The All Inclusive Marcus Stroud Thread *pre-signing

[Michael82]

I don't have any links, it was just something on a Jacksonville Jaguars message board. But they said they saw it on their local news station. I will keep looking for a link and see if i find this somewhere else. I wonder what we are offering.... :scratch:

http://mb.jaguars.com/Topic486788-6-4.aspx


Prisco has been talking about this since Stroud was put on the IR. There's something to the notion that the team pushed to get him back, and possibly even endorsed using the supplements to help his recovery, then turned their back on him when he got caught.

Prisco has said a few times that the truth will come out when Marcus is no longer a Jaguar. From the sounds of it, Buffalo is ready to make a deal to trade for him. At least that's what FCN is reporting this evening.

for the record, FCN is http://www.firstcoastnews.com/

[Lexwhat]

I just doo-dooed in my pants.

Oh wait, we haven't signed him yet ... Oops.

[SquishDaFish]

:drool:

[BADTHINGSMAN]

Would be nice..

[patmoran2006]

Give him to us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I will role the dice.. You want an impact DT, you HAVE TO ROLL THE DICE. A lot of these stud DT's seem to have issues (Rogers, Stompsworth, etc)

I want a playoff team.. He is a straight-up RUN STUFFER and will make Schobel, Poz, Crowell much better around him.

[Jeff1220]

What would it take to get him? A 2nd?

[Michael82]

If they want a 2nd rounder, I would do it in a heart beat. If not, they can have our 1st 3rd rounder and a later pick. :up:

[Nighthawk]

Oh my God...please let this be true!

[Philagape]

It would mean Dick finally has a sac

[patmoran2006]

Dude, you're looking at a whole new front seven that could do damage with STroud and a growing McCargo next to him.

[clumping platelets]

Better yet, our late 3rd and a pick next year :D


This deal makes so much sense because the Bills already know what his contract is for the next 3 yrs

:pray:

[hammerbillsfan]

:pray:

[Nighthawk]

Better yet, our late 3rd and a pick next year :D


This deal makes so much sense because the Bills already know what his contract is for the next 3 yrs

:pray:

That's the problem...it makes TOO much sense...probably won't happen! However, if it did...I would be thrilled. Hopefully it is for a 3rd.

[Michael82]

WOW! This gets even more interesting....apparently he was here today. :shocked:


I am one hour north of J-Ville, so at 5:30 pm AM 930 is a bit scratchy, but I was able to hear Prisco imply today on his show that Marcus Stroud wants out of Jacksonville because of the way his suspension went down with the team last season. Prisco claims inside information and hopes that Marcus will let it out at some point. He says injuries are an issue with Marcus, but that he can still play.

Anyone have any idea what he is talking about? Stroud was a regular on his show. He claimed Marcus was in Buffalo today.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=119#s=119&f=1835&t=2109705&p=2

[Michael82]

JagHombre22 wrote: could he have been in Buffalo for a physical?

Prisco implied he was there for more than the wings. Prisco also implied there was a lot more to this story than his injured ankle. I guess we will just have to wait and see.

Was I the only person that heard all of this on the radio?

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=119#s=119&f=1835&t=2109705&p=2

[BADTHINGSMAN]

:pray:

[Michael82]

Here's a link for that radio station.....

http://www.930wfxj.com/main.html

:pray:

[SquishDaFish]

Mikey STOP man your giving me a damn BONER :drool:

[patmoran2006]

Holy ****...


( I would like to note his agent is Rosenass)

[Michael82]

Mikey STOP man your giving me a damn BONER :drool:
:rofl: I'm getting excited too. :drool:

[Bone]

If he is signed I will blow a load. jk

[ZacGriffi~82]

Hope his legs can hold up.

[patmoran2006]

Lets put it this way..

Given DT has been a big need since.. Pat Williams left.

IF we get him and anyone on here *****es about it, you are TRULY NOT a ****ing Bills fan!

[Michael82]

Here's his salary info for the next 3 years according to the NFLPA site....

<TABLE class=tableDisplay width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD class=tabledata>2008</TD><TD class=tabledata align=right>5000000.00</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tabledata>2009</TD><TD class=tabledata align=right>5500000.00</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tabledata>2010</TD><TD class=tabledata align=right>6000000.00</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[Jeff1220]

Dude, you're looking at a whole new front seven that could do damage with STroud and a growing McCargo next to him.

Add Briggs to that scenario and :drool:

I can dream :dream:

[Dr. Lecter]

Lets put it this way..

Given DT has been a big need since.. Pat Williams left.

IF we get him and anyone on here *****es about it, you are TRULY NOT a ****ing Bills fan!

Even you would have to be nice for an entire week!!! :D

[SquishDaFish]

Imagine if we get him and Briggs LOL. I could wish

[SquishDaFish]

Dammit Jeff you read my mind

[SquishDaFish]

I also would love Jeff Faine to upgrade our ****ty Center position or even Flynn from Balt

[BADTHINGSMAN]

Imagine if we get him and Briggs LOL. I could wish
:drool:

[patmoran2006]

Briggs is impossible.

But that's ok.

YOu trade for STroud and you get one of those strong #2 WR's and its a sucessful offseason the first day of flippin MARCH.

[patmoran2006]

Im going to watch all the local sports stations and see if there is any mention.

[Michael82]

Oh and it appears that more people heard it....


Pete Prisco just said that Buffalo may be the destination for Marcus Stroud.


Knowing James Harris, he might be targetting JP Losman. I know Buffalo is looking rid of him, now that Trent Edwards is apparently their QB of present/ future.

http://mb.jaguars.com/Topic486788-6-2.aspx

[SpillerThrills]

JP straight up for Stroud????

[Philagape]

Lets put it this way..

Given DT has been a big need since.. Pat Williams left.

IF we get him and anyone on here *****es about it, you are TRULY NOT a ****ing Bills fan!

I would applaud the ballsyness of it, but it would still be prudent to point out the risks. But this team has to take risks, that's why I want Hackett.

[Philagape]

JP straight up for Stroud????

Now that would be the ideal way to go. Trading a risk for a risk is fair.

[Jeff1220]

A starting DT for a back up QB? There would likely be more to it. If DG wasn't there, JP straight up would make sense, but they just don't have a need for a starting QB.

[SpillerThrills]

ok so throw in like a 6th rounder lol

[Michael82]

BTW, there is a listen live link on that radio site. So we can listen tomorrow if he isn't moved yet. :D

http://www.930wfxj.com/main.html

[The Jokeman]

I hate to say it but I call bull***** as there's no stories on any website to backup these stories. If a news station is going to report this you can bet they'd put it on their website and the AP would pick up on it.

[bigbub2352]

my god if this is true and we give up a 2 or 3 for him, this is a huge addition one who is signed already. u draft a dt on day one it is the same risk, this guy is proven and in his prime and a beast

[SquishDaFish]

Joke that is why its called a RUMOR

[Al the Bills Fan]

Dear 8 pound 6 ounce baby Jesus, not even spoke a word yet. Please let this be true!

[SquishDaFish]

:roflmao: Good one Bills in 07

[Philagape]

I hate to say it but I call bull***** as there's no stories on any website to backup these stories. If a news station is going to report this you can bet they'd put it on their website and the AP would pick up on it.

AP doesn't tend to run rumors from local media, especially a single source.

[Michael82]

I hate to say it but I call bull***** as there's no stories on any website to backup these stories. If a news station is going to report this you can bet they'd put it on their website and the AP would pick up on it.
just for the record...last year we had both Langston Walker and Derrick Dockery in Buffalo on the 1st day and signed them and we didn't even know they were coming. They were even here the night before. Buffalo is very good at keeping these things quiet.

[Tatonka]

is there any way we could maybe get stroud and rogers? :couch:

[Al the Bills Fan]

:roflmao: Good one Bills in 07

Shake n Bake


O yea, THAT JUST HAPPENED!

[Bone]

We give them 1 of our 3rd rounders for Marcus Stroud.

[patmoran2006]

Im happy with McCargo. IF he gets to play next to a space eater like STroud.

[BADTHINGSMAN]

Shake n Bake


O yea, THAT JUST HAPPENED!

:rofl:

[Mr. Miyagi]

Dude the guy is 6'6" 310lb at 29 years old. The size is great, skills are proven, and still not old. The substance violation thing is very worrisome, but if he keeps his nose clean long enough for a run, he could really shore up our D.

All or nothing now. Game time baby.

[patmoran2006]

If we trade for Stroud and sign Porter like we're hearing, I will take my hat off to Wilson no matter what else we do this offsseason.

It will show we're at least putting forth our BEST effort to contend.

[raphael120]

Only thing i've heard is this:

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080228/SPORTS01/80228057

Shaun Rogers for Stroud.

[Michael82]

Here's the latest from that thread....


Apparently, according to Prisco's implications on the radio today, Stroud is upset at the team because they "rushed him back too soon" from his ankle injury, to the point of even suggesting the use of performance enhancers to speed his recovery. He feels the team turned his back on him after the suspension.

Buffalo has reportedly offered a 3rd for Stroud.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=119#s=119&f=1835&t=2109705&p=2

[Kenny]

3rd or even a 2nd rounder would be a steal for him!!!

[Michael82]

3rd or even a 2nd rounder would be a steal for him!!!
I totally agree. I would love this. :drool:

:pray:

[The Jokeman]

Joke that is why its called a RUMOR
Even so you'd think there'd be a mention of it somewhere besides a message board.

[HAMMER]

Buff offers third, Jax gets second when said and done, we get better by leaps and bounds if he stays healthy.

[jimbohastle51]

if he was really in town, he was here for a physical and i am sure that the deal will get done if our front office wants him. john clayton just said on sportcenter that kris jenkins got traded to the jets. so we need to make our DT trade soon if we want rogers or stroud, we need to get one of the 2 because dorsey and ellis will be gone, and we cant draft one that high anyways, those 2 are our chance at premium DT's without giving up too much.

[Oaf]

Someone must have a rich friend over there.

[Jaybird]

boys boys boys

getting excited about this one, please.... just let it happen

[jamze132]

So the only information we have on this is from a message board? I'm going back to bed...

[Romes]

Imagine if the Bills traded one of their 3rd round picks for Stroud...the McGahee trade would look like:

McGahee for Edwards and Stroud.

Damn fine deal if that were to happen.

[Dujek]

I hope this happens, and he can stay clean and healthy, it's a great deal for the Bills.

[Bert102176]

I heard they wanted a 1st or a 2nd and another high pick for him

[Bert102176]

I hope this happens, and he can stay clean and healthy, it's a great deal for the Bills.



definetly hope he can stay healthy

[kernowboy]

Apparently he had micro surgery on his ankle, 12 months ago and then re-injured it again in December.

He hasn't been healthy for two years.

Considering the young DTs in this draft and the general depth at most positions across the board, giving up anything before Round 4 would be extremely foolish

Some mocks are having Dre Moore in R3, a productive 6ft4, 311lbs 1-tackle who runs a 4.88, and not only has a decent character but apparently is a keen learn as well. Hammered Slaton and Schmitt to a standstill.

I know what I'd do with the R3 pick. If we retain our picks they could go on a WR, TE, LB, DT and CB in the first 4 rounds and such is the depth of the draft all could be starters on Day1 .

[njsue]

:pray:

[alohabillsfan]

lISTENING TO 1010XL HERE IN JAX, THEY WILL BE DISCUSSING M. sTROOUD NEXT SEGMENT... Dam caps lock!

[LifetimeBillsFan]

lISTENING TO 1010XL HERE IN JAX, THEY WILL BE DISCUSSING M. sTROOUD NEXT SEGMENT... Dam caps lock!

So, what did they have to say about him?

[alohabillsfan]

Not sure if he passes physical. Not sure of trade value due to health concerns and the fact that M. Stroud wants out. Several reasons for wanting out including Del Rio not taking him to the playoff game at N.E.

[kernowboy]

Not sure if he passes physical. Not sure of trade value due to health concerns and the fact that M. Stroud wants out. Several reasons for wanting out including Del Rio not taking him to the playoff game at N.E.

At most I would offer a 'conditional' draft pick in 2009 based on his performance in 2008. No higher than a R3. When you fracture your ankle it is never 100% again - speaking from personal experience.

Do what the Saints have done to the Jets for Vilma who has also come off an injury.

If we can trade Losman for a pick in 2009, we can make up for this.

[mybills]

Not sure if he passes physical. Not sure of trade value due to health concerns and the fact that M. Stroud wants out. Several reasons for wanting out including Del Rio not taking him to the playoff game at N.E.
Oh yeah, blame it on Del Rio.
He sounds like an injured cry baby.

[DraftBoy]

I have some serious concerns about his long term health, but if he passes the physical, Id be very interested for sure.

[Mitchy moo]

Please sign him...................:bandwagon

[T-Long]

It's not a matter of signing him, it's all about him being in for a physical. His contract is already in place

[Mitchy moo]

It's not a matter of signing him, it's all about him being in for a physical. His contract is already in place


Let's get physical then, lol. :dance:

[Jaybird]

this would make my day!!!!!!

[BuffaloBillsStampede]

Son of a B**ch I will be insanely happy if we get him along with Mitchell. Our D will be light years ahead of schedule!!!!

[Bulldog]

Bet your ass that if Stroud is in Buffalo and passes his physical, he'll be a Bill. No way he came to Buffalo unless compensation has already be addressed with Jacksonville.

[Forward_Lateral]

Bet your ass that if Stroud is in Buffalo and passes his physical, he'll be a Bill. No way he came to Buffalo unless compensation has already be addressed with Jacksonville.

I agree.

[X-Era]

Bet your ass that if Stroud is in Buffalo and passes his physical, he'll be a Bill. No way he came to Buffalo unless compensation has already be addressed with Jacksonville.

Can we really assume that?

It would seem so, but weve done this before without a contract.

We add a SB champ starter at LB, and a 3 time pro-bowl DT in day one? FUG YEAH!

That would be awesome.

[Tatonka]

:pray: the physical turns out ok.

[PECKERWOOD]

Stroud is what Bills fans want, that mean nasty blue collar D-linemen. The City of Buffalo is going to go ****ing nuts if we sign Stroud!

[zone]

please, please let this happen!

[Mitchy moo]

:pray: the physical turns out ok.

+1 :pray:.

[alohabillsfan]

Stroud and Wilford both sign today cause Ralph is cheap and only purchased 1-way tickets! :bandwagon

[raphael120]

I'll be completely happy with this and Kawika for big FA signings.

Get our WR, CB and TE in the draft. Totally fine with it.

[X-Era]

:pray: the physical turns out ok.

Screw the physical, trade for him if the doctors feel he will be ready for training camp. Trust the Doc's. I hate McGahee, but they nailed that one.

I dont see that he MUST pass a physical today, maybe he just needs to be fully screened to decide if he will be back to 100%

[Mitchy moo]

I'll be completely happy with this and Kawika for big FA signings.

Get our WR, CB and TE in the draft. Totally fine with it.

True, come on Stroud.

[Elminster]

Stroud and Wilford both sign today cause Ralph is cheap and only purchased 1-way tickets! :bandwagon
:laughing:
Here's to hoping we bag Stroud too!

[justasportsfan]

:pray: the physical turns out ok.
he was last seen with a guy in a lab gown/uniform standing behind him with rubber gloves on.

[billsburgh]

he was last seen with a guy in a lab gown/uniform standing behind him with rubber gloves on.
was it Clump or Eb?

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Screw the physical, trade for him if the doctors feel he will be ready for training camp. Trust the Doc's. I hate McGahee, but they nailed that one.

I dont see that he MUST pass a physical today, maybe he just needs to be fully screened to decide if he will be back to 100%

DUH!

That's what the physical that the Bills doctors will be giving him is meant to determine.

The Bills are not going to give up a 3rd round pick or more, if that's what it takes to get Stroud from Jax, if their doctors feel that he won't be able to play. They're not going to be too concerned if he can't walk right now, they will be examining him to see if he will be able to play this season and whether his ankle will hold up well enough to get him through the season.

They're getting paid to tell the Bills whether his health is good enough that he will be able to get on the field enough to be worth the money that they are going to have to pay him and the draft pick(s) that they are going to give the Jags to get him.

The Bills don't care about how he is doing right now, they want to know if he will be healthy enough to play when the time comes for him to get on the field--that's all that really matters to them.

[Mr. Miyagi]

Stroud and Wilford both sign today cause Ralph is cheap and only purchased 1-way tickets! :bandwagon
I hope this happens with Stroud and Wilford too just so I can see patmoran launching a RalphWilsonIsGod.com webiste. :pray:

[X-Era]

DUH!

That's what the physical that the Bills doctors will be giving him is meant to determine.

The Bills are not going to give up a 3rd round pick or more, if that's what it takes to get Stroud from Jax, if their doctors feel that he won't be able to play. They're not going to be too concerned if he can't walk right now, they will be examining him to see if he will be able to play this season and whether his ankle will hold up well enough to get him through the season.

They're getting paid to tell the Bills whether his health is good enough that he will be able to get on the field enough to be worth the money that they are going to have to pay him and the draft pick(s) that they are going to give the Jags to get him.

The Bills don't care about how he is doing right now, they want to know if he will be healthy enough to play when the time comes for him to get on the field--that's all that really matters to them.

Not cool man!

Plenty of people think that passing a physical means he can step on the field and play right now. Thats what "passing" a physical means rather than "taking" a physical.

Its neither here nor there, I say trade for him if we think he can return to health.

[patmoran2006]

I hope this happens with Stroud and Wilford too just so I can see patmoran launching a RalphWilsonIsGod.com webiste. :pray:
Stroud and either Wilford OR Hackett and it's a done deal.

[JerseyBoofaloBills]

ill seriously poop myself if we sign marcus stroud, ive always loved that big nasty mean man..good lord, im actually excited about this FA with signing mitchell aswell..who did own us when we played the giants..im just happy he's on our side now..ohh man, cmon pleaseeee sign stroud:pray:

[Mitchy moo]

Well all of this would make my day.

[raphael120]

Unfortunately we can't unload JP to Jax now because they got Cleo Lemon. If we can get Stroud for a 3rd I'll be estatic, but I'm confident that even if we give up a 2nd we'll still get some good value in the draft. We have room to trade up into the 2nd if we want to.

[madness]

Unfortunately we can't unload JP to Jax now because they got Cleo Lemon. If we can get Stroud for a 3rd I'll be estatic, but I'm confident that even if we give up a 2nd we'll still get some good value in the draft. We have room to trade up into the 2nd if we want to.

I was hoping JP would be in that deal.

[Mitchy moo]

Are the gloves off yet??

[Jeff1220]

Is he still officially in the building? :headscrat

[Mitchy moo]

Is he still officially in the building? :headscrat

Lol.:respect:

[Michael82]

Don't forget how long it took for the deal to get done with Dockery last year. It was announced that he was here at 11am, but the deal wasn't finished until like 3 or 3:30pm.

[hydro]

I think there a few posters in this thread that think Stroud is a FA and we are looking to sign him. He has 3 years (I believe) on his contract and is seeking a trade. Just to get the facts straight.

[Michael82]

Imagine if the Bills traded one of their 3rd round picks for Stroud...the McGahee trade would look like:

McGahee for Edwards and Stroud.

Damn fine deal if that were to happen.
Wow! That deal is sick! :drool:

[Mitchy moo]

Don't forget how long it took for the deal to get done with Dockery last year. It was announced that he was here at 11am, but the deal wasn't finished until like 3 or 3:30pm.

Denny's happy hour ends at 3:00, that explains it.

[Mitchy moo]

Wow! That deal is sick! :drool:

Getting closer........

[jimbohastle51]

if he passes his physical its a done deal, we wouldnt have brought him here other wise. kamika mitchell wow that is actually a good signing, for depth and he can start. i mean his contract is reasonable. actually not bad, beause briggs would have ment no stroud, no way ralph would pay 2 monster contracts like that. troupe is as good as ours as well watch.

[acehole]

ill seriously poop myself if we sign marcus stroud, ive always loved that big nasty mean man..good lord, im actually excited about this FA with signing mitchell aswell..who did own us when we played the giants..im just happy he's on our side now..ohh man, cmon pleaseeee sign stroud:pray:

What ia exciting to me is not just Stroud per say ...it is stroud with mitchel and mcargo...in conjuntion with Shobel/Poz that has potential.....

[Mitchy moo]

What ia exciting to me is not just Stroud per say ...it is stroud with mitchel and mcargo...in conjuntion with Shobel/Poz that has potential.....

Fingers crossed.

[Al the Bills Fan]

If we end up landing Stroud, I would be thrilled! Micthell helps our LB woes and Stroud would fill our need of a big DT.

Add a decent CB to the mix and a couple of depth guys and our defense will be really decent.

[venis2k1]

Don't forget how long it took for the deal to get done with Dockery last year. It was announced that he was here at 11am, but the deal wasn't finished until like 3 or 3:30pm.

You guys have to remember that we aren't signing a FA contract with stroud, If the Bills decide they want to persue him, they then have to call up the JAX front office (who is busy today trying to sign Free Agents i would imagine) and hammer out a deal both sides can agree on. These things take time.

[Michael82]

You guys have to remember that we aren't signing a FA contract with stroud, If the Bills decide they want to persue him, they then have to call up the JAX front office (who is busy today trying to sign Free Agents i would imagine) and hammer out a deal both sides can agree on. These things take time.
I agree. But if he is already here taking a physical, it likely means that the Bills have already talked with Jacksonville about a price to trade for him.

[Bone]

He has to be here for a physical, there's no way he would be here just to talk, because we would have to TRADE for him so I think he's taking a physical or it doesn't make sense to me..

[Mitchy moo]

I agree. But if he is already here taking a physical, it likely means that the Bills have already talked with Jacksonville about a price to trade for him.

The contract and arrangements are agreed upon, he is in for a physical to get checked. The only thing that will abort this is if he is a mess and not likely to play this coming season. If that's the case, who in there right mind would want him anyways.

The bigger question is do we give JAX our Raven 3rd rounder or our own?

[X-Era]

The contract and arrangements are agreed upon, he is in for a physical to get checked. The only thing that will abort this is if he is a mess and not likely to play this coming season. If that's the case, who in there right mind would want him anyways.

The bigger question is do we give JAX our Raven 3rd rounder or our own?

Link? Where did you here this?

[Slim]

Link? Where did you here this?

Are you forgetting this is the one year anniversary of when Skooby crashed the site with the "Bills Sign Dockerky" thread?

[Mr. Miyagi]

Well turned out he was right, wasn't he?

[X-Era]

Well turned out he was right, wasn't he?

Where did you hear about Stroud first on this board?

[Mitchy moo]

Well turned out he was right, wasn't he?

:respect:

[Philagape]

This is somewhat related, from PFT .........

The Jacksonville Times-Union reports that the Jaguars are in discussions with the Detroit Lions about acquiring Rogers, whom the Lions hope to trade before a $1 million roster bonus comes due Saturday.

[TedMock]

Where did you hear about Stroud first on this board?

http://www.buffalonews.com/258/story/288087.html

This is the only link I've seen so far, but I haven't had time to search around today.

[X-Era]

http://www.buffalonews.com/258/story/288087.html

This is the only link I've seen so far, but I haven't had time to search around today.

Im being a smartass, MM knows that I posted this rumor yesterday only to hear flack right away.

[raphael120]

This is something where we would be gambling to pick him up, I would be happy to give up a 3rd, a little apprehensive about giving up a 2nd. I hope the situation is just right that no one else is willing to give up a high 3rd rounder and the Jags just want to wash their hands of Stroud.

[Ed]

Lets put it this way..

Given DT has been a big need since.. Pat Williams left.

IF we get him and anyone on here *****es about it, you are TRULY NOT a ****ing Bills fan!
But he has character issues!! He's not a Marv guy!!!

[kernowboy]

I wouldn't go any higher than this for a player with a serious leg injury.

Randy Moss only cost the Patriots a 4th rounder last year, and all that teams are doing, are playing on the 'apparent' desperation of teams to get a big DT in the middle, irrespective of how healthy they are. And because every team knows this draft is deep giving up a 4th rounder, would be similar to giving up a third rounder in any 'normal' year.

We cannot just think about tomorrow, we need to think about next year. If Stroud's ankle is re-injured - and it will always be weak - then a R4 is palatable (just about) and the pot can be sweetened with a conditional pick next year. Only if we are certain of getting a 3rd rounder for Losman would I consider upping the offer. They can f*** off if they want a 1st or 2nd - Championship winning teams are still built through the draft.

The positive signing of Mitchell has removed the need for a LB in this draft. To draft one early would be foolhardy now unless we are working on Angelo Crowell not staying. And even then there is some top talent available in next years draft.

I would rework our draft in this basis

R1. Dominique Rogers, CB. For obvious reasons
R2. Dre Moore, DT. Can we risk both starting DTs having had serious leg injuries in the last two years?
R3a. Martellus Bennett, TE. For obvious reasons

R3b Adarius Bowman, WR. The perfect tough compliment for Evans

or traded for Stroud

R3c if gained for a Losman trade - Adarius Bowman

R4 traded for Stroud (+ conditional 2009 draft) or move up into the 3rd for Bowman.

There are increasingly fewer teams out there looking for DTs. Jacksonville need to know we will call their bluff, if necessary if they overplay their hand.

As a team we cannot have our teams' future ransomed.

[clumping platelets]

Sirius is reporting that Vikings are close to a deal for Stroud....got this off Jags MB :huh:

[Philagape]

I thought you said you were leaving

[Slim]

This thread title was a little miss-leading.

[deathadder]

Please put a question mark in your title or say it is your opinion. I came in here thinking it was a done deal!

[Philagape]

Sirius is reporting that Vikings are close to a deal for Stroud....got this off Jags MB :huh:

oh ****

[VeggieMan14]

**** dude i almost pissed my pants i thot you were for real we made that deal

[Slim]

Sirius is reporting that Vikings are close to a deal for Stroud....got this off Jags MB :huh:

WTF? He's in Buffalo though. They have Kevin Williams and Pat....

[Mitchy moo]

PLs change title.

[VeggieMan14]

wen u sed that i tho you sed we made the deal

[clumping platelets]

:dizzy:

[kernowboy]

I thought you said you were leaving

We haven't made a brainless decision ... yet

[ddaryl]

I concur

you suck

[don137]

As much as like Stroud I do not think the Bills should give anything more than a 3rd rounder especially for a guy coming off an injury and suspension. I'd take Jenkins over Stroud when 100% healthy and the Panthers got a 3rd and 5th. Jenkins is 100% healthy now.

[kernowboy]

Can we have a ? then please ... I can't change it

[Michael82]

Sirius is reporting that Vikings are close to a deal for Stroud....got this off Jags MB :huh:
What the hell!?!? Why would they want him? Maybe they can trade us Pat Williams.... :pray:

[Mr. Miyagi]

This thread title was a little miss-leading.
Yeah I agree. So I changed it.

[Ed]

How many Stroud threads do we need? Why do people need to create new threads everytime they have an opinion?

[hydro]

How many Stroud threads do we need? Why do people need to create new threads everytime they have an opinion?

Of course!

[Mr. Miyagi]

This is getting worse and worse.

We let Corey Willilams slip, for merely a 2nd rounder.
We let Kris Jenkins go to the Jets for a 3rd and 5th.
We didn't make a strong play for Shaun Rogers, now going to Cincy.
And we had Stroud IN BUFFALO and still didn't lock him up?

WTF??????????????????????????? :mad:

[SquishDaFish]

Unreal :cry:

[X-Era]

This is getting worse and worse.

We let Corey Willilams slip, for merely a 2nd rounder.
We let Kris Jenkins go to the Jets for a 3rd and 5th.
We didn't make a strong play for Shaun Rogers, now going to Cincy.
And we had Stroud IN BUFFALO and still didn't lock him up?

WTF??????????????????????????? :mad:

Sirius probably screwed up and mentioned the Vikes instead of the much reported Lions with the Jags rumor. Just screwed up the names of the teams.

I have faith in the Bills, I think we land this one.

[Mitchy moo]

Im being a smartass, MM knows that I posted this rumor yesterday only to hear flack right away.

I hope this gets done soon.

[Slim]

Sirius probably screwed up and mentioned the Vikes instead of the much reported Lions with the Jags rumor. Just screwed up the names of the teams.

I have faith in the Bills, I think we land this one.

Agreed the fact that he's IN Buffalo make me skeptical about the Viking report.

[Michael82]

Sirius is reporting that Vikings are close to a deal for Stroud....got this off Jags MB :huh:
I'm sorry, but I havent seen this anywhere on the Vikings message boards or in the news about them being interested. It makes no sense with them already having both Williams DTs. :shakeno:

I'm betting they misheard it. The Bills are probably the team that is "close" to a deal for Stroud. :pray:

[raphael120]

I dont know...he got here at noon, and it's been 4 hours. I think you'd pound something out by now.

[Ed]

This is getting worse and worse.

We let Corey Willilams slip, for merely a 2nd rounder.
We let Kris Jenkins go to the Jets for a 3rd and 5th.
We didn't make a strong play for Shaun Rogers, now going to Cincy.
And we had Stroud IN BUFFALO and still didn't lock him up?

WTF??????????????????????????? :mad:
Who said Stroud has left Buffalo?

And why would we pursue Williams, Jenkins or Rogers if Stroud was our top target and brought him in immediately? What did you expect? Every DT to show up at Buffalo this morning banging on the door?

Patience.

[Slim]

I dont know...he got here at noon, and it's been 4 hours. I think you'd pound something out by now.

It took over 3 hours for Dock.

[VeggieMan14]

UHHH please get traded to SOMEBODY so i can sleep tonight not hoping and wishing we get him. if we got him i would cry with joy

[Mr. Miyagi]

Im being a smartass, MM knows that I posted this rumor yesterday only to hear flack right away.
Yeah I did give you some crap about that rumor yesterday.

If we do sign him I'll crown you as this year's Skooby how's that? :laughter:

[kernowboy]

This could be a ruse to get us to overpay for him

Every player has a value and we shouldn't allow ourselves to be patsies and bounced into giving up more than we should

[SquishDaFish]

If we get him after getting Mitchell Im going to cream my damn pants

[Slim]

This could be a ruse to get us to overpay for him

Every player has a value and we shouldn't allow ourselves to be patsies and bounced into giving up more than we should

Wouldn't we just take over his current contract?

[VeggieMan14]

Wouldn't we just take over his current contract? I think he means get us to trade for more then we should

[Slim]

I think he means get us to trade for more then we should

I see, my bad. I'd give a 2nd in a heartbeat.

[raphael120]

Well while this is getting worked on, I'm seeing all kinds of other FA's being signed, some that would be good fits here. Wilford, etc....

So they better get things done.

[Philagape]

Technically, Stroud being in Buffalo doesn't mean anything. He's still Jags property and they can trade him to whoever they want.

[Mr. Miyagi]

If we lock him up today I'm gonna get completely wasted tonight.

I got two cases of Samual Adams waiting for me in my fridge. :hungry:

[Philagape]

How many Stroud threads do we need? Why do people need to create new threads everytime they have an opinion?

here here :bf1:

[SquishDaFish]

Ill join you with my 12 of Killians Miyagi

[VeggieMan14]

I see, my bad. I'd give a 2nd in a heartbeat. i would tooo. i think the best trade would be JP and a 6th but they signed cleo lemon so dont think thats happening

[kernowboy]

Wouldn't we just take over his current contract?

A R2 for an injured player?

The Browns gave a 2nd for a fully fit Williams

The Jets gave up a 3rd and 5th for a fit Jenkins !! -

[Slim]

If we lock him up today I'm gonna get completely wasted tonight.

I got two cases of Samual Adams waiting for me in my fridge. :hungry:

Good choice. I LOVE the SA Oktoberfest. Either way tonight, I celebrate or i mourn.

[Philagape]

Just wait until draft day, when some who think they're experts start a thread after every pick. Their thoughts are worthy.

[DBrown77]

If we lock him up today I'm gonna get completely wasted tonight.

I got two cases of Samual Adams waiting for me in my fridge. :hungry:

If we dont sign him i'm going to get completely wasted tonight also. works both ways!

[Mitchy moo]

Yeah I did give you some crap about that rumor yesterday.

If we do sign him I'll crown you as this year's Skooby how's that? :laughter:

Hey????????






J/K.

[Slim]

A R2 for an injured player?

The Browns gave a 2nd for a fully fit Williams

The Jets gave up a 3rd and 5th for a fit Jenkins !! -

Exactly. There off the market, so is Randy Starks. Given the situation, I'd throw a second in a heartbeat.

[ddaryl]

Jax probably wants a 2nd rd pick which is over paying IMO.

If they want a 2nd make it conditional in 2009

[kernowboy]

Exactly. There off the market, so is Randy Starks. Given the situation, I'd throw a second in a heartbeat.

err INJURED !! always will be at risk

Why overpay?

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Given the fact that C.Williams and K.Jenkins both got contract extensions after being traded, it's pretty likely that M.Stroud will want something similar from the Bills if he is traded to the Bills.

Considering that the Bills are probably not going to want to do a deal unless they get a "go-ahead" from their doctors, it can easily take more than 4-5 hours for Stroud to have a physical and then work out a contract extension with the Bills and have the Bills hammer out the final details of a trade with Jacksonville.

As long as Stroud is still in Buffalo and talking with the Bills, there is still a pretty good chance that they will get a deal done. If he leaves town, though, I would consider that to be a very bad sign.

At this point, I'm just hoping that the Bills MDs clear him and that they can get a deal done sometime today or tonite.

I didn't realize that he hadn't arrived until noon--ESPN's J.Clayton was reporting that he was in Buffalo earlier in the morning--and I was starting to get rather worried. But, if he didn't arrive until noon, then there is still a chance that they will be able to get a deal done to get him.

At this point, I'm just hoping that they can get something done.

If all they are able to accomplish today is signing K.Mitchell, I don't think that is going to be enough to put the team in the position that it needs to be in going into the draft, that's for sure.

[mysticsoto]

I hope they get something done too. Rogers just signed with Cincinnati which means there are no more worthy options at DT... :(

[justasportsfan]

I hope they get something done too. Rogers just signed with Cincinnati which means there are no more worthy options at DT... :(


I'm all for bringing Tim Anderson back.

[SquishDaFish]

:mad: Dammit Justa

[clumping platelets]

I'm all for bringing Tim Anderson back.



Proof positive of how sick you are :respect:

[capitolneal]

:bandwagon :oops:
This could be a ruse to get us to overpay for him

Every player has a value and we shouldn't allow ourselves to be patsies and bounced into giving up more than we should


yeah I see ur point the Bills front office huddled around the sirius radio lisetening to reports.. Makes perfect sense

[Night Train]

We've seen 2 DT's, Jenkins & Rodgers, traded for those terms today.

We have extra picks in both Rounds 3 & 5.

Plus, he has an existing contract with 3 years left on it. No $$ surprises.

Thoughts ?

[jimbohastle51]

should be done deal, your right

[Philagape]

in a second

[DBrown77]

I am thinking there will be no deal for Stroud. Would have heard they were close to something by now

[Jaybird]

i would love to do that, not costing much in return!

[Patti120]

ankle?

[Slim]

I am thinking there will be no deal for Stroud. Would have heard they were close to something by now

I agree. With every moment that passes, my hope dies a little more.

[jimbohastle51]

the only bad thing is if we dont do this trade, there is no other option without over paying someone not worth it, and seriously anyone who thinks dorsey or ellis will be there at 11 is smoking crack, teams will trade up and garanteed NE, cincy, and baltimore will not let them fall, and just cause cincy got shaun rogers doesnt matter, they need 2 DT;s and marvin lewis LOVES big physical DTs

[kernowboy]

Both Jenkins and Rogers are fit.

Stroud only started half a season.

If a fit guys is worth a 3 & 5, what does an injured player cost. The Jets and Bengals have players they KNOW are back from injury - we're looking at a player we HOPE is back from injury

Until he gets on the field we don't know.

And playing on Fieldturf is not like playing on real grass which Stroud has done. Fieldturf still puts more pressure on the joints.

[Night Train]

I agree. With every moment that passes, my hope dies a little more.

The doctors should just wave off a thorough exam, to appease an anxious fan base.

[DBrown77]

the only bad thing is if we dont do this trade, there is no other option without over paying someone not worth it, and seriously anyone who thinks dorsey or ellis will be there at 11 is smoking crack, teams will trade up and garanteed NE, cincy, and baltimore will not let them fall, and just cause cincy got shaun rogers doesnt matter, they need 2 DT;s and marvin lewis LOVES big physical DTs

Moot point but I think Cincy may be switching to a 3-4 this year

[X-Era]

Heres CB's comment:


JAURON SAYS MIGHT NOT BE DONE TODAY: Head coach Dick Jauron indicated that the Bills are not done with free agency when he made some comments about the Kawika Mitchell signing.
"We're really happy with the way this day has gone so far, and it's certainly not over yet, but to start it out with Kawika is a big plus for our football team. We need to take a step forward and we all recognize that. We need to get better and we feel like we have."


Could it be Stroud????? :pray:

[jimbohastle51]

if things are still being worked out your right night train, there has to be a pretty thorough physical going on, he was in buffalo at noon, so you figure at meeting everyone the physical started about 1:15 thats 3 hours, and you have to figure he meets with the coaching staff and tours the team facilities as well

[clumping platelets]

:dizzy:

[jimbohastle51]

oh yeah here we go!

[VeggieMan14]

Heres CB's comment:


JAURON SAYS MIGHT NOT BE DONE TODAY: Head coach Dick Jauron indicated that the Bills are not done with free agency when he made some comments about the Kawika Mitchell signing.
"We're really happy with the way this day has gone so far, and it's certainly not over yet, but to start it out with Kawika is a big plus for our football team. We need to take a step forward and we all recognize that. We need to get better and we feel like we have."


Could it be Stroud????? :pray: The anxiety is killing me

[BILLSROCK1212]

we MIGHT not be done

[raphael120]

No, probably means your whose who of depth players now.

[Philagape]

This can be read two different ways ....

The Bills may still do something today
OR
The Bills are not done after today, talking about FA as a whole

I think he meant the latter.

[X-Era]

:dizzy:

As I get drunker, it gets more clear... Kinda like spinning around in a circle and then going the other way and getting un-dizzy... If you have never tried it it really works.

[X-Era]

This can be read two different ways ....

The Bills may still do something today
OR
The Bills are not done after today, talking about FA as a whole

I think he meant the latter.

Ok, now I guess you and I can go to bed or watch Dynasty re-runs.

:rolleyes:

[kgun12]

we MIGHT not be done

Having gone through this so many times, experience picks up on these words!

("might")

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Jenkins and C.Williams both got new deals when they were traded and Stroud may want the Bills to give him a new deal or an extension (virtually the same thing as well).

The Bills will want to know that Stroud will be healthy enough to play--so that means that they are going to want him to have a physical. If the MDs don't think that Stroud will be healthy enough to play, they are not going to be willing to trade for him.

Stroud is probably going to want a contract extension--which means that they are going to have to negotiate the terms of that, if they can. The deals that Jenkins and Williams got after their trades would probably give both sides a framework for a deal, but there would still be some details to work out. On the other hand, Stroud might be interested in getting "Tommy Kelly" money in a new deal and that could be a real sticking point for the Bills.

And, then, the Bills would have to come to a deal with the Jags to get Stroud. The trades for Jenkins and Rogers would probably give both sides a framework for that deal, but you never know what the Bills or the Jags might want to do in a deal: the Jags might want what GB got from Cleveland for Williams and the Bills might only want to give them what the Saints gave to the Jets for Vilma. If they get this far, I think that both sides will ultimately be able to work something out, but you never know (with the Robertson to Denver deal falling apart according to NFL Network's A.Scheffter, there could be other "players" out there that will step in and screw things up).

As long as Stroud is still in Buffalo and both sides are talking, there is hope that a deal can get done. If Stroud leaves Buffalo without a deal being made, IMHO it would be a very bad sign.

I think a lot is going to depend, though, on what the Bills doctors say to the team about the condition of Stroud's ankle.

[alohabillsfan]

Nope, still have to sign

M. Stroud
D. Walker
B. Johnson
and
D. Florance

That will be a pretty good first day!

[Night Train]

This can be read two different ways ....

The Bills may still do something today
OR
The Bills are not done after today, talking about FA as a whole

I think he meant the latter.

So it just means they're not going to bed yet and will get fish dinners from Dannys first.

Or...maybe..

[justasportsfan]

Pacman is still out there. Dick might still be working a deal for him. He'd be more than happy to play for the bills. Canadian ballet is just around the corner

[Philagape]

Ok, now I guess you and I can go to bed or watch Dynasty re-runs.

:rolleyes:

And you can start a thread on it.

[X-Era]

Having gone through this so many times, experience picks up on these words!

("might")

It depends on what your definition of "IS" is...

I mean seriously, at worst we are excited about what might happen with our team, and at best we are looking forward to our biggest addition in a long time.

Is there some harm here? seems like a victimless crime to me.

[X-Era]

And you can start a thread on it.

And you will respond to said thread rather than ignoring it.

If your bored or annoyed, maybe walking away from the computer would help.

[VeggieMan14]

And you will respond to said thread rather than ignoring it.

If your bored or annoyed, maybe walking away from the computer would help. OOOOOOOO do you want some ice with that burn:lol:

[Mitchy moo]

Is this guy in our hopper?

[X-Era]

Is this guy in our hopper?

I think the Tripplett cut makes this deal done!

[Mitchy moo]

I think the Tripplett cut makes this deal done!

That makes sense.

[Johnny Bugmenot]

I'm all for bringing Tim Anderson back.
Please tell me there's sarcasm in that statement.

[Mitchell55]

We have 2 of each so we wouldnt be losing anything major. Id say do this because we would only have 4 major positions to fill. WR, TE, C, and CB. So we could use or 5 picks on those. We dont need them all if it means getting him.

[X-Era]

Chris is now following our train of thought.

Someone go get Philagape... I think he was bored

TRIPPLETT RELEASE HAS TO BE PRECURSOR: The release of Larry Tripplett has to be a precursor to something else. The move comes as a bit of a surprise as nose tackle is more of the need position and Tripplett plays the three technique. One would think the Bills have an upgrade in mind. ---

[Philagape]

There's a thread on a 3rd and a 5th being "the going rate," but "very reasonable" is entirely different. Got it.

[Nighthawk]

Everybody here thinks it and if Chris Brown is writing about something, then we all know it must be true...Stroud trade is about to happen. This guy works for the Bills and WOULD NOT write something that wasn't about to occur. It's speculation, but the source makes it more of a possibility.

http://buffalobills.com/blog/index.jsp?blogger_id=1

[raphael120]

Yeah they wouldn't free up money unless they were thinking of signing someone who would command some big money....hmmm...who could that be???

[Philagape]

I know there are other threads, but if everyone else can start their own thread, why not me?

[Mr. Miyagi]

:spam:

[X-Era]

I know there are other threads, but if everyone else can start their own thread, why not me?

OK, your entitled.

Maybe your eyes were hurting from reading so many threads.

[Mr. Miyagi]

I just merged 7 Stroud threads into one. :miyagi:

[Philagape]

I just merged 7 Stroud threads into one. :miyagi:

:hiclap:

[Devin]

MM I think we merged all the threads at the same time rofl.

[Mr. Miyagi]

MM I think we merged all the threads at the same time rofl.
Great minds think alike! No one will accuse us staff of not doing anything now! :hi5:

[Philagape]

Just be ready on draft day

[X-Era]

:hiclap:

YES! We are finally organized! And on the seventh day he rested! :hiclap:

Seriously, if we get Stroud, I could care less if we start even half as many thread as the "bills are leaving" crap!

[patmoran2006]

I havent read a comment in this thread, but mikey it BETTER happen.

[Devin]

Bills released DT Larry Tripplett.

Now here's a shocker. Tripplett, 29, isn't an irreplaceable player by any means, but was due only $1.685 million. Buffalobills.com speculates that this is a precursor to another move. Marcus Stroud could be a Bill shortly.

Via rotoworld, not that its any new news or anything.

[X-Era]

Via rotoworld, not that its any new news or anything.

I have notified my sphincter to prepare to fill my pants.

[Nighthawk]

I have notified my sphincter to prepare to fill my pants.

I'm with you. What a move this would be!

[ddaryl]

I just merged 7 Stroud threads into one. :miyagi:


LOL

now everyone fork this thread :bandwagon

[Mitchy moo]

We got rid of Ellison for a reason..... Our new man is stroud..

[The Spaz]

What a goober. You mean Tripplett....lol

[clumping platelets]

:shakeno:

[Mitchy moo]

locked.

[Mitchell55]

We got rid of Ellison for a reason..... Our new man is stroud..




Dude. You got me excited. I thought you meant that we got rid of Ellison to. Dont do that again.

[Jeff1220]

Why get rid of Tripp? I understand that he's not that good, but he'd be good for depth/rotation behind Stroud and (only) costs $1.65 mil.