went to the same college as his QB and OC. We'll sign 20 more just like him. Let's keep it in perspective.
Good point.

[Jan Reimers]

He's a big kid, and still young. And along with Turk and Hackett, he'll add to TE's comfort zone. We're kind of becoming Stanford East.

[gr8slayer]

He's a big kid, and still young. And along with Turk and Hackett, he'll add to TE's comfort zone. We're kind of becoming Stanford East.
Because we're a "classy organization" and they are a "classy school."

[mysticsoto]

A no risk signing who went to the same college as his QB and OC. We'll sign 20 more just like him. Let's keep it in perspective.

Absolutely. I'm not complaining at all. Especially with all the TEs we have that are becoming FAs this year and could sign elsewhere. I'm just saying he won't likely be our savior at the spot, but by the looks of it, nobody is jumping to conclusions (is that a first?) so people are understanding that he'll be just one of many that sign between now and TC and competes for a starting job. I have no problem with him being one of them. I certainly hope we sign a few others...

[bigbub2352]

We don't have to cut Royal. He's a free agent come February along with Gaines, Schouman, Neufeld and Murphy.

I hope we bring back Gaines and Schouman. Teyo looks like his strength is to catch and not block. So I suppose that if he can play STs, he might be a good addition and can be used strictly in the red zone...

Royal has 2 more years on his contract, unfortunatly, we dont need anymore blocking TE's we need ones to catch that is why i like this for 2 reasons Redzone, and Redzone, i like schouman too and Gaines that is why i hopin Schouman stays on in the FB role and Gaines is brought back and Royal is cut he sucks

[gr8slayer]

Absolutely. I'm not complaining at all. Especially with all the TEs we have that are becoming FAs this year and could sign elsewhere. I'm just saying he won't likely be our savior at the spot, but by the looks of it, nobody is jumping to conclusions (is that a first?) so people are understanding that he'll be just one of many that sign between now and TC and competes for a starting job. I have no problem with him being one of them. I certainly hope we sign a few others...
I'll fix that:

Teyo Johnson's mother engaged in sexual intercourse with the fathers of; Antonio Gates, Tony Gonzalez, Dallas Clark, Chris Cooley, and Jason Witten before she gave birth to Teyo. Thus Teyo Johnson is a fine combination of the five and will go on to be the greatest TE to ever exist........

[mysticsoto]

Royal has 2 more years on his contract, unfortunatly, we dont need anymore blocking TE's we need ones to catch that is why i like this for 2 reasons Redzone, and Redzone, i like schouman too and Gaines that is why i hopin Schouman stays on in the FB role and Gaines is brought back and Royal is cut he sucks

Ideally, we'd like one that could catch AND block, but sadly it seems like we get one or the other.

However, given that our Oline is more geared now for pass blocking, it probably would benefit us to get TEs that catch catch and let them attempt to create a passing attack to relieve the pressure Lynch has on him (though he needs to be thrown more to also).

It's a positive to grab him. It'd be nice if they could get LJ from Philly also...

[Buffatexas]

I'll fix that:

Teyo Johnson's mother engaged in sexual intercourse with the fathers of; Antonio Gates, Tony Gonzalez, Dallas Clark, Chris Cooley, and Jason Witten before she gave birth to Teyo. Thus Teyo Johnson is a fine combination of the five and will go on to be the greatest TE to ever exist........

Link???



j/k

[gr8slayer]

Link???



j/k
You think I'm joking? I'm dead serious.....

[Philagape]

agreed, not sure he'll even make the team, same deal with barnes. However, u must like both the moves. Its not costing much, and were being aggressive.

No, I don't must like the moves. We're being aggressive with guys who weren't on any rosters. That's like a panhandler being aggressive in a dumpster.


And get a load of Chris Brown: "The Bills are hoping Teyo Johnson can be another free agent signee that joins the team without the pomp and circumstance of bigger names, but contributes nonetheless. Previous examples include Daimon Shelton, Peerless Price and Mike Gandy."

Gee, there's a legacy to live up to :ill:

My greatest fear is this IS the Bills' idea of being aggressive, and this is what they'll get instead of guys who are, oh, on a team right now.

[TacklingDummy]

Where has this gem been hiding?

[mysticsoto]

You think I'm joking? I'm dead serious.....

You forgot to mention that your rich friend told you so...

[Confused]

yeah. another loser even the raiders didny want. when will this **** end?

[Romes]

what is really worrisome is the last 3 years he has been cut by the raiders, cardinals and dolphins...not exactly 3 teams that are full of talent on their rosters.

the bright side is he is tall and has hops something the bills sorely lack.

[gr8slayer]

You forgot to mention that your rich friend told you so...
Son of a *****, how could I forget the most important information......

[Ed]

No, I don't must like the moves. We're being aggressive with guys who weren't on any rosters. That's like a panhandler being aggressive in a dumpster.


And get a load of Chris Brown: "The Bills are hoping Teyo Johnson can be another free agent signee that joins the team without the pomp and circumstance of bigger names, but contributes nonetheless. Previous examples include Daimon Shelton, Peerless Price and Mike Gandy."

Gee, there's a legacy to live up to :ill:

My greatest fear is this IS the Bills' idea of being aggressive, and this is what they'll get instead of guys who are, oh, on a team right now.
Well considering free agency hasn't even started yet, these are the only kind of players the Bills can sign right now. There's nothing wrong with trying to find some young raw talent with potential. This isn't going to change our plans for free agency, so there really isn't any reason to not like this one particular move.

We're talking about a big target that clearly has some athletic ability, but hasn't really had the opportunity to grow into a position or role.

Maybe he's a gem, or maybe he just doesn't have it at this level. Either way there's really no risk.

As far as I'm concerned, he sounds like a project so I wouldn't expect too much next year, but I do like his potential.

[mysticsoto]

Well considering free agency hasn't even started yet, these are the only kind of players the Bills can sign right now. There's nothing wrong with trying to find some young raw talent with potential. This isn't going to change our plans for free agency, so there really isn't any reason to not like this one particular move.

We're talking about a big target that clearly has some athletic ability, but hasn't really had the opportunity to grow into a position or role.

Maybe he's a gem, or maybe he just doesn't have it at this level. Either way there's really no risk.

As far as I'm concerned, he sounds like a project so I wouldn't expect too much next year, but I do like his potential.

They should add Jermaine Wiggins also...

[helmetguy]

Three pages of discussion over this signing?

I always hated January....

[Philagape]

so there really isn't any reason to not like this one particular move.

There's a difference between not liking and disliking. I was responding to someone who said we must like this. I neither like nor dislike it.


We're talking about a big target that clearly has some athletic ability, but hasn't really had the opportunity to grow into a position or role.

He's been on several teams ... each team was an opportunity.
Whenever the Bills sign someone who's been cut several times, why do some fans talk as if he's brand new or something, with no record of failure? Why is it always "he hasn't been used right"? What makes us the first team that would know how to use anyone?

[Jan Reimers]

Well considering free agency hasn't even started yet, these are the only kind of players the Bills can sign right now. There's nothing wrong with trying to find some young raw talent with potential. This isn't going to change our plans for free agency, so there really isn't any reason to not like this one particular move.

We're talking about a big target that clearly has some athletic ability, but hasn't really had the opportunity to grow into a position or role.

Maybe he's a gem, or maybe he just doesn't have it at this level. Either way there's really no risk.

As far as I'm concerned, he sounds like a project so I wouldn't expect too much next year, but I do like his potential.
Exactly right. We're signing street free agents at this point, and we really have nothing to lose. And we may gain a serviceable player.

[YardRat]

I wonder if this means they have no interest in re-signing Gaines.

[Ed]

There's a difference between not liking and disliking. I was responding to someone who said we must like this. I neither like nor dislike it.



He's been on several teams ... each team was an opportunity.
Whenever the Bills sign someone who's been cut several times, why do some fans talk as if he's brand new or something, with no record of failure? Why is it always "he hasn't been used right"? What makes us the first team that would know how to use anyone?
I never said he hasn't had any failures, it just doesn't seem like he's had much chance to show what he can do. He obviously left school too early if he was only a sophmore when he declared for the draft. The Raiders gave him two years before being cut. He joined the Cardinals during the season, which is never easy and was cut before even having a chance to work in their off-season program. It doesn't even sound like he played any games with the Broncos.

I don't know what his deal is. Like I said before, he looks like a project to me so I don't have any expectations. I certainly haven't tried to hype him up as anything special. He's just a young and intriguing prospect. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Jan Reimers]

I never said he hasn't had any failures, it just doesn't seem like he's had much chance to show what he can do. He obviously left school too early if he was only a sophmore when he declared for the draft. The Raiders gave him two years before being cut. He joined the Cardinals during the season, which is never easy and was cut before even having a chance to work in their off-season program. It doesn't even sound like he played any games with the Broncos.

I don't know what his deal is. Like I said before, he looks like a project to me so I don't have any expectations. I certainly haven't tried to hype him up as anything special. He's just a young and intriguing prospect. Nothing more, nothing less.
Get used to it, Ed. The most innocuous statements - often twisted, exaggerated, or taken out of context - can be perceived as too optimistic around here, and you'll get pummeled for making them.

[patmoran2006]

We don't have to cut Royal. He's a free agent come February along with Gaines, Schouman, Neufeld and Murphy.

I hope we bring back Gaines and Schouman. Teyo looks like his strength is to catch and not block. So I suppose that if he can play STs, he might be a good addition and can be used strictly in the red zone...I think Royal signed a 5 year, 10 million dollar contract in 2006.


Regardless; this is probably a meaningless signing; the real ones don't start until March 1st.

However, no way I ***** about this move.. It doesn't hurt. Get your "tryout" players before March 1, and in June. At least if nothing else we recognize we need some better athletes.

[Jan Reimers]

I think Royal signed a 5 year, 10 million dollar contract in 2006.


Regardless; this is probably a meaningless signing; the real ones don't start until March 1st.

However, no way I ***** about this move.. It doesn't hurt. Get your "tryout" players before March 1, and in June. At least if nothing else we recognize we need some better athletes.
Maybe we get a guy who is as good as, but younger and cheaper than, one of our existing backups. We save some money and get a player with a little more upside.

[Oaf]

Nice to see us making an solid attempt to improve at a bad position. Hope that doesn't eliminate any possibility of us drafting one high though.

[patmoran2006]

I think they're trying to reach for something at TE; because I don't think there is a quality TE in FA who is affordable, and there doesn't seem like a ton of first day talent at the position either via the draft?

[codabills]

maybe we can use he as DE

[casdhf]

He's a bum. When was the last time this guy was on a team for the entire season? We're not playing madden here, fellas.

His last game was week for of 2005 ....

[mayotm]

yeah. another loser even the raiders didny want. when will this **** end?Langston Walker worked out pretty well. This signing can't hurt. If it works out, great. If not, it cost nothing.

[mysticsoto]

Three pages of discussion over this signing?

I always hated January....

Got something better to talk about? News on Bills will be scarce to find until next season starts...or atleast until the draft.

[elltrain22]

Nice signing. He could really blossom w/ this team. I am already going to predict he will be our starting Tight End this year.

[HHURRICANE]

Thank goodness, another loser that will have zero impact on this team.

[OpIv37]

what good could possibly come of this? The guy hasn't played a game in 2 years and was nothing special when he did play. He can't even establish himself at a position.

The only thing this is going to do is take reps from Schouman, who showed some promise before getting injured. I don't know why this team insists on signing bargain basement never was FA's, particularly at the TE position.

[mysticsoto]

what good could possibly come of this? The guy hasn't played a game in 2 years and was nothing special when he did play. He can't even establish himself at a position.

The only thing this is going to do is take reps from Schouman, who showed some promise before getting injured. I don't know why this team insists on signing bargain basement never was FA's, particularly at the TE position.

Doesn't hurt to sign someone with his athletic ability and hope that he's got a drive to try and improve himself. And if he doesn't? No love lost. We cut him. In the meantime, he does workout alot and can up the ante with the other TEs and let them know the FO is not satisfied with them right now!

Where's the harm?

[Meathead]

is it too early to make a kevin everett joke

[Dr. Lecter]

what good could possibly come of this? The guy hasn't played a game in 2 years and was nothing special when he did play. He can't even establish himself at a position.

The only thing this is going to do is take reps from Schouman, who showed some promise before getting injured. I don't know why this team insists on signing bargain basement never was FA's, particularly at the TE position.

It is a likely meaningless offseason signing. Every team makes them in the hope they find a diamond in the rough.

You *****ed about guys like this last year and most were cut before TC started. They can't go out and sign real FA's yet.

Since they only have 3 TE's under contract right now, getting one more will not hurt.

[OpIv37]

It is a likely meaningless offseason signing. Every team makes them in the hope they find a diamond in the rough.

You *****ed about guys like this last year and most were cut before TC started. They can't go out and sign real FA's yet.

Since they only have 3 TE's under contract right now, getting one more will not hurt.

every team hopes to find a diamond in the rough. We RELY on it and it never seems to work out. Just for once, I'd like to be looking for diamonds with the other diamonds instead of in the rough.

Like you said- they get cut before TC, so what's the point? Seems like a huge waste of time and resources for a 1 in a million shot.

[OpIv37]

Doesn't hurt to sign someone with his athletic ability and hope that he's got a drive to try and improve himself. And if he doesn't? No love lost. We cut him. In the meantime, he does workout alot and can up the ante with the other TEs and let them know the FO is not satisfied with them right now!

Where's the harm?

I say they should just spend the time working with Schouman. I'm not happy with Royal or Gaines but I don't see how Teyo Johnson is going to be better (possibly cheaper but not better).

[Dr. Lecter]

every team hopes to find a diamond in the rough. We RELY on it and it never seems to work out. Just for once, I'd like to be looking for diamonds with the other diamonds instead of in the rough.

Like you said- they get cut before TC, so what's the point? Seems like a huge waste of time and resources for a 1 in a million shot.

What time and resources that are so huge are being wasted? Did he get a big signing bonus? Are they not working on signing Dallas Clark or LJ Smith right now because they signed Johnson?

Point is, there is nobody out there right now they can sign. So who cares if they bring a guy like this onboard?

[OpIv37]

What time and resources that are so huge are being wasted? Did he get a big signing bonus? Are they not working on signing Dallas Clark or LJ Smith right now because they signed Johnson?

Point is, there is nobody out there right now they can sign. So who cares if they bring a guy like this onboard?

so, who cares if they don't? You think he's playing for free? You think the coaches have unlimited time to spend with the players, particularly when the CBA limits what they're required to do in the off-season? I'd rather see that effort put towards someone with more potential than that.

[Philagape]

Are they not working on signing Dallas Clark or LJ Smith right now because they signed Johnson?

I'm afraid of that

[Meathead]

every team hopes to find a diamond in the rough. We RELY on it and it never seems to work out.
fred jackson fa 06
jabari greer udfa 04

[Dr. Lecter]

so, who cares if they don't? You think he's playing for free? You think the coaches have unlimited time to spend with the players, particularly when the CBA limits what they're required to do in the off-season? I'd rather see that effort put towards someone with more potential than that.

Players don't get paid in the offseason.

Who can they put the effort towards right now? I am sure that Schouman will still get all the work he can get.

There is no reason to be excited about this signing, unless you are Skooby.

There is no reason to ***** about it unless you need to invent reasons to *****.

[OpIv37]

fred jackson fa 06
jabari greer udfa 04

that's not the same as signing a guy who's already failed multiple times.

Plus, you're using the exception to prove the rule. How many failures have we had bringing in this type of player over that same time period? I don't know the exact number but it's a LOT.

[Dr. Lecter]

fred jackson fa 06
jabari greer udfa 04

Jason Peters, UDFA TE
Goerge Wilson, UDFA WR

They should have NEVER spent time with those guys.

[OpIv37]

Players don't get paid in the offseason.

Who can they put the effort towards right now? I am sure that Schouman will still get all the work he can get.

There is no reason to be excited about this signing, unless you are Skooby.

There is no reason to ***** about it unless you need to invent reasons to *****.

there is reason to *****- we're signing a guy that you yourself said will most likely get cut. What's the point? but hey- let's defend the organization for pointless moves and criticize those who bring attention to the fact that they're pointless. That's perfectly logical :rolleyes:

[Dr. Lecter]

that's not the same as signing a guy who's already failed multiple times.

Plus, you're using the exception to prove the rule. How many failures have we had bringing in this type of player over that same time period? I don't know the exact number but it's a LOT.

No ****. Most signings like this ARE failures. That does not mean you don't make any.

Do you really think the Bills are the only team that signs gusy like this?

Every single team does.

Can you wait to ***** until they screw up the draft or the actual FA signing period?

[OpIv37]

Jason Peters, UDFA TE
Goerge Wilson, UDFA WR

They should have NEVER spent time with those guys.

oh, those guys were unsuccessful for 4 years before we signed them like Teyo Johnson? Funny, none of their bios include that information.

And George Wilson? Wow- you're really stretching. The guy's a career 4th-5th stringer.

[Dr. Lecter]

there is reason to *****- we're signing a guy that you yourself said will most likely get cut. What's the point? but hey- let's defend the organization for pointless moves and criticize those who bring attention to the fact that they're pointless. That's perfectly logical :rolleyes:

Ok. Real slow now.

Who
else
are
they
supposed
to
sign
?

Every team makes moves like this in the offseason. EVERY TEAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Meathead]

yo mama udfho

[YardRat]

It officially becomes the off-season when a pissing match breaks out over a player like Teyo Johnson.

[OpIv37]

Ok. Real slow now.

Who
else
are
they
supposed
to
sign
?

Every team makes moves like this in the offseason. EVERY TEAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

here's a thought- if you can't sign anyone who will improve the team right now- DON"T SIGN ANYONE AND WAIT TIL FA STARTS.

You're defending signing a player who won't help the team solely for the sake of signing a player.

Why bother? because of George Wilson? Give me a ****ing break.

[TigerJ]

I am sure he is an upgrade over Shouman.He would be used in a completely different way. I'm not sure that Schouman is going to be in the Bills plans with a shift to a more traditional fullback looking likely, but I would not have expected to ever see Schouman up on the line, while I would absolutely never expect to see Teyo Johnson lineing up in the backfield. They are apples and oranges.

[Nighthawk]

I think we all need to relax and take a deep breath. Let's not forget that this guy has done absolutely nothing in the NFL. Also, let's not forget that our coach is Dickey and he isn't exactly the best coach in the NFL, so to expect him to suddenly turn Johnson into a great player in the NFL is highly unlikely!

[gr8slayer]

yeah. another loser even the raiders didny want. when will this **** end?
Ah come on, even I, the king of all that is pessimism regarding the Bills understands that although this is nothing ground breaking it's just what teams do this time of the year. This is the time of the year you sign your training camp prospects.

[gr8slayer]

I think they're trying to reach for something at TE; because I don't think there is a quality TE in FA who is affordable, and there doesn't seem like a ton of first day talent at the position either via the draft?
Holy smokes, when did you get out of the Red Pat? BTW, I agree with you here.

This pick up is a no lose situation; he doesn't work out we cut him with no consequences.

[feelthepain]

That is great ****ing news. He is an athlete.

Yeah, but too bad he's not a football player.

[gr8slayer]

Yeah, but too bad he's not a football player.
Some would say the same about Ted Ginn but he's a Dolphin so he's an automatic all-star right?

[John Doe]

I think we all need to relax and take a deep breath. Let's not forget that this guy has done absolutely nothing in the NFL. Also, let's not forget that our coach is Dickey and he isn't exactly the best coach in the NFL, so to expect him to suddenly turn Johnson into a great player in the NFL is highly unlikely!

Johnson has not done a lot so far in the NFL, but 29 catches is more than "absolutely nothing."

And, it is the offensive coaches that are responsible for turning Johnson into a better player.

This guy may not turn into anything more than training camp fodder, but you will never find a "diamond in the rough" if you don't dig for it.

The team will probably keep about 4 tight ends - Johnson could give them an entirely different look, as many have pointed out.

[TedMock]

Wow. I can't believe that the signing of Teyo Johnson has resulted in a 5 page thread. I also can't believe that some people are actually upset with the signing. Are you kidding me? The guy may or may not make the team. It's not costing anything, it's not hurting any current members of the team and it probably didn't take a ton of resources to research the guy. So he'll provide a little competition to the guys currently on the team. That's the absolute worst possible scenario - putting a little competition on the field. Best case scenario is that he's a regular contributor in 2008. It's a common signing not just for the Bills, but for every team in the NFL. Seriously, who gives a sh?

[methos4ever]

According to Brown, I guess the staff has thought about splitting him out wide. He was a WR at Stanford anyoo, so what's the harm in bringing him in and trying him out over TC at both positions?

[mysticsoto]

here's a thought- if you can't sign anyone who will improve the team right now- DON"T SIGN ANYONE AND WAIT TIL FA STARTS.

You're defending signing a player who won't help the team solely for the sake of signing a player.

Why bother? because of George Wilson? Give me a ****ing break.

Ummm...if they don't sign anyone, then you'll ***** about them not looking and attempting to fill the holes we have. C'mon Op. This is clearly you *****ing just to *****. All teams sign multiple players in the offseason. Some make it, many don't.

And I have to take exception to your belittling of George Wilson. Perhaps you need to take another look at the Miami game where he finally started coming out and excelling at Safety (a new position for him - that you apparently don't want to give him time to adjust to). Don't put down another player who started producing just b'cse he doesn't fit into the point you want to make...

[bigbub2352]

Perfect time to add questionable talent, get him in here learn the system and see what he can do, Ican Honestly say without a problem, i will take Teyo johnson over Ryan Nuefeld, and Matt Murphy
he has talent and has been injured and is only 26 that means Prime, so lets just see what he does, and then we can argue

[TigerJ]

Wow. I can't believe that the signing of Teyo Johnson has resulted in a 5 page thread. I also can't believe that some people are actually upset with the signing. Are you kidding me? The guy may or may not make the team. It's not costing anything, it's not hurting any current members of the team and it probably didn't take a ton of resources to research the guy. So he'll provide a little competition to the guys currently on the team. That's the absolute worst possible scenario - putting a little competition on the field. Best case scenario is that he's a regular contributor in 2008. It's a common signing not just for the Bills, but for every team in the NFL. Seriously, who gives a sh?

It's offseason, man. we can talk about the Super Bowl, but every time I think of Bill Belichick I get a taste of bile in my mouth. There aren't many moves going on now because most free agents to be are still under contract until March first. So when there's a little actual Bills news, no matter how unimportant, we're going to jump on it.

[!Papacrunk!]

well maybe a change of scenery will help him, because he did next to nothing when he was in Miami.

[Nighthawk]

well maybe a change of scenery will help him, because he did next to nothing when he was in Miami.

Not to be a jerk, but isn't this true about almost everybody on that team?

[hydro]

Op is really living up to his zone award, even with the fact that he isn't even on here as much.

Threads like these just make me wonder if Op just looks for absolutely anything that could deserve *****ing. I mean seriously, you are agruing about taking a chance on a kid, when you would be *****ing anyway if this guy went to another and turned out to be a diamond in the ruff wondering why we didn't take a look at him. If teams never took a chance on players then you wouldn't see any of the undrafted free agents you do in the NFL.

[HHURRICANE]

Yeah, but too bad he's not a football player.

I loved the comment but the John Beck sig couldn't be any gayer!! This guy sucks.

[!Papacrunk!]

Not to be a jerk, but isn't this true about almost everybody on that team?
so what does that say if he got let go then?

[OpIv37]

Ummm...if they don't sign anyone, then you'll ***** about them not looking and attempting to fill the holes we have. C'mon Op. This is clearly you *****ing just to *****. All teams sign multiple players in the offseason. Some make it, many don't.

And I have to take exception to your belittling of George Wilson. Perhaps you need to take another look at the Miami game where he finally started coming out and excelling at Safety (a new position for him - that you apparently don't want to give him time to adjust to). Don't put down another player who started producing just b'cse he doesn't fit into the point you want to make...

If they don't sign anyone when FA starts, I'll *****. If they don't sign anyone now, I could care less. The only thing out there is other teams' junk.

I want the team to sign players that will IMPROVE the team- if they sign players who don't improve the team, of course I'm going to *****. If there is no one available who will help, just don't sign anyone.

My bad on Wilson- I totally forgot that he moved to S. But anyway, a 4th string receiver who got moved to 3rd or 4th string S is hardly sufficient defense for signing Teyo like Lecter claimed.

[Dr. Lecter]

It is not as much about defending as it is a signing that is not one to ***** about, unless you are bored and need something new to ***** about.

You have ignored the fact that EVERY tream signs guys like this in the early offseason.

[OpIv37]

Op is really living up to his zone award, even with the fact that he isn't even on here as much.

Threads like these just make me wonder if Op just looks for absolutely anything that could deserve *****ing. I mean seriously, you are agruing about taking a chance on a kid, when you would be *****ing anyway if this guy went to another and turned out to be a diamond in the ruff wondering why we didn't take a look at him. If teams never took a chance on players then you wouldn't see any of the undrafted free agents you do in the NFL.

this is NOT the same as a UDFA. The guy has already failed with three other teams. I don't see a problem with giving some guys a chance to prove themselves even if they weren't drafted. It's an entirely different situation from a 2nd round draft pick who's already failed three times.

[OpIv37]

It is not as much about defending as it is a signing that is not one to ***** about, unless you are bored and need something new to ***** about.

You have ignored the fact that EVERY tream signs guys like this in the early offseason.

and most of them don't even make the roster, and NONE of them contribute. So what's the point?

"This banker got fired from his last 3 jobs for losing money, but let's bring him in cheap for a couple months and see if he can make us a few bucks."

"the last three houses this builder finished collapsed with in a year, but the price is right!"

In any other industry, you'd get fired for even suggesting something so asinine.

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Wow. I can't believe that there has been as much negativity in this thread as there has been--especially because I recall more than people here than just gr8tslayer being in favor of the Bills picking Teyo Johnson up a couple of years ago...I guess it's just what has become the typical knee-jerk reaction of some around here lately.

OP, you should know better and, if you don't, just take a look at the "Transactions" column in your local newspaper's sports section: every day you will see teams around the NFL, including the very good ones, signing "street free-agents" at this time of year.

There is a dual reason for doing this: the first and most important reason that teams sign "street free-agents" at this time of year is to bring in enough bodies at the positions where they are short-handed to allow teams to run their practices (OTAs and early in TC) without wearing out their top players at those positions or overly exposing them to injuries (that's why teams sign a 2nd kicker/punter, 4th QB etc., who have no shot at making the team--to allow the first and second-stringers to get X number of reps, plus or minus a few, but not to get worn out having to work with the 3rd, 4th and 5th string and risk getting hurt); the second reason, as has been stated, is in the hope that a "street free-agent" signing will end up being a contributor (when you watch the SB on Sunday, keep in mind that NY Giants' starting LT D.Diehl and RG Rich Seubert were both "street free agents" at one time--so, it does happen).

A third reason that a signing like this one can be useful for the Bills is the fact that it gives the Bills some leverage in its efforts to re-sign one or more of the TEs who were with the team last year who are FAs this year and serves as insurance in case they do not (for whatever reason).

So, it is not a stupid or useless move. Especially for a team with only 2 TEs currently under contract (and one that is not likely to lay out the kind of money that it will take to reel in either D.Clark or LJ Smith).

As to the player, Teyo Johnson, himself: Johnson is a bit of a unique athlete who had a lot to learn when he came into the NFL and never quite been in a position to master the TE position the way he was expected to. Some of that IMHO was his fault and some was the fault of the situations that he was in.

I saw the kid play for Oakland a couple of times and he has the physical goods to be a useful player in the NFL: he's tall, has long arms, nice speed, athleticism. Two negatives caught my eye immediately: he's lean, not bulky, and was not a good run blocker--either because he really didn't want to block or because he really didn't know how to block properly; and, with his long legs, he wasn't very quick or deceptive getting in and out of his cuts when running his pass routes. He looked like he could do some interesting things as a deep threat from the TE position, but he struck me as being still very raw and not entirely mature at that point--but, he was still young (this was in his first and second years with the Raiders). And, if I recall correctly, he did play some special teams (at least in one game) and wasn't bad.

As I see this signing, it is not a bad one for the Bills and might turn out to be a pretty decent one:

1.) At the very least, with Schouman coming off an injury (and you don't want to overwork him as he is doing that), Johnson gives the Bills a second "in-line" TE who can run some routes and catch some passes for the QBs when they are working out and trying to digest the changes that Schonert is going to make to the offense before the OTAs.

2.) He gives the Bills some leverage in their negotiations with Gaines (who they have indicated that they are interested in bringing back) and perhaps either Murphy and/or Neufeld (both of whom the Bills may choose not to re-sign).

3.) If the Bills choose not to re-sign Neufeld, who has been hurt both of the last two years and may be coming to the end of his career, or Murphy, Johnson gives them a guy, who is more athletic than either one of those two players, that can take some reps in the OTAs and early in TC if they draft a TE and the rookie isn't able to come to one or more of them or they have some difficulty signing him or getting him ready early in TC.

4.) With his athleticism--and he is easily the most athletic TE that the Bills have had on their roster in years--it is possible--not a given, but possible--that he could be a player who could add a dimension to the Bills offense that has been missing for a long time: deep speed and leaping ability. Because the Bills have shown a preference for TEs who are good blockers first, Johnson will have to show that he can be a more willing and better blocker than he was when he was in Oakland to get playing time with the Bills, he is older than he was then and, having been hurt and found himself out on the street, hopefully he will be more mature now and more willing to work on the techniques that he needs to work on to become an effective player than relying solely on his athleticism as he did with the Raiders.

If Teyo Johnson shows up with a professional attitude and a willingness to learn and do what he needs to do to become a better all-around player (perhaps because he likes the coaching staff, etc.), he has the kind of athleticism that could make him a solid contributor for the Bills because he does have the kind of speed that would allow the Bills to split him out and make teams respect him and the kind of height/length and leaping ability to make him a threat in the red zone. And, even if he doesn't become a superstar, that would make this a pretty decent signing because it would add a dimension to the Bills' offense that has been missing for a long time.

If, on the other hand, he shows that he is unwilling or unable to become anything more than the player that he was in Oakland, well, then, he will just be a cheap body that can take some reps in practice to help keep the Bills other TEs from getting too much work and they can cut their ties with him in TC at little cost.

A couple of years ago, the Bills brought in another guy who was a unique athlete who had a lot to learn and had not really mastered any position. For all of his athleticism, though, he wasn't even able to make the Bills roster after the preseason--the was 5th or 6th string at his position. But, he was a unique athlete and he was willing to learn (even a new position if he had to), so the Bills signed him to the practice squad. Do you remember what you said about him, then, OP? Do you remember ridiculing me for saying that he would end up being the Bills starting LT within 2-3 years? Well, his name was Jason Peters. And, in 3 years, he got himself elected to the Pro Bowl.

Now, I'm not saying that Teyo Johnson is going to be another Jason Peters. I don't know that. But, like Peters, he is a unique athlete--who has the potential to be pretty good if he works at it and can master his position. Now, at 26, the Bills aren't going to give him the same amount of time to develop (or individual attention) that they could afford to give to Peters--so it is going to be up to Johnson to prove that he has learned a lot already from his previous stops in the NFL. But, if he has learned, from being in the league and being out of a job, and is willing to do what he needs to do to master what the Bills want him to do, he could prove to be a decent pick up.

We'll just have to wait and see what he can do. But, at the very least, he's a body that can fill a role in training camp. His athleticism certainly gives him more potential than say a Brad Cieslak and would allow the Bills to run certain routes for their TEs in the OTAs that they really don't have anyone capable of running on their present roster.

Finally: IMHO this signing is a signal that Schonert wants to run an offense that utilizes the TE as a deep-threat in the passing game and is a strong indication that the Bills will be looking to draft a TE who can fill that role--because Johnson is a gamble who cannot be fully relied on to fill that role since ultimately they do not know whether he will or will not be able to get the job done. However, because the NCAA has restrictions on participation of rookies in the OTAs and rookies do take some time to develop, even if they sign and get into TC early--and because you don't want to wear out a rookie, who is going to have to adjust from playing a 12-13 game season to playing a 16+ game season by having him run too many plays in practice--having Johnson on the roster and around will allow the Bills' offense, especially the QBs, to practice running plays that involve having the TE run deeper routes. In that regard, even if Johnson doesn't make the Bills roster going into next season, having him available in practices will serve a useful purpose--which is enough to justify having signed him. And, if Johnson turns out to be able to contribute more than that, so much the better. So, in that sense, I can't see this as being a bad signing--it is a signing that appears to have more purpose to it than many.

[Night Train]

Great post, LTBF. Intelligent, balanced, well researched.

If only others could follow your lead.

[Dr. Lecter]

They usually are.

Now, let the relentless *****ing commence.

[feelthepain]

Finally: IMHO this signing is a signal that Schonert wants to run an offense that utilizes the TE as a deep-threat in the passing game and is a strong indication that the Bills will be looking to draft a TE who can fill that role--because Johnson is a gamble who cannot be fully relied on to fill that role since ultimately they do not know whether he will or will not be able to get the job done. However, because the NCAA has restrictions on participation of rookies in the OTAs and rookies do take some time to develop, even if they sign and get into TC early--and because you don't want to wear out a rookie, who is going to have to adjust from playing a 12-13 game season to playing a 16+ game season by having him run too many plays in practice--having Johnson on the roster and around will allow the Bills' offense, especially the QBs, to practice running plays that involve having the TE run deeper routes. In that regard, even if Johnson doesn't make the Bills roster going into next season, having him available in practices will serve a useful purpose--which is enough to justify having signed him. And, if Johnson turns out to be able to contribute more than that, so much the better. So, in that sense, I can't see this as being a bad signing--it is a signing that appears to have more purpose to it than many.


The Bills signed Teyo Johnson, not Antonio Gates! This guy can't seem to stay with a team. I think he's a terrific athlete, but a lousy football player.

[jmb1099]

The Bills signed Teyo Johnson, not Antonio Gates! This guy can't seem to stay with a team. I think he's a terrific athlete, but a lousy football player.
Re-read what lifetime wrote and I think you'll find that he never announces Teyo as the second coming of Gates. The guy is a gamble but the point that excites some Bills fans is that is appears that maybe, just maybe, we will be running an offense that utilizes the tight end position a bit more prominently.

[mysticsoto]

Good post, LTBF. If only Op would have an ounce of your objectivity!!!

Nobody has claimed he will be our next Antonio Gates or savior at TE. But with his athletic intangibles, he merits a look at and there is very little risk to doing so if it doesn't work out.

At the very least, he raises the bar (as LTBF mentions) w/r/t the other TEs on how in shape they better be when coming to the OTAs!!!

[gr8slayer]

The Bills signed Teyo Johnson, not Antonio Gates! This guy can't seem to stay with a team. I think he's a terrific athlete, but a lousy football player.
Your IQ is showing again, nobody here is saying that he's anything but the fact that he's an athlete who hasn't done anything in the past but still has the potential to do something. Nobody is making stupid claims like: "Culpepper will lead us to a Super Bowl."

Take your panties off and re-read the thread.

[baalworship]

He's a great athlete. Why are people mad that we signed a 6'6'' WR/TE that can leap? Basketball player at Stanford, etc. He is someone I remember hoping for in the draft but the Raiders got him.

He will definitely be someone to watch for in camp.

[gr8slayer]

He's a great athlete. Why are people mad that we signed a 6'6'' WR/TE that can leap? Basketball player at Stanford, etc. He is someone I remember hoping for in the draft but the Raiders got him.

He will definitely be someone to watch for in camp.
Baal as in Diablo Baal?

[Bert102176]

bout time we got him I've wanted him for awhile now

[TheBrownBear]

He was awesome in college...was a dominant player in the Pac10...not sure what happened to him in the pros. He's worth taking a flyer on based on potential alone.

[!Papacrunk!]

JERK ALERT:

Did I stumble into the Robert Royal thread from a couple of years ago?

Sorry, just joshin

[Losman4Life]

This move really don't excite me.

We need to get JP some real weapons like Randy Moss or Ocho Cinco! I heard that Jeremy Shockey is going to be moved this offseason as well.

[hydro]

This move really don't excite me.

We need to get JP some real weapons like Randy Moss or Ocho Cinco! I heard that Jeremy Shockey is going to be moved this offseason as well.

:rofl: You crack me up everytime :lol:

[Kerr]

The talent is definitely there. Hopefully he proves himself and becomes a factor in the offense.

[jimbo]

im new to this site, i prefer to listen then talk. Prefer to read then post.
Prefer to just watch the damn games on sundays and in the Bills case 16 weeks a year then babble about Teyo Te-who? some of you guys need a job. need a life.

[gr8slayer]

im new to this site, i prefer to listen then talk. Prefer to read then post.
Prefer to just watch the damn games on sundays and in the Bills case 16 weeks a year then babble about Teyo Te-who? some of you guys need a job. need a life.
Wow.....

[hydro]

im new to this site, i prefer to listen then talk. Prefer to read then post.
Prefer to just watch the damn games on sundays and in the Bills case 16 weeks a year then babble about Teyo Te-who? some of you guys need a job. need a life.

So you decided to join this forum why?

[kernowboy]

Johnson's a reasonable pick up, but I hope this does not stop us looking at a decent TE in R3 - someone who might become our Jason Witten would be worth SERIOUS consideration

[mysticsoto]

So you decided to join this forum why?

I think he's saying there are too many people around here who jump to conclusions based on the slightest things. Look at the number of pages the signing of Teyo Johnson generated... We're not even in FA period yet and people are already complaining. There is absolutely no reason to complain about this signing. LTBF stated perfectly the reason it is actually a good signing and everyone who complained should read his post again!

[hydro]

I think he's saying there are too many people around here who jump to conclusions based on the slightest things. Look at the number of pages the signing of Teyo Johnson generated... We're not even in FA period yet and people are already complaining. There is absolutely no reason to complain about this signing. LTBF stated perfectly the reason it is actually a good signing and everyone who complained should read his post again!

I sincerely hope so.

[jimbo]

i already stated why i joined this forum i decided to join this forum mainly to read a variety of perspectives from various people on a single issue. this thread should have began and ended with lifetimebillsfans post. i learned more from his post then from all the other ones combined. my first post was on the shockey thread stating how i dont want him period. again thank you lifetimebillsfans you were right on.

again to reiterate, the Giants won w/ out Shockey. coincidence?

but I guess even the Bills have pin headed fans.

some of you stated he would bring attitude and excitement to the Bills? yeah negative attitude and negative energy. thats prolly the type of energy the people supporting a Bills shockey signing bring themselves.
you are who you role with.

[gr8slayer]

i already stated why i joined this forum i decided to join this forum mainly to read a variety of perspectives from various people on a single issue. this thread should have began and ended with lifetimebillsfans post. i learned more from his post then from all the other ones combined. my first post was on the shockey thread stating how i dont want him period. again thank you lifetimebillsfans you were right on.

again to reiterate, the Giants won w/ out Shockey. coincidence?

but I guess even the Bills have pin headed fans.

some of you stated he would bring attitude and excitement to the Bills? yeah negative attitude and negative energy. thats prolly the type of energy the people supporting a Bills shockey signing bring themselves.
you are who you role with.
Which is why we are an average team, we "roll" with average players.

[jimbo]

there is just as much talent on this team to win as any other.

its how you apply the talent you have then the talent you apply.

again just another pessimistic Bills fan looking for excuses for this team.

[gr8slayer]

there is just as much talent on this team to win as any other.

its how you apply the talent you have then the talent you apply.

again just another pessimistic Bills fan looking for excuses for this team.
You should really do some more reading before you start labeling anyone. BTW, you saying that we have just as much talent as any other team shows your ignorance, there are far better teams talent-wise than us.

[The last buffalo fan]

You should really do some more reading before you start labeling anyone. BTW, you saying that we have just as much talent as any other team shows your ignorance, there are far better teams talent-wise than us.

I could kill to get that Giants DL. :ill:

[jimbo]

gr8slayer mayb you should learn HOW to read and not put words in peoples mouth. ive been noticing thats a common theme with your rebuttles and arguments. you twist what people say and convolute it to fit your argument.

I said the Bills have as much talent TO WIN as anybody else. I said nothing about our pure talent level. individual talent of all 53 players. these are 2 different things bo. but i am sure you will have some arrogant thing to say in response to this. you always do.

[jimbo]

and by the way, im just labeling YOU with what i know you are. the evidence for yer pessimism is all over this forum in the threads you post buddy.

you think yer **** dont stink, but it reeks bo. it reeks.

[gr8slayer]

I said the Bills have as much talent TO WIN as anybody else.No, they don't.

[gr8slayer]

and by the way, im just labeling YOU with what i know you are. the evidence for yer pessimism is all over this forum in the threads you post buddy.


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you think yer **** dont stink, but it reeks bo. it reeks.You really need to work on your proper English skills.

By the way, since you're new to the board there's a thing called an "ignore feature." If you don't care for someone's opinion feel free to use it, you'll never see them again.

[jimbo]

ok better, yer entitled to yer opinion.

[gr8slayer]

ok better, yer entitled to yer opinion.
Not sure what country you live in but in my country everyone is entitled to their opinion :up:

I'd be interested to get an IP check on our friend jimbo here, his style of posting seems somewhat familiar :scratch: