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On Shelby's notice thread of my Peter Principle article, a few of the responses were worth getting back to;
See, this is what the handful of rah-rah types here wearing cheerleading skirts utterly fail to recognize.
On one hand you want the world to know that Bills fans are very intelligent football fans, which they are by and large. Yet on the other, you assume that in being so intelligent they can be snowed by the perpetual blizzards that emanate from OBD from April through October or so before the sun emerges and clears everything up for all but the diehards who immediately spring into "yeah but....next season" mode by digging through the dung heap to find all the uneaten kernals of corn to re-serve the following season.
Most fans, most that is, want the truth! They're not stupid. They want to know what the reality of their team is, but more importantly they want to know that someone in the media sees what the tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands perhaps, what they see!
They're tired of Wilson and all of Wilson's bumbling hires holding a can of Turd Polish (thanks Bang Cartoons) telling all the fans to hold on, that winning and competence are just around the corner down some dubious looking alleyway.
It's very nice to see that many of you here would rather just log on in the morning and have your little "snow globe" fantasy environment shaken up so that you can make it through the day I suppose.
And here's yet another complete and utter misconstruing of my sentiments, from people that always seem to know what I write yet don't actually read it;
I don't know that every individual promoted by the Bills will fail Jan. Only you and others here keep that falsehood going dishonestly. I make predictions based on hard data, history, relevant trends, etc.
But I love how you and others here seem to have every reason to believe, all based on soft, "intangible," and irrelevant opinionated unfactual indicators that they will succeed in spite of their having dragged around a litany of failures immediately prior to their getting promoted or hired here.
It is interesting I would note that if these are all such major coincidences, then why am I just about always proven categorically correct after things shake out?
I told you that Donadope would be a miserable failure before he was even hired and got lambasted here. What was the result?
I said the same about Gilbride, particularly his promotion to OC after being QB coach. What happened there?
I said the same thing about Bledsoe who I'd studied for years arguing with my Pats buddy regularly on that. How did that pan out?
Etc., etc., etc.
You try to give me far too much credit here Jan! Truly. I've never claimed to know or do anything any better than anyone else besides simply analyzing and synthesizing information that's already fully available for you, I, or anyone else here or within the organization to dissect and to come to the same exact expectations and predictions.
The difference between me and the team and y'all, the fans that deliberately choose to believe the same team/organization, is that I refuse to just stand there and nod and say "Yeah, what he [Wilson, Jauron, Bills' representative, Chris Brown, etc.] said!"
I in turn perform my own analysis.
As a case in point, let's go ahead and use Schonert:
First of all, I would ask the question why he hasn't been able to hold down a job in the NFL?
His coaching record is as follows according to TOS:
QB Coach:
Tampa '92 - '95
"directed the passers of the Buffalo Bills" from '98 - '00.
WTH does that mean, "directed the passers?" Was he QB coach or not? Sounds like the organization really reaching for the plausible scrap of success that they can in building up his sorry dossier to me. But hey, perhaps you view it differently.
QB Coach:
Carolina in '01
Giants in '03
Saints in '05
Bills in '06/'07
So first of all why was he apparently let go from those other teams? Well, perhaps the below will help clear things up.
What did he do in '96 and '97, and in '02 and '04?
I mean if he's such a hot commodity and great choice with a huge litany of success trailing him, why weren't teams just champing at the bit to sign him?
As to his time in Buffalo I would first have to get some clarification what "directed the passers" actually means in the OBD Lexicon of Billsspeak in analyzing the '98-'00 seasons!
Otherwise, the entirety of Bills fandom has annointed Rob Johnson a massive failure and we all know that Flutie was unique and did what he wanted to regardless of what the coaches, even higher than whatever it was Schonert was doing then, said.
Otherwise, Losman's rating plummeted nearly a full 10 points from last year to this one under Schonert's impecable tutelage while seeing his TD/INT ratio get cut in half. Meanwhile, any that suggests that Edwards' performance doesn't raise questions as to even his 3rd round draft status is fully deluding themselves. And speaking of predictions, mine is that Edwards will never effectively or successfully hold down a starting job in the NFL as a QB.
But the bottom line is that no one can look at that and even see a single season of much success much less any pattern or trend of one.
Oh, I take that back, im4bflo, you, and some others probably can. That can very easily be explained however by our diametric definitions of "success" presumably. I enjoy winning, competence, and solid fundamental football where as you guys apparently are quite content reading about how great we are from January through August not wanting to have your views of this team interrupted by things as abysmal as the actual season from September through the New Year. As I've stated in the past, the issues with the discrepancies in perspectives here could be you.
Regardless, is that good to you? A basis for hope that he'll finally either pull his head out of his colon if that's it, or otherwise undergo some intellectual catharsis at the age of 51 now if that's the issue?
I'm just not getting it here Jan, this is a very simple "connect the dots" exercise leaving you defending the indefensible quite honestly.
Oh, you didn't know all that you say perhaps? Why not?
Does the organization? It took me all of about 20 minutes, tops, if that even, to collect all that data! Did anyone within the organization do that? Did Wilson task one of the highly paid personnel guys to do so? If not, then why not?
If the team is so proud of Schonert's "success," why not publish all of this openly in the media, on the front page of their site just to prove to everyone why they should have the utmost of confidence in Schonert?
Why/why not?
Naturally, neither you nor anyone else will actually answer that question, but that does not render it any less meaningful.
More people would rather come here to read what I just wrote than to hear you, im4bflo, and others blather on about what great choices the team is making w/o any basis or substantiation whatsoever, trust me!
Those that don't want to read it don't, then state that they know what I wrote without actually having read it, and then continue on their merry way in a mantra of "ignorance is bliss."
On Shelby's notice thread of my Peter Principle article, a few of the responses were worth getting back to;
Originally posted by im4bflo
Well if he's all we got, and a new Bills fan surfs in and reads
pure negativity, would you want to join?
I don't want to start an argument, I don't ever read our front page anyway,
since the BILLSZONE toolbar bypasses it.
pure negativity, would you want to join?
I don't want to start an argument, I don't ever read our front page anyway,
since the BILLSZONE toolbar bypasses it.
On one hand you want the world to know that Bills fans are very intelligent football fans, which they are by and large. Yet on the other, you assume that in being so intelligent they can be snowed by the perpetual blizzards that emanate from OBD from April through October or so before the sun emerges and clears everything up for all but the diehards who immediately spring into "yeah but....next season" mode by digging through the dung heap to find all the uneaten kernals of corn to re-serve the following season.
Most fans, most that is, want the truth! They're not stupid. They want to know what the reality of their team is, but more importantly they want to know that someone in the media sees what the tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands perhaps, what they see!
They're tired of Wilson and all of Wilson's bumbling hires holding a can of Turd Polish (thanks Bang Cartoons) telling all the fans to hold on, that winning and competence are just around the corner down some dubious looking alleyway.
It's very nice to see that many of you here would rather just log on in the morning and have your little "snow globe" fantasy environment shaken up so that you can make it through the day I suppose.
And here's yet another complete and utter misconstruing of my sentiments, from people that always seem to know what I write yet don't actually read it;
Originally posted by Jan Reimers
But I love how you and others here seem to have every reason to believe, all based on soft, "intangible," and irrelevant opinionated unfactual indicators that they will succeed in spite of their having dragged around a litany of failures immediately prior to their getting promoted or hired here.
It is interesting I would note that if these are all such major coincidences, then why am I just about always proven categorically correct after things shake out?
I told you that Donadope would be a miserable failure before he was even hired and got lambasted here. What was the result?
I said the same about Gilbride, particularly his promotion to OC after being QB coach. What happened there?
I said the same thing about Bledsoe who I'd studied for years arguing with my Pats buddy regularly on that. How did that pan out?
Etc., etc., etc.
You try to give me far too much credit here Jan! Truly. I've never claimed to know or do anything any better than anyone else besides simply analyzing and synthesizing information that's already fully available for you, I, or anyone else here or within the organization to dissect and to come to the same exact expectations and predictions.
The difference between me and the team and y'all, the fans that deliberately choose to believe the same team/organization, is that I refuse to just stand there and nod and say "Yeah, what he [Wilson, Jauron, Bills' representative, Chris Brown, etc.] said!"
I in turn perform my own analysis.
As a case in point, let's go ahead and use Schonert:
First of all, I would ask the question why he hasn't been able to hold down a job in the NFL?
His coaching record is as follows according to TOS:
QB Coach:
Tampa '92 - '95
"directed the passers of the Buffalo Bills" from '98 - '00.
WTH does that mean, "directed the passers?" Was he QB coach or not? Sounds like the organization really reaching for the plausible scrap of success that they can in building up his sorry dossier to me. But hey, perhaps you view it differently.
QB Coach:
Carolina in '01
Giants in '03
Saints in '05
Bills in '06/'07
So first of all why was he apparently let go from those other teams? Well, perhaps the below will help clear things up.
What did he do in '96 and '97, and in '02 and '04?
I mean if he's such a hot commodity and great choice with a huge litany of success trailing him, why weren't teams just champing at the bit to sign him?
*Primary QB | Team QB | ||||||||
Season | Team | TDs | INTs | Rating | TDs | INTs | Rating | ||
1992 | Tampa | *Testeverde | 14 | 16 | 74.2 | 17 | 20 | 73.3 | |
1993 | Tampa | *Erickson | 18 | 21 | 66.4 | 19 | 25 | 64.1 | |
1994 | Tampa | *Erickson | 16 | 10 | 82.5 | 17 | 16 | 75.2 | |
1995 | Tampa | *Dilfer | 4 | 18 | 60.1 | 5 | 20 | 60.3 | |
2001 | Carolina | *Weinke | 11 | 19 | 62 | 12 | 22 | 60.6 | |
2003 | Giants | *Collins | 13 | 16 | 70.7 | 16 | 20 | 68.4 | |
2005 | New Orleans | *Brooks | 13 | 17 | 70 | 15 | 24 | 66.6 | |
Totals & Rating Averages: | 89 | 117 | 69.4 | 101 | 147 | 66.9 |
As to his time in Buffalo I would first have to get some clarification what "directed the passers" actually means in the OBD Lexicon of Billsspeak in analyzing the '98-'00 seasons!
Otherwise, the entirety of Bills fandom has annointed Rob Johnson a massive failure and we all know that Flutie was unique and did what he wanted to regardless of what the coaches, even higher than whatever it was Schonert was doing then, said.
Otherwise, Losman's rating plummeted nearly a full 10 points from last year to this one under Schonert's impecable tutelage while seeing his TD/INT ratio get cut in half. Meanwhile, any that suggests that Edwards' performance doesn't raise questions as to even his 3rd round draft status is fully deluding themselves. And speaking of predictions, mine is that Edwards will never effectively or successfully hold down a starting job in the NFL as a QB.
But the bottom line is that no one can look at that and even see a single season of much success much less any pattern or trend of one.
Oh, I take that back, im4bflo, you, and some others probably can. That can very easily be explained however by our diametric definitions of "success" presumably. I enjoy winning, competence, and solid fundamental football where as you guys apparently are quite content reading about how great we are from January through August not wanting to have your views of this team interrupted by things as abysmal as the actual season from September through the New Year. As I've stated in the past, the issues with the discrepancies in perspectives here could be you.
Regardless, is that good to you? A basis for hope that he'll finally either pull his head out of his colon if that's it, or otherwise undergo some intellectual catharsis at the age of 51 now if that's the issue?
I'm just not getting it here Jan, this is a very simple "connect the dots" exercise leaving you defending the indefensible quite honestly.
Oh, you didn't know all that you say perhaps? Why not?
Does the organization? It took me all of about 20 minutes, tops, if that even, to collect all that data! Did anyone within the organization do that? Did Wilson task one of the highly paid personnel guys to do so? If not, then why not?
If the team is so proud of Schonert's "success," why not publish all of this openly in the media, on the front page of their site just to prove to everyone why they should have the utmost of confidence in Schonert?
Why/why not?
Naturally, neither you nor anyone else will actually answer that question, but that does not render it any less meaningful.
More people would rather come here to read what I just wrote than to hear you, im4bflo, and others blather on about what great choices the team is making w/o any basis or substantiation whatsoever, trust me!
Those that don't want to read it don't, then state that they know what I wrote without actually having read it, and then continue on their merry way in a mantra of "ignorance is bliss."
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