All time great bills

[Mitchell55]

QB- Jim Kelly, Kemp(not sure, just here alot of him so he might of been good), Flutie/ anyone else?
RB- Thomas, OJ, soon to be Lynch
FB- Gash, Centers, Muellar
WR- Reed, Chandler, Lofton, Moulds,
TE- Mets, Reimersma,
OL- Bills 90s and Peters and Doc
DE- Bruce, Wiley, Schoebel
DT- Adams, Williams,
LB- Bennett, Talley, Fletcher
CB- Clements, Winfield, Odams
S- Whitner, Smith, Kelso
K- Christie, Lindell
P- Moorman, Mohr
LS- (the LS for us before Niel, Scmeck or something)

I dont know anyone before the 90s besides from OJ, Chandler, Kemp, and Bubba(dont know were he would go).

[BADTHINGSMAN]

CB- Butch Byrd, Thomas Smith

[BlackMetalNinja]

Considering Flutie as an all time great around here probably won't get you very far... In fact, I'd say about half your list never did any where near enough to be considered an "all time" great.

[Mitchell55]

Considering Flutie as an all time great around here probably won't get you very far... In fact, I'd say about half your list never did any where near enough to be considered an "all time" great.




I dont know any one before 90s besides from what I said at the end.

[kgun12]

I would agree with BMN very much that the Mullet aka Flutie doesn't warrant the right to smell Kelly's joc let alone be put in the All time greats list!

At the safety position, I would put Tony Greene there!

[Johnny Bugmenot]

Well, they did list Flutie as 3rd-string on that list, FWIW. Personally, I think Ferguson belongs on that list higher than Flutie.

And you rank Marcellus Wiley over Phil Hansen?

I understand your knowledge of teams past is fairly weak, but...
Larry "Catch 100 passes 5 yards behind the line" Centers over Cookie Gilchrist?
How about Mike Stratton as a backup LB?
Derrick Dockery over Joe Delamielleure?

I've got to question some of your choices here.

But I will add these:

Some special teams choices:
KR/PR - Parrish, McGee
ST - Tasker

[Night Train]

I take it you were BORN in the 1990's.

LOL at Flutie

[im4bflo]

the '64, '65 AFL CHAMPION teams.

[Buffatexas]

WR - Jerry Butler, Frank Lewis

[Jan Reimers]

You forgot, at least, Elbert Dubenion (WR), Cookie Gilchrist (RB), Mike Stratton (LB), Tom Sestak, Jim Dunaway and Ron McDole (DL), Billy Shaw, Jim Ritcher, Joe D. and Al Bemiller (O line), George Saimes (S), and probably Joe Ferguson (QB) and Shane Conlan (LB).

That's from memory. There are others if I were to look them up.

[Mitchell55]

You forgot, at least, Elbert Dubenion (WR), Cookie Gilchrist (RB), Mike Stratton (LB), Tom Sestak, Jim Dunaway and Ron McDole (DL), Billy Shaw, Jim Ritcher, Joe D. and Al Bemiller (O line), George Saimes (S), and probably Joe Ferguson (QB) and Shane Conlan (LB).

That's from memory. There are others if I were to look them up.


I said the 90s OL. Also I forgot about cookie. And Conlan was a bust.

[im4bflo]

I said the 90s OL. Also I forgot about cookie. And Conlan was a bust.

When you're talking OL, don't forget the Electric Company!

[chernobylwraiths]

QB- Jim Kelly, Kemp(not sure, just here alot of him so he might of been good), Flutie/ anyone else?
NOT Flutie I liked Ferguson but he is not an all time great either.
RB- Thomas, OJ, soon to be Lynch
Gilchrist, Thomas OJ
FB- Gash, Centers, Muellar
Braxton and Gash only
WR- Reed, Chandler, Lofton, Moulds,
Reed, Dubinion, Butler, Moulds
TE- Mets, Reimersma,
Metzellars and maybe Seymour as a blocker
OL- Bills 90s and Peters and Doc
Wolford, Hull, Ritcher, Shaw (HOF hello?!) don't know this very well
DE- Bruce, Wiley, Schoebel
Bruce, Hansen, McDole?, Ben Williams?
DT- Adams, Williams,
Smerlas, Ted Washington
LB- Bennett, Talley, Fletcher
Mike Stratton, Talley, Haslett, Spikes
CB- Clements, Winfield, Odams
Byrd, Romes, Clements, Odoms
S- Whitner, Smith, Kelso
Freeman, Jones, Greene
K- Christie, Lindell
Christie, Gogolak
P- Moorman, Mohr
Maguire, Kidd, Moorman
LS- (the LS for us before Niel, Scmeck or something)
Lingner

I dont know anyone before the 90s besides from OJ, Chandler, Kemp, and Bubba(dont know were he would go).

[chernobylwraiths]

When you're talking OL, don't forget the Electric Company!

Damn, you're right, I forgot McKensie and HOF Delomelour or however the hell you spell it.

[Mitchell55]

Thats good besides from the RB, WR, DE, DT, LB, and P. There is no way Gildrest tops OJ and Thomas. Chandler needs to be on the list of WR (he is statistically 2nd in alot of bills catagories). Hanson was a DT. Williams tops Washington. Bennett not on the list of LBs and Talley is above him. LOL. Bennett will be in the running for HOF. Talley wont. And Moorman should be in top 2 of punters.

[chernobylwraiths]

Thats good besides from the RB, WR, DE, DT, LB, and P. There is no way Gildrest tops OJ and Thomas. Chandler needs to be on the list of WR (he is statistically 2nd in alot of bills catagories). Hanson was a DT. Williams tops Washington. Bennett not on the list of LBs and Talley is above him. LOL. Bennett will be in the running for HOF. Talley wont. And Moorman should be in top 2 of punters.

I never said Gilchrist topped OJ or Thomas, but he WAS great. Chandler MIGHT make the list, but there are many who deserve to be on that list. Now you make yourself look silly with the rest. Hanson was a DE and played DT only in some situations. Williams tops Washington? :rofl: Bennett had some stats and had the name but Talley was the heart of that team. I didn't list them in order, just listed them as I remembered them. And I missed a lot. Like I meant James and not Jones for safety.

[Jan Reimers]

Thats good besides from the RB, WR, DE, DT, LB, and P. There is no way Gildrest tops OJ and Thomas. Chandler needs to be on the list of WR (he is statistically 2nd in alot of bills catagories). Hanson was a DT. Williams tops Washington. Bennett not on the list of LBs and Talley is above him. LOL. Bennett will be in the running for HOF. Talley wont. And Moorman should be in top 2 of punters.
Just a couple of things:

Phil Hansen was a DE. Played opposite Bruce.
Shane Conlan, regardless of whether or not he was an all-time Bill, was most definitely NOT a bust.
Talley has been on the preliminary HOF list. He may never make it, but he had more heart than any Bill, ever.
Tom Sestak is the Bills' best DT ever, ahead of Williams, Washington and Smerlas.

[Johnny Bugmenot]

I never said Gilchrist topped OJ or Thomas, but he WAS great. Chandler MIGHT make the list, but there are many who deserve to be on that list. Now you make yourself look silly with the rest. Hanson was a DE and played DT only in some situations. Williams tops Washington? Bennett had some stats and had the name but Talley was the heart of that team. I didn't list them in order, just listed them as I remembered them. And I missed a lot. Like I meant James and not Jones for safety.

The other thing to remember is that Gilchrist was a fullback, not a halfback like Thomas or Simpson, which made his success even more impressive.

[chernobylwraiths]

I tend to think of them as running back and blocking back. Gilchrist was probably labeled a full back because of his size, but he was that "ahead of his time" kind of player with speed and power. He could have been an all time great if he remained healthy.

He must have been bigger than just about anybody else on the field. 6'-3" 251 lbs.

[OpIv37]

QB- Jim Kelly, Kemp(not sure, just here alot of him so he might of been good), Flutie/ anyone else?
RB- Thomas, OJ, soon to be Lynch
FB- Gash, Centers, Muellar
WR- Reed, Chandler, Lofton, Moulds,
TE- Mets, Reimersma,
OL- Bills 90s and Peters and Doc
DE- Bruce, Wiley, Schoebel
DT- Adams, Williams,
LB- Bennett, Talley, Fletcher
CB- Clements, Winfield, Odams
S- Whitner, Smith, Kelso
K- Christie, Lindell
P- Moorman, Mohr
LS- (the LS for us before Niel, Scmeck or something)

I dont know anyone before the 90s besides from OJ, Chandler, Kemp, and Bubba(dont know were he would go).

Whitner absolutely does NOT belong on that list. He's done nothing for us yet.
And didn't we go over the Bruce/Schobel thing yesterday? Schobel doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Bruce- if you ask me, Bruce is the only DE we've ever had worthy of being an "all time great".

I'd add Spikes at LB- he was dominant his first two seasons here.

[njsue]

Bryce Paup

[Johnny Bugmenot]

I tend to think of them as running back and blocking back. Gilchrist was probably labeled a full back because of his size, but he was that "ahead of his time" kind of player with speed and power. He could have been an all time great if he remained healthy.

He must have been bigger than just about anybody else on the field. 6'-3" 251 lbs.

Indeed. He was the prototype for the Jerome Bettis and Brandon Jacobs types that came much later. He was, indeed, an incredible talent.

It's a shame he hasn't been considered for the Hall, but I guess the HOF doesn't like to consider CFL careers and tends to be relatively skiddish on those who only played in the AFL.

[im4bflo]

How many of you younger Bills fans remember, and can name the 3 players that made up the BERMUDA TRIANGLE???

[im4bflo]

Damn, you're right, I forgot McKensie and HOF Delomelour or however the hell you spell it.

the ELECTRIC COMPANY

TE- SEYMOUR, LT- FOLEY, LG- McKENZIE, RG- DeLamielleure, RT- GREEN
first 8 games C- JARVIS and MONTLER the rest.

[LtFinFan66]

Mentioning Lynch in the same breath as OJ and Thurman is WAY premature

[Historian]

Best Cornerback: Robert James
Best Kickoff Returner: Wallace Francis
Best O Lineman Ever: Joe Devlin

[Johnny Bugmenot]

Mentioning Lynch in the same breath as OJ and Thurman is WAY premature

It's like mentioning John Avery in the same sentence as Larry Csonka.

[chernobylwraiths]

How many of you younger Bills fans remember, and can name the 3 players that made up the BERMUDA TRIANGLE???

I guess I wouldn't be considered younger (maybe to you :D) but I picked two of them on my list. I didn't think Shane played long enough and great enough to make the list.

[bocephuz]

QB- Jim Kelly, Kemp(not sure, just here alot of him so he might of been good), Flutie/ anyone else?
RB- Thomas, OJ, soon to be Lynch
FB- Gash, Centers, Muellar
WR- Reed, Chandler, Lofton, Moulds,
TE- Mets, Reimersma,
OL- Bills 90s and Peters and Doc
DE- Bruce, Wiley, Schoebel
DT- Adams, Williams,
LB- Bennett, Talley, Fletcher
CB- Clements, Winfield, Odams
S- Whitner, Smith, Kelso
K- Christie, Lindell
P- Moorman, Mohr
LS- (the LS for us before Niel, Scmeck or something)

I dont know anyone before the 90s besides from OJ, Chandler, Kemp, and Bubba(dont know were he would go).

I'm not as familiar with players from the 60's but here's my list

QB: Kelly, Kemp, Ferguson
RB- Thomas, Simpson,Henry
FB- Gilchrist, Gash
WR- Reed, Chandler,Dubenion,Moulds
TE- Metzelars,Riemersma
OL- Joe Delameillure, Reggie McKenzie, Kent Hull, Will Wolford, Jim Ritcher

DE- B. Smith, Phil Hansen,
DT- P.Williams, Jeff Wright
LB- Bennett, Talley, Fletcher
CB- Clements, Winfield, Odomes
S- Smith, Kelso
K- Christie, Lindell
P- Moorman, Mohr
ST: Tasker, M. Pike,McGee, Parrish

[sdbillsfan2]

You forgot, at least, Elbert Dubenion (WR), Cookie Gilchrist (RB), Mike Stratton (LB), Tom Sestak, Jim Dunaway and Ron McDole (DL), Billy Shaw, Jim Ritcher, Joe D. and Al Bemiller (O line), George Saimes (S), and probably Joe Ferguson (QB) and Shane Conlan (LB).

That's from memory. There are others if I were to look them up.


Great memory Jan... Don't forget that the "mad bomber" was once a Bill .
LaMonica was a favorite of mine as a kid! Marlon Briscoe ring any bells?

[Jan Reimers]

I'm not as familiar with players from the 60's but here's my list

QB: Kelly, Kemp, Ferguson
RB- Thomas, Simpson,Henry
FB- Gilchrist, Gash
WR- Reed, Chandler,Dubenion,Moulds
TE- Metzelars,Riemersma
OL- Joe Delameillure, Reggie McKenzie, Kent Hull, Will Wolford, Jim Ritcher

DE- B. Smith, Phil Hansen,
DT- P.Williams, Jeff Wright
LB- Bennett, Talley, Fletcher
CB- Clements, Winfield, Odomes
S- Smith, Kelso
K- Christie, Lindell
P- Moorman, Mohr
ST: Tasker, M. Pike,McGee, Parrish
I'd replace McKenzie with Billy Shaw (a Hall of Famer); Wright with Tom Sestak, who was a great DT; Fletcher with Mike Stratton; Winfield with Robert James; and Kelso-Smith with George Saimes and Steve Freeman.

I'd probably also move Gilchrist to RB in place of Henry, and Jim Braxton to FB. Maybe Keith McKellar to TE in place of Riemersma, as well.

You could argue Gogolak over Lindell and Smerlas over Williams, too, but these things are so subjective, and I like most of your list.

[tat2dmike77]

Doug Flutie :lmao:

How about Jack Kemp you forgot Golden Wheels dubenion *sp*

[Mitchell55]

This wasnt supposed to be a critizising post. It was supposed to be a post your all time great post. Sorry for not making it clear :oops:

[OpIv37]

This wasnt supposed to be a critizising post. It was supposed to be a post your all time great post. Sorry for not making it clear :oops:

this is a message board for discussion. If you post something, people will post their opinions of it. And rightfully so, because if no one ever offered up a different opinion, there would be nothing to discuss. So learn to deal with it.

[im4bflo]

this is a message board for discussion. If you post something, people will post their opinions of it. And rightfully so, because if no one ever offered up a different opinion, there would be nothing to discuss. So learn to deal with it.

From this post. my opinion of you is, you are a jerk :snicker2:

[OpIv37]

From this post. my opinion of you is, you are a jerk :snicker2:

Only from this post? Funny- I figured you'd think I was a jerk from the previous 34,000+ posts.

[im4bflo]

Only from this post? Funny- I figured you'd think I was a jerk from the previous 34,000+ posts.

you are! (jk)