You Be the Fan: How Far Would You Go to Support a Bills/TO Relationship?

[Meathead]

and please no argoing

[imbondz]

what's the point? will the Bills organization benefit dollar wise that much from a few games in Toronto?

one game is fine but that's it. anything more is dumb.

[gr8slayer]

I'm going to this years game and that's about it. Anymore and it would be stupid.

[Meathead]

i heard some toronto expert on the situation comment that the bills stand to make as much in one game in to as they make in four or five at the ralph

so yes its a huge financial benefit. given that i would expect to eventually have more and more games hosted in toronto

i sure hope they dont go farther than fitty fitty but given that i expect them to leave eventually i would be reasonably happy to even just have one game a year here. better than nuttin

[gr8slayer]

i heard some toronto expert on the situation comment that the bills stand to make as much in one game in to as they make in four or five at the ralph

so yes its a huge financial benefit. given that i would expect to eventually have more and more games hosted in toronto

i sure hope they dont go farther than fitty fitty but given that i expect them to leave eventually i would be reasonably happy to even just have one game a year here. better than nuttin
Which is why I don't know how the Bills stay in Buffalo much longer, there's simply no money to be had.

[Meathead]

youre right the bills cannot survive here long term considering the totally insane money just waiting to be thrown at them elsewhere

but you know its quite possible that having games in to will inflame the passions of the fans there to the point that their corporations start buying luxury boxes here and that would solve the whole problem. those boxes have been the thorn in the bills side and they make all the diff in the world

in fact you could argue that the more games they host in to the more likely those companies pay bigger and bigger bucks to get suites in both places. once the demand starts to shoot up the bills can jack the prices while keeping the regular season tix at the ralph relatively cheap. i would expect some increase there too but they would likely still remain in the bottom half of league prices

hell if it keeps the team here i would be thrilled to split the sched at double the ticket prices for games at the ralph. that would still be less than half what they are going to pay in to and we would get to go to multiple games a year here

better'n nuttin

[BlackMetalNinja]

i heard some toronto expert on the situation comment that the bills stand to make as much in one game in to as they make in four or five at the ralph

so yes its a huge financial benefit. given that i would expect to eventually have more and more games hosted in toronto

i sure hope they dont go farther than fitty fitty but given that i expect them to leave eventually i would be reasonably happy to even just have one game a year here. better than nuttin

That would make sense when you charge 5x the price...

[TacklingDummy]

Which is why I don't know how the Bills stay in Buffalo much longer, there's simply no money to be had.

Ralph should stop being so nice to the people of Buffalo and jack ticket prices up to at least the NFL average.

[THATHURMANATOR]

I am not fine with 1 game in TO but I understand the need for it and will support the team.

[imbondz]

I am not fine with 1 game in TO but I understand the need for it and will support the team.

exactly. really I am not fine with one game but i'll deal

[Meathead]

That would make sense when you charge 5x the price...
in fact he seemed to be hinting that it would be a lot more than that as he was commenting on how the big corporations there were falling over themselves to pay big bucks for the available suites which were not counted in the rough estimate

so its possible they will make nearly a seasons worth of money on those 1-2 games a year

how can you ignore that? you cant and it seems like it will be a bigger and bigger pull over time

if they want to keep games in bflo they are going to have to find a way to transfer some of that dough here. i think they will, like ive said with the luxury suites here skyrocketing. i also think they should raise ticket prices here as i think fans are seeing the light and would support that

[User Manuel]

I would support them if they kept the name bills and moved into Southern Erie, say St. Catharines or Hamilton.

If they moved into Toronto Proper or changed the name...hellooo Cleveland Browns

[THATHURMANATOR]

What the **** Bedard!!!!

[THATHURMANATOR]

I would support them if they kept the name bills and moved into Southern Erie, say St. Catharines or Hamilton.

If they moved into Toronto Proper or changed the name...hellooo Cleveland Browns
You mean southern Ontario?

Why would they move the team to St Catherines or Hamilton? Both cities are small. It makes no sense.

[Historian]

This will all go away after the loonie drops to .65 cents American again.

[The King]

What the **** Bedard!!!!

What am I gonna quit liking a team because they move? and just pick up a new team?

If they move they still have Marshawn, Poz, Trent and Peters. Id be disappointed if they moved it would certainly suck. But Im not jumping ship, Id stay a fan.

[THATHURMANATOR]

What am I gonna quit liking a team because they move? and just pick up a new team?

If they move they still have Marshawn, Poz, Trent and Peters. Id be disappointed if they moved it would certainly suck. But Im not jumping ship, Id stay a fan.
Yes. The Buffalo Bills would cease to exist. I couldn't support traitorous organization.

[hydro]

I could see fans that don't live in Buffalo not really care as much because no matter where they are, the team still isn't in their backyard. What difference would it make to MBB if he was to make it to a game that was in Toronto or Buffalo?

[The King]

Yes. The Buffalo Bills would cease to exist. I couldn't support traitorous organization.

Lets say they move and the ownership is committed to winning, there could be a plus side. Im not rooting for it, but moving the team would not be the end all for me.

[Jan Reimers]

If they retained the Buffalo Bills name, and played at least half their games at the Ralph, I'd be fine - as long as my season ticket package only included the games in OP.

Wouldn't go to the games in Toronto.

[DraftBoy]

Lets say they move and the ownership is committed to winning, there could be a plus side. Im not rooting for it, but moving the team would not be the end all for me.

I pretty much agree with this statement

[Meathead]

Why would they move the team to St Catherines or Hamilton?
thats close enough to toronto that they could still call them the toronto bills

and with a stadium in between both cities (bflo and to) you would draw people from both those places plus still get folks coming from roch and east and southern ont and west

id rather they put a new stadium in wheatfield near the falls as that would serve the same purpose plus it would be like five minutes to the stadium for me. if the wahoos get involved in ownership they could also put the stadium in the falls right next to the casino. in that neighborhood they could pay people twenty thousand bucks to bulldoze their shack houses and have plenty of room or put it at the old nabisco plant site

[Meathead]

Lets say they move and the ownership is committed to winning, there could be a plus side. Im not rooting for it, but moving the team would not be the end all for me.
i used to think that but now i realize that if there are no games here i would probably lose interest and not bother going to more than the occassional game every few years

when the jays first opened up in to i was a fan and went to a game or two a year plus watched them on the tube. but over time i kinda lost the connection, they didnt feel like my team any more and now they dont feel like anything to me

so im hoping they keep at a minimum one game here. i doubt that would be feasible considering theyd have to maintain the stadium, or figure out another site to host it here, so realistically its probably half a season or nothing

[THATHURMANATOR]

Lets say they move and the ownership is committed to winning, there could be a plus side. Im not rooting for it, but moving the team would not be the end all for me.
We would then be sworn NFL enemies. I would always be rooting for you team to lose harder than you do against the Pats.

[THATHURMANATOR]

i used to think that but now i realize that if there are no games here i would probably lose interest and not bother going to more than the occassional game every few years

when the jays first opened up in to i was a fan and went to a game or two a year plus watched them on the tube. but over time i kinda lost the connection, they didnt feel like my team any more and now they dont feel like anything to me

so im hoping they keep at a minimum one game here. i doubt that would be feasible considering theyd have to maintain the stadium, or figure out another site to host it here, so realistically its probably half a season or nothing
Why would they keep one game here? I couldn't see the game getting more than 10k if they did.(unless it was filled with Canadians)

I would go just to root against them.

[THATHURMANATOR]

thats close enough to toronto that they could still call them the toronto bills

and with a stadium in between both cities (bflo and to) you would draw people from both those places plus still get folks coming from roch and east and southern ont and west

id rather they put a new stadium in wheatfield near the falls as that would serve the same purpose plus it would be like five minutes to the stadium for me. if the wahoos get involved in ownership they could also put the stadium in the falls right next to the casino. in that neighborhood they could pay people twenty thousand bucks to bulldoze their shack houses and have plenty of room or put it at the old nabisco plant site
No thanks. They would still be dead to me.

[User Manuel]

You mean southern Ontario?

Why would they move the team to St Catherines or Hamilton? Both cities are small. It makes no sense.

I meant Ontario. An they are small until you look at the numbers Hamilton 695,000 in the metro area, st catharines 390,000 and the wealthy Toronto suburbs bring.

The idea being that they build a Super Stadium with all the amenities in that area to draw fans from both areas. Think of it, you pack up luxury boxes with corporations from TO and fans from Buffalo and the surrounding areas. You get the best of both worlds.

Look, a move to Toronto isn't about getting new or more fans, it is ALL about getting Torontos corporate dollars. Ralph probably couldn't get a better stadium deal anywhere, but he needs the luxury box dollars.

Maybe this is the solution that could at least be liveable for us.

[UltimateBillsFan]

Ralph should stop being so nice to the people of Buffalo and jack ticket prices up to at least the NFL average.
People already complain about the cost of tickets at the Bills game. To park in the stadium lot costs you $20 for a single game. Jack up the prices on tickets and you will see way more empty seats than there are now. Not many Western New Yorkers would be able to afford to go to Bills games. But the great thing about Bills fans is that they will fill the Ralph if we're 10-0 or 0-10. You won't find that in the larger market cities like New York or Philly. You usually find the best fans in the smaller market cities: Buffalo, Green Bay, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, etc.

[gr8slayer]

People already complain about the cost of tickets at the Bills game. To park in the stadium lot costs you $20 for a single game. Jack up the prices on tickets and you will see way more empty seats than there are now. Not many Western New Yorkers would be able to afford to go to Bills games. But the great thing about Bills fans is that they will fill the Ralph if we're 10-0 or 0-10. You won't find that in the larger market cities like New York or Philly. You usually find the best fans in the smaller market cities: Buffalo, Green Bay, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, etc.
Dallas sells out every game every year.

You just explained to people why the Bills are as good as gone, people want to get things cheap and you can't do that anymore.

[UltimateBillsFan]

Dallas sells out every game every year.

You just explained to people why the Bills are as good as gone, people want to get things cheap and you can't do that anymore.

Keep our prices as they are now is what I am saying. These prices aren't cheap at all. I'm sure you've gone to a game and know that it's not an inexpensive day at all. You say the solution is putting the Bills in Toronto. Why change where they are when we sell out every week in Buffalo. Keep them here and everybody is happy. Toronto has NHL,NBA,MLB,AHL,MLS,CFL teams in their city. Buffalo has an NHL team, a lacrosse team, a AAA baseball team, and the Bills. Yeah, that's exactly what Toronto needs another professional team!

[gr8slayer]

Keep our prices as they are now is what I am saying. These prices aren't cheap at all. I'm sure you've gone to a game and know that it's not an inexpensive day at all. You say the solution is putting the Bills in Toronto. Why change where they are when we sell out every week in Buffalo. Keep them here and everybody is happy. Toronto has NHL,NBA,MLB,AHL,MLS,CFL teams in their city. Buffalo has an NHL team, a lacrosse team, a AAA baseball team, and the Bills. Yeah, that's exactly what Toronto needs another professional team!
Buffalo cannot support an NFL team, they don't make enough money on ticket sales to satisfy the rest of the NFL and it's owners. Either bring the ticket prices to the NFL average to keep everyone happy or lose the team. If the locals don't want to pay it then they don't deserve a team. I know Thrum would pay the NFL average.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Buffalo cannot support an NFL team, they don't make enough money on ticket sales to satisfy the rest of the NFL and it's owners. Either bring the ticket prices to the NFL average to keep everyone happy or lose the team. If the locals don't want to pay it then they don't deserve a team. I know Thrum would pay the NFL average.
Our tickets are ridiculously cheap. I of course don't mind that but if it kept the team here I would easily pay more.

[gr8slayer]

Our tickets are ridiculously cheap. I of course don't mind that but if it kept the team here I would easily pay more.
I just don't understand some people. No one wants to lose the team but few want to actually pay up to do it. If the people in the area can't afford the NFL average then you just have to admit that you can't handle it and can't afford a team.

[THATHURMANATOR]

I just don't understand some people. No one wants to lose the team but few want to actually pay up to do it. If the people in the area can't afford the NFL average then you just have to admit that you can't handle it and can't afford a team.
I am with you on that. People freaked when they rose Parking to 25 bucks.

G8 what would the average endzone season ticket be?

[gr8slayer]

I am with you on that. People freaked when they rose Parking to 25 bucks.

G8 what would the average endzone season ticket be?
I pay $300 a game for my season tickets in Dallas and pay approx. $40 for parking and I sit in the nose bleed section.

[Mr. Pink]

What am I gonna quit liking a team because they move? and just pick up a new team?

If they move they still have Marshawn, Poz, Trent and Peters. Id be disappointed if they moved it would certainly suck. But Im not jumping ship, Id stay a fan.

I dunno man, I watched the Browns move to Baltimore, win a SB and thought it was the biggest flaming pile of dog **** ever.

You'd be ok with the team moving and with all the years of the team being here no titles in the NFL to all of a sudden a couple years elsewhere and hello championship?

That wouldn't leave a bitter taste in your mouth?

I still believe in **** Art Modell...and the Browns moved 12 years ago. I hope he dies a slow painful death.

[Buffatexas]

and here I am thinking before I opened this thread, that we were rumored to be a suitor for Terrell Owens...

But to answer the question, I would still be a fan if they went to Toronto, until we get our Cleveland Brown clause "guarantee" us an expansion team.

If we have to split games, I would say no more than half.

Then rename the team to The Niagara Frontier Bills (j/k)

[THATHURMANATOR]

I pay $300 a game for my season tickets in Dallas and pay approx. $40 for parking and I sit in the nose bleed section.
You are getting robbed man....
http://www.stubhub.com/dallas-cowboys-tickets/?event_id=535572

[gr8slayer]

You are getting robbed man....
http://www.stubhub.com/dallas-cowboys-tickets/?event_id=535572
Sorry, I should have specified that I have two tickets for every game.....

[THATHURMANATOR]

Sorry, I should have specified that I have two tickets for every game.....
Still getting ripped off by $750.

[gr8slayer]

Still getting ripped off by $750.
$150 per ticket? $300 total for each game? I like my tickets. I know people paying a lot more for a lot less.

[djjimkelly]

This will all go away after the loonie drops to .65 cents American again.


well well this shows how much u know about economics and finance.

canadians and canadian businesses actually like the $ to be where it used to be.

let me run through economics 101

weaker canadian $ means exports to US will be cheaper for american businesses and american consumers.

now you say i dont ever buy anything that says made in canada.

well think about al the hi-tech devices that major factories and manufacturing places use. most of that over last 20 years was made in canada becuz technology and skill levels in making hi tech parts in machinery not computers was better in canada.

so lol this high canadian $ only helps the average joe consumer it dont help businesses it actually hurts them.

i expect a 20% exchange rate to come back into affect soon enough


also do u think our $ being at 65 cents US or 1.10 US affects standard of living here get a grip.

the average canadian makes alot more money then average american that is fact the massive discrepency is when u start talking talking about people who make 1 million + and so on.

[gr8slayer]

well well this shows how much u know about economics and finance.

canadians and canadian businesses actually like the $ to be where it used to be.

let me run through economics 101

weaker canadian $ means exports to US will be cheaper for american businesses and american consumers.

now you say i dont ever buy anything that says made in canada.

well think about al the hi-tech devices that major factories and manufacturing places use. most of that over last 20 years was made in canada becuz technology and skill levels in making hi tech parts in machinery not computers was better in canada.

so lol this high canadian $ only helps the average joe consumer it dont help businesses it actually hurts them.

i expect a 20% exchange rate to come back into affect soon enough


also do u think our $ being at 65 cents US or 1.10 US affects standard of living here get a grip.
Canada isn't even a real country anyway.

[djjimkelly]

I meant Ontario. An they are small until you look at the numbers Hamilton 695,000 in the metro area, st catharines 390,000 and the wealthy Toronto suburbs bring.

The idea being that they build a Super Stadium with all the amenities in that area to draw fans from both areas. Think of it, you pack up luxury boxes with corporations from TO and fans from Buffalo and the surrounding areas. You get the best of both worlds.

Look, a move to Toronto isn't about getting new or more fans, it is ALL about getting Torontos corporate dollars. Ralph probably couldn't get a better stadium deal anywhere, but he needs the luxury box dollars.

Maybe this is the solution that could at least be liveable for us.



the city of toronto already has 2 locations picked and has saved that land for over 20 years. one is north of toronto near canadas wonderland one is near the airport near brampton.

[gr8slayer]

the city of toronto already has 2 locations picked and has saved that land for over 20 years. one is north of toronto near canadas wonderland one is near the airport near brampton.
What kind of :limp: **** is that? Micheal Jackson living there or something?

[THATHURMANATOR]

$150 per ticket? $300 total for each game? I like my tickets. I know people paying a lot more for a lot less.
No overall. You are paying 2400 to sit in the "nose bleeds" as you stated. The tickets listed on that Link would cost $1650 to sit in the 17th row.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Maybe this is the solution that could at least be liveable for us.
Absolutely not.

[gr8slayer]

No overall. You are paying 2400 to sit in the "nose bleeds" as you stated. The tickets listed on that Link would cost $1650 to sit in the 17th row.
Per package. If you want to sit anywhere near the fifty you won't get anything for less than $3000 per package on the lower level. I sit a level above the lower.

Wait till you see the prices for the new stadium.

[imbondz]

********* anywhere in CANADA.

NO.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Per package. If you want to sit anywhere near the fifty you won't get anything for less than $3000 per package.
I would rather be in the corner but closer than on the 50 in the upper deck. Again personal preference.

[THATHURMANATOR]

This whole issue shouldn't even be about F Canada or Buffalo. I love Canada and Toronto is a great place, but you don't mess with my Bills.

[TacklingDummy]

Keep our prices as they are now is what I am saying. These prices aren't cheap at all.

Compared to the rest of the NFL they are. Bills fans do not know how lucky they are.

[TacklingDummy]

I pay $300 a game for my season tickets in Dallas and pay approx. $40 for parking and I sit in the nose bleed section.
Wow ,expensive.

What's that compared to Bills tickets for the same section?

[THATHURMANATOR]

People already complain about the cost of tickets at the Bills game. To park in the stadium lot costs you $20 for a single game. Jack up the prices on tickets and you will see way more empty seats than there are now. Not many Western New Yorkers would be able to afford to go to Bills games. But the great thing about Bills fans is that they will fill the Ralph if we're 10-0 or 0-10. You won't find that in the larger market cities like New York or Philly. You usually find the best fans in the smaller market cities: Buffalo, Green Bay, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, etc.
Dude they will have to raise them to keep the team. Our tickets are ridiculously cheap currently. I have seasons for 400 bucks. That is crazy.

[TacklingDummy]

I have seasons for 400 bucks. That is crazy.

Wow, that is cheap. Good seats?

Would you be willing to day $650/$700 for the same seats? It's only $31/$37 more per game.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Endzone on the tunnel.

I would pay that much yes.