So does everyone say that Brady is the best ever

[Owen DeBoard]

Brady played like complete **** and all he could do is throw the short passes and it didnt pay off tonight. Ive said it before and ill say it again he is not the best qb ever and not the best qb right now in the league.

[YardRat]

When all is said and done, he still deserves consideration. Rings are one thing (Bradshaw, Montana) and stats another (Marino), but Brady has them both.

[njsue]

Brady played like complete **** and all he could do is throw the short passes and it didnt pay off tonight. Ive said it before and ill say it again he is not the best qb ever and not the best qb right now in the league.


His cheating way's caught up to him and the entire team.

[im4bflo]

F Brady

[Owen DeBoard]

When all is said and done, he still deserves consideration. Rings are one thing (Bradshaw, Montana) and stats another (Marino), but Brady has them both.
We will find out more about spygate in the next couple of weeks. If he had help to win them championships or not throw him out the window with the championships if found guilty.

[njsue]

The best ever QB is Joe Montana.

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

he is the best ever.

The best cheater
the best crybaby
the best marcia

[don137]

He's a very good QB but with lack of protection he looks like an average QB...

[Mr. Pink]

Numbers, Rings...I still think John Elway is the best QB I've ever had the pleasure of watching, not matter how much I hated him for the mid to late 80's.

[Owen DeBoard]

Numbers, Rings...I still think John Elway is the best QB I've ever had the pleasure of watching, not matter how much I hated him for the mid to late 80's.
Im glad to say we argee on somethin. John Elway was and always will be the man.

[Owen DeBoard]

Take that Brady for talkin **** about Plexs prediction sayin that the Pats would only score 17. Brady was laughin about that in an interview and it looks like Plex gets the last laugh because they couldnt even score 17. Hell yeah this is great!

[Owen DeBoard]

He's a very good QB but with lack of protection he looks like an average QB...
Aint that with every qb. He got the protection from the line and the refs the whole season but today was a different day.

[colin]

brady is a punk

he's also a system qb.

before getting the best wr ever, along with welker, and super burner stallworth he was a ~85 career PER qb. he is a dink and dunk specialist.

now the reason why i say he is a system guy is inspite of all the super stars around him, if he gets hit in the mouth he stinks.

great players make guys around them better, brady just takes advantage of what's around him.

[Owen DeBoard]

brady is a punk

he's also a system qb.

before getting the best wr ever, along with welker, and super burner stallworth he was a ~85 career PER qb. he is a dink and dunk specialist.

now the reason why i say he is a system guy is inspite of all the super stars around him, if he gets hit in the mouth he stinks.

great players make guys around them better, brady just takes advantage of what's around him.
I couldnt have put that any better. Great post dude.

[TacklingDummy]

Brady played like complete ****

His offensive line played worse.

[Philagape]

brady is a punk

he's also a system qb.

before getting the best wr ever, along with welker, and super burner stallworth he was a ~85 career PER qb. he is a dink and dunk specialist.

now the reason why i say he is a system guy is inspite of all the super stars around him, if he gets hit in the mouth he stinks.

great players make guys around them better, brady just takes advantage of what's around him.

Sorry, but system QBs don't win two Super Bowl MVPs and three rings before Moss and Welker came along.

[Owen DeBoard]

His offensive line played worse.
It just goes to prove to you that any qb could have won 18 in a row if they had that offensive line and wide recievers brady had but brady got all the credit.

[Hounds]

They do if they know what play is being called next becuase of the vast video tape library they have. Alot of close New England Super Bowls may have gone differantly if they didnt have the video tapes to cheat with

[Philagape]

People, it's your hatred talking. Period.

I understand, I hate him too.

[Goobylal]

No, Brady isn't even in consideration anymore IMHO. The cheating, with recent allegations about them videotaping the Rams' pre-SB walk-through back in 2002 (2001 season), basically invalidates their SB wins, from where his legend was born.

[Owen DeBoard]

No, Brady isn't even in consideration anymore IMHO. The cheating, with recent allegations about them videotaping the Rams' pre-SB walk-through back in 2002 (2001 season), basically invalidates their SB wins, from where his legend was born.
Thank you

[im4bflo]

Brady, Belichick and that team will never have respect.
the big * will be with them always.
They're an embarrassment to the league as far as I'm concerned.

[Michael82]

Sorry, but I don't give a **** what anyone says. Joe Montana is the best ever and John Elway is right behind him. I don't put Tom "cheating, arrogant, whiny, *****" Brady near either of them. I'll even go farther and say that Favre is better. :::

[Historian]

He's no John Elway....

[Ickybaluky]

I don't know about best ever, but Brady is already one of the top ten QB of all-time and could head higher considering he is only 30 years old. It isn't like he played poorly, the Pats just got beat by a better team. The Giants pass rush shut them down.

Brady's lifetime playoff numbers:

14 W, 3 L

372-for-594 (62.6%), 3,954 Yds (6.7 YPA), 26 TD, 12 INT, 88.2 QB Rating.

Those numbers stack up well all-time.

[The King]

Bradu has played amazing no question... but football is about basics. And offensive line play has been very consistant for Tom. That consistancy has allowed Brady to flurish.

[Discotrish]

Brady played like complete **** and all he could do is throw the short passes and it didnt pay off tonight. Ive said it before and ill say it again he is not the best qb ever and not the best qb right now in the league.

He is a good quarterback.

Some quarterbacks are still good even when their offensive line isn't good. Brady gets too much credit for having all kinds of time to throw.

He was getting battered around in the game, but there were several passes he just missed. In a game that close, it makes a difference.

It was starting to drive me crazy during the season when the announcers would say, "look, Brady hasn't even broken a sweat!" and "his hair is still all perfectly in place!" (They actually said that. I wanted to throw a drink at the TV)

That isn't how Eli Manning looked at the end of the game.

Patti

[Ickybaluky]

Bradu has played amazing no question... but football is about basics. And offensive line play has been very consistant for Tom. That consistancy has allowed Brady to flurish.

You can say that about an QB, even the great ones. It is a position that is reliant on the players surrounding you.

I remember Jim Plunkett getting beat to death on some poor Pats teams to the point where his confidence was shot. He was traded to SF and eventually cut. Oakland picked him up and sat him on the bench for a year to rebuild his confidence. When he got his shot, with a much better team, he showed the form that made him a Heisman winner and top pick.

[Ickybaluky]

He is a good quarterback.

Some quarterbacks are still good even when their offensive line isn't good. Brady gets too much credit for having all kinds of time to throw.

He was getting battered around in the game, but there were several passes he just missed. In a game that close, it makes a difference.

He is a great QB. His OL is good, but until this year he wasn't really surrounded by great players. You can't take away his ability to get rid of the ball and avoid the rush, he has won consistently throughout his career.

I can understand you hating the team, but if a player performs he performs. Brady has performed as well or better than most QB in NFL history. For his era, it is either him or Manning as the best, but both are all-time greats.

[The King]

You can say that about an QB, even the great ones. It is a position that is reliant on the players surrounding you.



I know... thats the point I was making. Football isnt that complicated. Its who has the better line. Last night the G-Mens D-Line was better.

[gr8slayer]

Manning > Brady

[Discotrish]

I can understand you hating the team, but if a player performs he performs. Brady has performed as well or better than most QB in NFL history. For his era, it is either him or Manning as the best, but both are all-time greats.

He is the best quarterback ever to go 18-1.


Thank you, God!

Patti

[Ickybaluky]

He is the best quarterback ever to go 18-1.

Actually, he is 100-27 as a starter for his career.

[THATHURMANATOR]

He is still in the conversation but he would have cemented it with a win yesterday. Keep in mind Brady has a good 5 years left.

[gr8slayer]

He is still in the conversation but he would have cemented it with a win yesterday. Keep in mind Brady has a good 5 years left.
He might but Belichick doesn't.

[Owen DeBoard]

He is the best quarterback ever to go 18-1.


Thank you, God!

Patti
I could be wrong but didnt Joe Montana go 18-1 with the 49ers?

[Discotrish]

Actually, he is 100-27 as a starter for his career.

Thank you, I am really enjoying meaningless stats today! No one but Brady and his agent care about 100-27. History will ALWAYS remember 18-1.

Patti

[TheGhostofJimKelly]

I might hold my judgment until it comes out that Brady played on like a broken ankle, but he is still one of the greatest.

[njsue]

brady is a punk

he's also a system qb.

before getting the best wr ever, along with welker, and super burner stallworth he was a ~85 career PER qb. he is a dink and dunk specialist.

now the reason why i say he is a system guy is inspite of all the super stars around him, if he gets hit in the mouth he stinks.

great players make guys around them better, brady just takes advantage of what's around him.

Tom Brady is way overrated.

[Dr. Lecter]

Tom Brady is way overrated.

Based on what?

He is one of the greatest of all time.

Remember some of the offensive "waepons" he has had success with. The NE receiving was pretty piss poor for years.

[imbondz]

He is the best quarterback ever to go 18-1.


Thank you, God!

Patti

:rofl: I love Patti.

[Oaf]

Great QB IMO, but he was piss poor last night. He absolutely missed on every throw outside of the 5 yard dinks to Welker and Faulk.

[Philagape]

Not the greatest ever, but does anyone think he won't be a first ballot Hall of Famer? (pending the cheating scandal)

[imbondz]

he'll be a first time ballot HOF even if the Patriots get caught cheating more. He can just say he didn't know.

he's great, and last night a win would have put him up there with the greatest, but now there's still some room. :chuckle:

and Montana and Elway are still ahead of him.

[Philagape]

If major cheating is proven, I can see the voters punishing the Pats by denying Brady on the first ballot. But that's the thing ... there's no way to prove the significance of it. This isn't an individual taking steroids. You can't look at X game and prove the outcome would have been different, even the first Super Bowl, and even less so an individual achievement.

[Jan Reimers]

Never did. I'd put Johnny Unitas, Dan Marino, Joe Montana, Brett Favre and maybe John Elway ahead of him.

[Discotrish]

The Patriots are the Bill Buckner of the NFL.

Patti

[imbondz]

I thought that same thing last night! but only to make me feel better, not because I believe it

[im4bflo]

Brady sucks nads!

[Goobylal]

Sorry but the cheating directly affects Brady's legacy, because he was a primary benificiary of it. It's like continuing to talk about Marion Jones or Barry Bonds' supremacy and ignoring the use of performance-enhancing drugs (and it wouldn't surprise me to learn Brady has been on HGH, but without proof, I won't go there).

And before we go all ga-ga over his performances in the SB, where again I stated he made his legend, the facts are that his defense was largely responsible for the wins over the Rams and Eagles, while Jake Delhomme matched him point-for-point until time ran out in the game.

[im4bflo]

Sorry but the cheating directly affects Brady's legacy, because he was a primary benificiary of it. It's like continuing to talk about Marion Jones or Barry Bonds' supremacy and ignoring the use of performance-enhancing drugs (and it wouldn't surprise me to learn Brady has been on HGH, but without proof, I won't go there).

And before we go all ga-ga over his performances in the SB, where again I stated he made his legend, the facts are that his defense was largely responsible for the wins over the Rams and Eagles, while Jake Delhomme matched him point-for-point until time ran out in the game.

Their fieldgoal kicker was the hero.

[DynaPaul]

Sorry, but Montana is still the best ever. He never lost in the big game.

[Goobylal]

Sorry, but Montana is still the best ever. He never lost in the big game.
And there were never any allegations, much less proof, of cheating.

[im4bflo]

And now the crybaby loser has wussed out of the Pro Bowl.
He knows he doesn't belong, and the smack talk would have him
crying all week! :laughing:

[venis2k1]

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h259/Meevin/gay_tom_brady.jpg

[Antoni]

Comparing Brady to Marino is just silly.

What Marino would do with Brady's supporting cast and today's rules.... wow.

I'd put a whole list of guys ahead of Brady. Marino, Montana, Elway, Kelly, Favre, and probably even Aikman too

[njsue]

His offensive line played worse.

They looked overrated!

[Wys Guy]

Brady played like complete **** and all he could do is throw the short passes and it didnt pay off tonight. Ive said it before and ill say it again he is not the best qb ever and not the best qb right now in the league.

Brady was on his back more than a crack ho in this game too.

IMO Brady is the best. If he hadn't been there, they'd have been lucky to amass 100 net yards given the tenacity of that F4. Not even F7, but F4 primarily. Tuck is an animal.

W/o Brady they're lucky to get a FG. JMO

[TigerJ]

He's in the conversation (for greatest ever). He shows that if you get enough pressure on even a great QB, you can render him ineffective.

[Wys Guy]

He's in the conversation (for greatest ever). He shows that if you get enough pressure on even a great QB, you can render him ineffective.

As it is w/ all QBs.

Consider however, he's done what he's done w/ the likes of Branch, Givens, Patten, and a past-prime Brown vice say Montana who had Clark, Rice, Taylor, Jones, Craig (most prolific receiving RB of all time), and Rathmann, on a regular basis for years.

Imagine Brady with that lineup for a decade straight!

Even as it is, Brady's numbers have been comparable or better than Montana's, and when he finally got a comparable, yet even not as good, supporting cast, he shattered anything that Montana ever did in a season.

[Wys Guy]

BTW, I put up my last article on the topic at my site.

[The last buffalo fan]

His offensive line played worse.

JP who?






:snicker:

[Ickybaluky]

JP who?

Yeah, but while pressure forced Brady into a "bad" game in the Super Bowl, he still completed 60% of his passes for 266 yards and a TD.

For JP, that would be among his career-best games.

[Owen DeBoard]

Yeah, but while pressure forced Brady into a "bad" game in the Super Bowl, he still completed 60% of his passes for 266 yards and a TD.

For JP, that would be among his career-best games.
Its not hard to complete 60% of his passes when they are the dink and dunk kind. He should have completed 80% of those. He couldnt even hit a wide open Randy Moss in the endzone when he had all the time in the world.

[Owen DeBoard]

As it is w/ all QBs.

Consider however, he's done what he's done w/ the likes of Branch, Givens, Patten, and a past-prime Brown vice say Montana who had Clark, Rice, Taylor, Jones, Craig (most prolific receiving RB of all time), and Rathmann, on a regular basis for years.

Imagine Brady with that lineup for a decade straight!

Even as it is, Brady's numbers have been comparable or better than Montana's, and when he finally got a comparable, yet even not as good, supporting cast, he shattered anything that Montana ever did in a season.
How about Big Ben? Did he win that superbowl that year all by himself or did he come in and do what he was supposed to do. Boy that sure sounds like Brady when he won his first couple of superbowls. He was on a great team with good defense and special teams.

[Ickybaluky]

How about Big Ben? Did he win that superbowl that year all by himself or did he come in and do what he was supposed to do. Boy that sure sounds like Brady when he won his first couple of superbowls. He was on a great team with good defense and special teams.

Joe Montana was 14/22 for 157 Yds and a TD in his first Super Bowl (1981). I suppose he was just a product of the system, huh? Of course, that is ridiculous, because we know Joe is an all-time great. Any player going to play better when surrounded by great players (as Brady did this year), and Joe is no different as his numbers improved dramatically when he was throwing to Jerry Rice and John Taylor.

That said, I agree he isn't yet among the best ever. He is only 30 years of age and a lot of his legacy has yet to be written.

Because of that, it isn't fair to compare him to a guy like Joe Montana, who played a full career. The more valid comparison would be comparing him to Montana at similar points in their careers.

Brady, at 30 years old:

14-3 playoff record, 3 Super Bowl wins

Joe Montana, at 30 years old:

7-2 playoff record, 2 Super Bowl wins

Most of Brady's legacy is yet to be written

[Owen DeBoard]

Joe Montana was 14/22 for 157 Yds and a TD in his first Super Bowl (1981). I suppose he was just a product of the system, huh? Of course, that is ridiculous, because we know Joe is an all-time great. Any player going to play better when surrounded by great players (as Brady did this year), and Joe is no different as his numbers improved dramatically when he was throwing to Jerry Rice and John Taylor.

That said, I agree he isn't yet among the best ever. He is only 30 years of age and a lot of his legacy has yet to be written.

Because of that, it isn't fair to compare him to a guy like Joe Montana, who played a full career. The more valid comparison would be comparing him to Montana at similar points in their careers.

Brady, at 30 years old:

14-3 playoff record, 3 Super Bowl wins

Joe Montana, at 30 years old:

7-2 playoff record, 2 Super Bowl wins

Most of Brady's legacy is yet to be written
We can argue on this night and day. The game of football was totally different from when Joe Montana played. The qbs werent a bunch of pussies like they are today. Tom Brady bein the biggest pussy of the bunch is always lookin for a flag when someone touches him. Bradys legacy is written with cheatin all over it.

[Owen DeBoard]

By the way Montana is 4-0 in the big game. Brady is 3-1 now. Actually the way to put it is the 49ers lead by Joe Montana are 4-0 in the big one and the Pats lead by Tom Brady are 3-1 in the big one considering that it is a team game not an individual one.

[im4bflo]

I repeat, Brady sucks nads.

[Mr. Cynical]

He is a very good QB but not elite. I've said that since Day 1 and nothing has changed since then to convince me otherwise. Without BB's gameplanning (and cheating), the $$$ and business savvy of the FO to bring in the right talent, he would not have had anywhere near the same success. Not to mention his inability to shake things off and lift a team to victory a la Montana, Elway or Marino.

For most of his career he's had days to throw behind that line. When he's had to hurry and under pressure, he doesn't match up to the aforementioned greats.

[Ickybaluky]

By the way Montana is 4-0 in the big game. Brady is 3-1 now. Actually the way to put it is the 49ers lead by Joe Montana are 4-0 in the big one and the Pats lead by Tom Brady are 3-1 in the big one considering that it is a team game not an individual one.

Montana was also lost the NFC Championship game twice and the AFC Championship game once (to the Bills). Were those not big games?

Let's examine the Super Bowl record of some other QBs:

John Elway: 2-3

Dan Marino: 0-1

Brett Favre: 1-1

I'm not sure why I bother, though. You can Mr. Cynical are going to refuse to give any credit to Brady because you don't like the team. Anyone who watches football with an once of sense knows Brady will make the HOF one day just on the basis of his first 7 years starting. It is hard to imagine he is going to do anything for the remainder of his prime that is going to change that. In fact, he may enhance his status.

What I can't understand is why some won't give a player his due because they don't like the team he plays for. You are going to find any angle which you can use to degrade the guy, and ignore all the evidence that he deserves his status in the game. You will sniff at his statistics, Super Bowl MVPs and record of clutch play. You will say he isn't the reason they won, but when you look at the talent he has played with prior to this season you find nary a Pro Bowl player. I guess they won all those games by accident.

I may be a Pats fan, but I can remember Jim Kelly as a HOF QB who was among the best players in the NFL when he played. I don't think of him as the guy who lost 4 Super Bowls.

[Mr. Pink]

By the way Montana is 4-0 in the big game. Brady is 3-1 now. Actually the way to put it is the 49ers lead by Joe Montana are 4-0 in the big one and the Pats lead by Tom Brady are 3-1 in the big one considering that it is a team game not an individual one.

Actually Montana is 3-0 in the Superbowl. You must have forgotten that Steve Young was the QB of one of the 49ers SB titles. The one where they trounced the Chargers.

[Mr. Pink]

He is a very good QB but not elite. I've said that since Day 1 and nothing has changed since then to convince me otherwise. Without BB's gameplanning (and cheating), the $$$ and business savvy of the FO to bring in the right talent, he would not have had anywhere near the same success. Not to mention his inability to shake things off and lift a team to victory a la Montana, Elway or Marino.

For most of his career he's had days to throw behind that line. When he's had to hurry and under pressure, he doesn't match up to the aforementioned greats.

Marino was hardly ever sacked and never won a Superbowl, to bring him into this discussion is laughable. When did Marino ever lift his team to anything?

Montana, in many opinions, is thought of as a system QB. And it's arguable that Steve Young was better than him. The same things many of you criticize Brady for is what Montana thrived on. Quick, precise passes and letting the RB (Craig) or WR (Rice and Taylor) do the work. What's the difference in Montana throwing a 10 yard slant to Rice or Brady throwing the same pass to Welker? Or the difference of Montana hitting Craig out of the backfield 60 times in a season, or Brady doing the same with Faulk? Lest you all forget that Montana was in the WCO which was and still is predicated on the short pass, ball control style.

To discredit Brady and what he's done is a huge disservice to him and the game of football. Considering discreditting him, also discredits Montana.

I do agree on Elway though, as I said earlier in the thread. Elway led the Broncos to 3 Superbowls with a very poor semblance of a running game.

[Mr. Cynical]

I guess they won all those games by accident.

Nobody said they won all those games by accident, unless by accident you mean by cheating. The more evidence that is released, the more the Pats "dynasty" status deteriorates.

That said, my hatred of the Pats begins and ends with Belicheat. He is a cheating, smug, sore loser who shows no respect to the rest of the league, e.g., leaving the field early in the SB, brushing off Manning after losing last year to the Colts, running up the score on Gibbs, etc. I have no respect for a man like that and hopefully he gets what he deserves.

As for Brady, I have no hatred of him either. My bone of contention is with the "experts" that label him the greatest/elite/etc. If your coach is cheating, you "might" just have an advantage when you follow a gameplan that was built with knowledge of the opposing team's plays.

Just my opinion, of course.

[Mr. Cynical]

Marino was hardly ever sacked and never won a Superbowl, to bring him into this discussion is laughable.

He was hardly ever sacked because he had the quickest release known to man. I stopped reading the rest of your post after saying it's laughable to bring him into the discussion.

[Mr. Pink]

He was hardly ever sacked because he had the quickest release known to man. I stopped reading the rest of your post after saying it's laughable to bring him into the discussion.

He was hardly sacked because Miami had a great o-line. Tell me since Marino is an all-time great who elevated the play of his team, how many Superbowls did he win? Oh yeah, zero. But you're right he sure elevated the play of his team.

That is until the made the playoffs and he folded like an accordion.

Great regular season QB, terrible playoff QB does not equal an all-time great.

[Goobylal]

Marino never had a running game and never had much of a defense. I hated him but I respected him and realized his TEAM wasn't built for anything but passing.

Brady I think is a good QB, but as I said, he made his reputation off-of the SB's, which I've always said were mostly aided by officiating help either IN the game or along the way. But now it's coming out that the Pats cheated by videotaping, with Matt Walsh playing the NFL's version of Brian McNamee. Since the Patriots have already been caught cheating twice, I have no doubts they taped their SB opponents' walk-throughs, which is against the rules. And with reports of the Giants having moved their walk-through to a secret location and the Patriots subsequently losing the game, it makes you say "hmmmm."

And contrary to the claims of some, videotaping DOES provide an unfair advantage, otherwise Belichick wouldn't done it in the first place, much less CONTINUED to do it after getting caught, knowing he risked censure. That taints the Patriots' SB wins and thus Brady's legacy, because HE benefitted from the videotaping, whether he knew about it or not.

[Ickybaluky]

He was hardly sacked because Miami had a great o-line. Tell me since Marino is an all-time great who elevated the play of his team, how many Superbowls did he win? Oh yeah, zero. But you're right he sure elevated the play of his team.

Either Marino had the quickest release or Joe Namath. He may have had a good OL, bu the got rid of the football so quick he was impossible to sack. He had throwing motion that allowed him to just flick his wrist and get the ball out in a hurry.

Marino is probably the best pure passer I've ever seen. He didn't really have a strong arm in the Elway/Bradshaw mold, but he could get the ball out and throw it with velocity on the intermediate routes as well as any I've seen.

That guy was undeniably great, I don't care if he never won a Super Bowl. You just had to watch him.

[Philagape]

Actually Montana is 3-0 in the Superbowl. You must have forgotten that Steve Young was the QB of one of the 49ers SB titles. The one where they trounced the Chargers.

That was the 49ers' fifth title. Under Montana they beat Cincy twice, Miami and Denver.

[Mr. Pink]

That was the 49ers' fifth title. Under Montana they beat Cincy twice, Miami and Denver.


Oh yeah, that's right, my bad.

Forgot the Denver one from the 89 season, mental brain fart.

[MikeInRoch]

Brady I think is a good QB, but as I said, he made his reputation off-of the SB's

Only his reputation among those people who don't pay attention. He has the highest career winning percentage of all time among QBs. And it's NOT EVEN CLOSE.

[Goobylal]

Only his reputation among those people who don't pay attention. He has the highest career winning percentage of all time among QBs. And it's NOT EVEN CLOSE.
Oh, the irony. Obviously you didn't "pay attention" when I said that the Patriots' reputation has been aided by cheating (by videotaping). Possibly even using additional frequencies, as per Doug Flutie.

[MikeInRoch]

The irony is that you didn't actually respond to what I said. Let me clarify. Your statement is this:


"He made his reputation off of the SB's".

My statement is that anyone who formed their opinion of Brady based only on the Super Bowls doesn't pay attention to the NFL. Brady is the winning-est QB in history by percentages.

My statement is NOT an assessment as to if his team cheated or not. Nor is it an assessment of the Patriots reputation. The cheating potentially damages his reputation for both the regular season AND the Super Bowls. But that doesn't mean that people who only think he's great because of the Super Bowls have a clue.

[Goobylal]

I meant that his reputation as "one of the best ever" was made off of the SB's. And you're correct, the high winning percentage elevates him. But they cheated.

[Owen DeBoard]

Actually Montana is 3-0 in the Superbowl. You must have forgotten that Steve Young was the QB of one of the 49ers SB titles. The one where they trounced the Chargers.
That was a nice try to correct me. I also didnt mention Terry Bradshaw was 4-0 in the superbowl also.

[im4bflo]

Brady and Marino suck nads!