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  • Meathead
    Insufferable ***** and perpetual crybaby
    • Jul 2002
    • 21349

    Sabres are cheap? Don't want to win?

    Commentary: Sabres to Miller: We won't pay — or win

    Kevin Oklobjiza
    Rochester D&C
    Feb. 27

    In once again failing miserably to sign a key player, the Sabres confirmed what every one of their players already knew too well: Winning is not the ultimate objective.

    Because they couldn't sign Campbell, they were forced to trade their All-Star defenseman.

    The Tampa Bay Lightning faced a similar situation and they got a deal done with defenseman Dan Boyle ($40 million for six years).

    The Sabres chose to remain true to their budget. They know the franchise's future depends on smart fiscal management. Fans will only spend so much on tickets and corporate money is limited.

    So in reality the Sabres sent another message: That fan loyalty doesn't matter.

    Thanks for buying those season tickets for a team that doesn't exist anymore. Yeah, we sold them to you when Campbell, Drury and Briere were winning the Presidents Trophy and staring down the Stanley Cup.



    ok PLEASE somebody answer me this:

    if buffalo met soups demands and gave him the 5.75 over six years what does the team do about all the other players coming up for free agency

    everybody wants to say the club is cheap but the cold hard reality is that they simply cannot pay everybody. miller is going to command another big chunk of the cap this offseason. then you have goose and pie-yay and macarthur coming up after that. and on their heels are pommer and stafford. sissy is playing great and you gotta keep him around after his contract runs out next year

    id have loved to keep brian but if they did they would have had to make some tough choices elsewhere to make up for it. and lets be honest, he is just not worth the franchise money he wanted and will get elsewhere. really good but not break the bank good. thats just reality

    just look around and see how other teams are strapped now because they paid too much for guys who were at their peak a few years ago. toronto is probably going to suck for three or four more years specifically because of that. meanwhile the sabres should remain competitive for the playoffs year after year and with a bit of luck could be serious contenders any given year

    its tough to be objective this time of year but thats really the only way you can look at it. the sabres are finally being smart about their free agents. as tough as it is to see somebody like soup (and jp and clutch and danny and ...) have to go at least they are stopping the bleeding by getting value in return this time. they deserve criticism for not accepting brians offer of five for five but nothing they could do about that now except make the best of it. at least they did that and got something pretty good in return

    now just DONT ***KING WAIT TO SIGN MILLER. get a deal done this summer cuz you know damn well its gonna cost you more if you wait. and please try to be more proactive about other young stars in the making. easier said than done of course

    so if youre gonna sit there and say the sabres are cheap and dont want to win youre gonna have to back up those words with some facts. lets hear em
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  • Bill Brasky
    Drives an ice cream truck covered in human skulls
    • Jan 2004
    • 66218

    #2
    Re: Sabres are cheap? Don't want to win?

    if you're ryan miller, after seeing all these guys leave, do you really want to stay? i wouldn't.

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    • Dude
      that slimey ass of an ***** at the zone
      • Feb 2005
      • 18176

      #3
      Re: Sabres are cheap? Don't want to win?

      Agreed. Why would you commit to a team whose ownership doesn't want to win?

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      • THATHURMANATOR
        Registered User
        • Jul 2002
        • 69112

        #4
        Re: Sabres are cheap? Don't want to win?

        Originally posted by jfreeman
        if you're ryan miller, after seeing all these guys leave, do you really want to stay? i wouldn't.
        Or you could look at it the other way. If we had signed all of those guys we wouldn't have any money to pay Miller. Guys we must remember we are a small market.

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        • THATHURMANATOR
          Registered User
          • Jul 2002
          • 69112

          #5
          Re: Sabres are cheap? Don't want to win?

          To say the ownership doesnt want to win is just insane. They can't spend past their means. Even the last 2 years with deep playoff runs they made modest profits. Do we expect Galisano to just lose money because he is rich?

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          • hydro
            Registered User
            • Oct 2005
            • 20160

            #6
            Re: Sabres are cheap? Don't want to win?

            Originally posted by THATHURMANATOR
            Or you could look at it the other way. If we had signed all of those guys we wouldn't have any money to pay Miller. Guys we must remember we are a small market.
            Exactly. I can now see them being able to re-sign Miller whereas if we had signed Campbell I don't know if that would have been possible.
            BERNIAC!

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            • Dr. Lecter
              Zero for Zero!
              • Mar 2003
              • 67946

              #7
              Re: Sabres are cheap? Don't want to win?

              While I agree they messed up last year, they have signed some players (Vanek - yes I know, Hecht and Roy) long term.

              Are they the right guys? Were they pro-active enough?

              Those are legit questions. But they are not running every player out of town.

              After the lockout they had a very talent laden roster that has players in high demand. They can't keep it all together.

              They need to pick and choose who to keep for the long term.

              One would hope they try to get Miller long term. And then decide who amongst Pominvill, Goose, Paille, MacArthur, Sissy, Tallinder, Bernier, etc. is next.
              Originally posted by mysticsoto
              Lecter is right in everything he said.

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              • hydro
                Registered User
                • Oct 2005
                • 20160

                #8
                Re: Sabres are cheap? Don't want to win?

                Originally posted by THATHURMANATOR
                To say the ownership doesnt want to win is just insane. They can't spend past their means. Even the last 2 years with deep playoff runs they made modest profits. Do we expect Galisano to just lose money because he is rich?
                I heard him on a interview with Schop and the Bulldog saying how they are doing what they can with what they have. He is in this as a business not just for the fun of it.
                BERNIAC!

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                • THATHURMANATOR
                  Registered User
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 69112

                  #9
                  Re: Sabres are cheap? Don't want to win?

                  Originally posted by hydrosmak
                  Exactly. I can now see them being able to re-sign Miller whereas if we had signed Campbell I don't know if that would have been possible.
                  We can't get attached to players in this day and age especially in a small market. Even paying Campbell 5 mil a year for 5 is too much if you ask me.

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                  • THATHURMANATOR
                    Registered User
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 69112

                    #10
                    Re: Sabres are cheap? Don't want to win?

                    Originally posted by Dr.Lecter

                    They need to pick and choose who to keep for the long term.

                    One would hope they try to get Miller long term. And then decide who amongst Pominville, Goose, Paille, MacArthur, Sissy, Tallinder, Bernier, etc. is next.
                    EXACTLY

                    Out of this group they need to keep Pommer, Paille, Tallinder for sure. I really can't see Goose, Bernier or MacArther really demanding all that much either so we should be fine.

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                    • MikeInRoch
                      Registered User
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 10446

                      #11
                      Re: Sabres are cheap? Don't want to win?

                      So how close to the cap were we this year? I was under the impression that we were pretty close. Which means there's not a lot more spending we COULD do.
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                      • Dude
                        that slimey ass of an ***** at the zone
                        • Feb 2005
                        • 18176

                        #12
                        Re: Sabres are cheap? Don't want to win?

                        Originally posted by Dr.Lecter
                        One would hope they try to get Miller long term.
                        If by "try" you mean do what the did with the other recently departed quality Sabres, you can probably start counting down the days until Miller's departure.

                        BFD that they have the flexibility to sign Miller by letting other key players walk. What, given this FO's recent history, leads any of you to believe that they won't either make a half-assed attempt, or will decide that he doesn't fit the budget and will let him go too? You think Miller's going to come cheap? No way. And no way does Golisano give him what the market will dictate.

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                        • THATHURMANATOR
                          Registered User
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 69112

                          #13
                          Re: Sabres are cheap? Don't want to win?

                          Dude Honestly I wouldn't be crushed if we did let Miller walk. IMO he is a good but not great goalie in the same class as Biron. I can't see him at 28 years old suddenly ascending into the upper echelon of goalies. That being said he is a winner and big presence on the team.

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                          • Dude
                            that slimey ass of an ***** at the zone
                            • Feb 2005
                            • 18176

                            #14
                            Re: Sabres are cheap? Don't want to win?

                            Maybe so, but at some point letting all your stars walk takes a toll on the psyche of the rest of the team. The attitude and desire to win starts at the top. If they won't keep their stars, why would any FAs want to sign here? It's a downward spiral that takes years to overcome.

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                            • THATHURMANATOR
                              Registered User
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 69112

                              #15
                              Re: Sabres are cheap? Don't want to win?

                              Originally posted by Dude
                              Maybe so, but at some point letting all your stars walk takes a toll on the psyche of the rest of the team. The attitude and desire to win starts at the top. If they won't keep their stars, why would any FAs want to sign here? It's a downward spiral that takes years to overcome.
                              They are men and professionals. We can't be worried about their feelings. This isn't Oprah. If they can't handle it get rid of them.

                              As to why would any FA's want to sign here. Again as simple as it can be. We target a guy and offer him more money. This is the main reason any player signs anywhere. Not to mention a great hockey loving fan base.

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