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njsue
03-02-2008, 05:59 PM
I say a Center or Secondary positions.

How about you all?

kgun12
03-02-2008, 06:02 PM
All these Fa signing is opening the door for us to do 2 things. One draft best available and maybe do some wheeling and dealing to acquire more picks!

VeggieMan14
03-02-2008, 06:03 PM
There aare no centers worth a first round pick

Kenny
03-02-2008, 06:04 PM
CB or BPA.


At this point I wouldnt mind DRC, Harvey, or Rivers. And then go for the best WR or TE in the 2nd round.

bigbub2352
03-02-2008, 06:05 PM
i am leaning toward Cb Cromartie, what about a splash and take a TE like Davis from USC

ParanoidAndroid
03-02-2008, 06:09 PM
Pass on Rivers. A 1st round LB should be a starter, so who do we pay big money to sit the bench, Crowell, Mitchell, or POZ?

Harvey would be nice. I don't think we should let Kelly pass us by. I really think he's going to be a good one.

ParanoidAndroid
03-02-2008, 06:10 PM
i am leaning toward Cb Cromartie, what about a splash and take a TE like Davis from USC

Davis is definately a huge reach at 11.

Mad Bomber
03-02-2008, 06:10 PM
DRC baby! You don't take a center at #11, but with the prices that corners have commanded of late, take the corner with size and speed.

Jayhawk
03-02-2008, 06:14 PM
a quarterback ;)

Mahdi
03-02-2008, 06:15 PM
A lot of folks seem to want DRC... I dont see it... He's not even rated as a Top 3 CB by most.... From what I have seen... its...


1) Brandon Flowers VaTech

2) Leodis Mckelvin, Troy

3) Mike Jenkins, South Florida

I would even add Aqib Talib......

That being said I think the Bills are getting other needs out of the way in FA so they can draft a position they have already invested in such as DE....

I am still not comfortable with the Kelsay/Denney combo and Im hoping we draft Vernon Gholston or Derrick Harvey both of whom can play as edge rushers and inside from the DT position, particularly Harvey who is bulked up to 291.

Confused
03-02-2008, 06:20 PM
Gholston would be HUGE!!!!

I think a mock like this is great:
1.Gholston or DRC
2.Fred Davis if he drops. Doucet if he doesnt.
3. Martellus Bennett if we dont get Davis. Dexter Jackson if we dont.

ParanoidAndroid
03-02-2008, 06:21 PM
Isn't that Mayocks list? He has DRC in his top 5 but Flowers is #1. That group shuffled as the combine progressed. Too many CB's get overvalued after running a good 40.

jimbohastle51
03-02-2008, 06:22 PM
looks like we are setting up to draft a shutdown corner, like mike jenkins or aliq talib

Patrick76777
03-02-2008, 06:23 PM
A lot of folks seem to want DRC... I dont see it... He's not even rated as a Top 3 CB by most.... From what I have seen... its...


1) Brandon Flowers VaTech

2) Leodis Mckelvin, Troy

3) Mike Jenkins, South Florida

I would even add Aqib Talib......

That being said I think the Bills are getting other needs out of the way in FA so they can draft a position they have already invested in such as DE....

I am still not comfortable with the Kelsay/Denney combo and Im hoping we draft Vernon Gholston or Derrick Harvey both of whom can play as edge rushers and inside from the DT position, particularly Harvey who is bulked up to 291.

I haven't done much draft research yet, but I love that Talib is 6-1 220. Great size!

jimbohastle51
03-02-2008, 06:23 PM
if we sign troupe tomorrow the only real thing left is a shutdown corner top priority then a WR and TE but they wouldnt be as big a problem right now. if johnson is signed now way we draft a WR at 11. maybe if we trade down but not at 11.

Captain gameboy
03-02-2008, 06:24 PM
Flowers isn't fast enough.
He isn't even the top Cb, let alone a number 11 overall.

If the Bills think DR-C isn't worth it, move down and get him later in the 1st.

I think he's much better than Flowers, and one of my kids goes to Va Tech.

If we want a Tech kid, get Royal or X Adibi in the later on.

Sportsuser101
03-02-2008, 06:27 PM
Keep improving the defense and draft a corner. Talib would be a perfect fit imo but if guys like Dorsey, Ellis, or Gholston are still there I would take them. I wouldn't be suprised at all if the Bills take Ryan if he's still there.

Ed
03-02-2008, 06:29 PM
Any really good OG's in this years draft that could compete with Butler for the starting RG spot? I wouldn't mind trying to upgrade there for the right person.

I'm thinking CB is a good pick, but I wouldn't mind a WR still, even if Johnson has signed.

Best player available seems logical at this point though, or try to trade down and just stack the team with depth.

We could always try and trade up for a franchise qb! j/k.

Sportsuser101
03-02-2008, 06:34 PM
Not a good year for guards especially at the top half of the 1st round. Albert is probably the only guy worth a 1st round pick he's more of a playoff team pick if not an early 2nd.

Devin
03-02-2008, 06:37 PM
DRC!!!!!!!!!

gr8slayer
03-02-2008, 06:38 PM
DRC

njsue
03-02-2008, 07:07 PM
DRC is a great player. Hope we draft him. We need a better CB than what we have.

colin
03-02-2008, 07:29 PM
if a great pass rusher falls, then we might want to grab him.

otherwise a corner is our biggest need (assuming we don't deem a wr being worth the 11, there will be solid ones in the 2nd).

facing moss 2x, and with the wrs in the nfl today a solid corner is always an asset

X-Era
03-02-2008, 07:41 PM
DRC

If we truly landed Johnson, Im on board with this pick up.

I do wonder if we could drop back a bit, maybe 20-ish?

Mr. Pink
03-02-2008, 07:42 PM
Trading down is the best option at this point, in all honesty.

X-Era
03-02-2008, 07:43 PM
Did we interview DRC?

X-Era
03-02-2008, 07:47 PM
Trading down is the best option at this point, in all honesty.

Cant disagree.

I was thinking:

Dorsey
Ellis
Rivers
or Kelly

All those spots may have been filled.

That makes CB, and TE tops and maybe even DE.

As far as CB, I dont see any worthy of 11. TE, same deal.

Now if Gholston fell...

Mr. Pink
03-02-2008, 07:49 PM
Cant disagree.

I was thinking:

Dorsey
Ellis
Rivers
or Kelly

All those spots may have been filled.

That makes CB, and TE tops and maybe even DE.

As far as CB, I dont see any worthy of 11. TE, same deal.

Now if Gholston fell...

My sentiments exactly...I don't think any corner is worth the number 11 pick and the amount of money we'd have to pay him for selecting him 11th. And there is definitely no TE worthy of the number 11 pick.

I say if Brohm or Ryan is still available we get a feel for who may want them and trade down with them, either picking up multiple picks this year or another 1 next year.

X-Era
03-02-2008, 07:52 PM
My sentiments exactly...I don't think any corner is worth the number 11 pick and the amount of money we'd have to pay him for selecting him 11th. And there is definitely no TE worthy of the number 11 pick.

I say if Brohm or Ryan is still available we get a feel for who may want them and trade down with them, either picking up multiple picks this year or another 1 next year.

Thats a real possibility. I heard McShay say today that teams are either hot or cold on the QB's

yordad
03-02-2008, 07:53 PM
DRC!!!!!!!!!nuff said

ScottLawrence
03-02-2008, 07:56 PM
I'd like to see us either take a DE or trade down, grab an extra second and go with a corner.

Then grab a TE and C in the second.

Buffalogic
03-02-2008, 08:00 PM
Regardless if we sign Johnson or not I'd like the bills to draft Limas Sweed in the first and really give us some great big options at receiver. Then cb in second, followed by a third round TE. As long as we go any combination of WR/TE/CB in the first three rounds I'll be pretty happy, but I really want Sweed in a bills uniform.

Mr. Pink
03-02-2008, 08:01 PM
Every Mock I've seen has DRC being the 3rd or 4th corner taken...behind McElvin, Jenkins and Talib lasting til the 20th pick except 1 mock.

Which has the Pats taking him at 7th overall.

We can easily trade down and still get DRC if he's the target.

casdhf
03-02-2008, 08:04 PM
Brohm

YardRat
03-02-2008, 08:06 PM
O-line, QB, TE, RB, S, and most likely LB are out.

BPA between WR, CB, DE, DT.

X-Era
03-02-2008, 08:06 PM
Regardless if we sign Johnson or not I'd like the bills to draft Limas Sweed in the first and really give us some great big options at receiver. Then cb in second, followed by a third round TE. As long as we go any combination of WR/TE/CB in the first three rounds I'll be pretty happy, but I really want Sweed in a bills uniform.

It would seem to not be a need but I think the Bills will want insurance if Evans leaves.

I have a feeling that Evans gets locked up long term and then I just cant see a need to draft a WR in the 1st. Again, thats only if we have in fact signed Johnson.

Assuming we do sign him, I could see a guy like Hardy or my middle round favorite Eddie Royal

DrGraves
03-02-2008, 08:07 PM
we have a young qb with an improving line with two good in the back field. whether we signed johnson or not... WR, give edwards as many targets as possible.

LIMAS SWEED OR MALCOLM JENKINS!!!!

X-Era
03-02-2008, 08:07 PM
O-line, QB, TE, RB, S, and most likely LB are out.

BPA between WR, CB, DE, DT.

Still DT? I guess you cant have enough. But, I still am high on Williams who would be the odd man out.

WR, CB, DE all a yes IMO.

Mad Bomber
03-02-2008, 08:16 PM
My sentiments exactly...I don't think any corner is worth the number 11 pick and the amount of money we'd have to pay him for selecting him 11th.
Agreed. Could you believe that Clements was worth $80 Mil????

The sad truth is that CBs for some strane reason are worth megabucks. Is it worh it to pick up a potentially great CB at #11?.

My friend, I am not going to say that this would be a stone cold, lead pipe lock, but after having picked up some solid help on the line and linebackers, this would be a SOLID pickup for our defense.


...just my opinion....

DraftBoy
03-02-2008, 08:20 PM
Dominique Rodgers-Croamartie no questions asked

TigerJ
03-02-2008, 09:56 PM
If the Bills sign Bryant Johnson and the Bills don't trade down (or even if they do), then the odds shift to Buffalo taking a CB. I like DRC. He's not the highest rated on everybody's board but he's rising for good reason. He's got great speed and height. He's a little slender at this point and he played at a lower level of college, but he showed he can play with the big boys at the Senior Bowl, and he should be able to pack on 10 lbs of muscle.

If the Bills don't go with a CB, there is an outside chance they will draft a DE. The highest rated center in the draft is probably going in the third round, so that's not happening. I don't think there is anyway the Bills draft a TE in round one either. Fred Davis would be a huge reach. I think the Bills like Bennett more than Davis. He's bigger, faster, and a better blocker. Plus he has some sentimental ties to Kevin Everett, for what that's worth. They can get Bennett in round 2.

Akhippo
03-02-2008, 10:25 PM
I would first try a trade with the ravens. Losman and a swap of first. It would seem like we would have to jump NE for Gholston. If Gholston is unattainable, drop down and pick up a corner. WR in the second and a OLman in the third.

Bmax
03-02-2008, 10:55 PM
DRC.. special ability at CB ...

I would also Look at

1. Phillip Merling-Pending workout.
2. Limas Sweed-Evans insurace
3. James Hardy-see above
4. Branden Albert -Trade down to 15 or 20 ...
5. Derrick Harvey-Just look at the saints..Three guys who can rush passer Will smith,Charles Grant now Bobby MCcray....
6.Leodis McKelvin-CB he can return punts-Mccgee can't do it forever.


Bmax

LifetimeBillsFan
03-03-2008, 12:12 AM
Forget Dorsey, Ellis and Gholston--those three will be gone before the Bills get to pick.

St. Louis is said to be very intrigued by Dorsey, if they don't go with J.Long. With Atlanta picking up M.Turner, they will either go QB or D-line. Oakland needs to replace Sapp and there's a good chance they take Dorsey or Ellis. Clady is a reach at # 5 and KC can get an OT later, so they could go for Dorsey or Ellis. The Jets would love to get Gholston and if they don't take him, the Pats will take him to replace Colvin, knowing that they can get CBs later (Samuel, Gay and Hobbs were not # 1 picks). If any one of those three get past the Pats, Cincy will grab him to shore up their defense. And, with the Saints signing Gay to fill their need at CB, if any one of them is still on the board, they are in a position to do so.

Rivers will also be gone to one of the teams needing help on defense in the Top 10 as well.

As for the Bills, there are three ways that they could go if they don't trade down (and even if they do):

CB: D.Rogers-Cromartie or L.McKelvin (if he's still available) are tremendous athletes with enough size and ball-hawking ability to make them worth taking, even though they played at a lower level in college. There are three problems with taking a potential "shutdown" CB in the first round: 1.) you have to pay him 1st round money (one reason teams like the Tampa 2 is that you don't have to pay for a "shutdown" CB and can use the savings at other positions); 2.) any rookie CB in this draft is going to take half a season, maybe more, to break into the starting lineup; 3.) because "shutdown" CBs can command so much money in free agency, you may not be able to keep him. Considering that this is a deep draft at CB and the Bills could get a good Tampa 2 CB in Round 2 or even Round 3, they may decide that they can get a better combination of talent with their first three picks if they pass on a CB at this point.

WR: M.Kelly or L.Sweed (if he has recovered from his wrist injury). Both of these guys have tremendous potential. But, it usually takes 2-3 years for a WR to fully develop at the NFL level. If the Bills sign a FA WR to be the # 2 WR opposite L.Evans, they would be in a position to give a WR that they draft the time that he needs to develop without forcing him into the starting lineup right away. Bringing in a guy who can be a premier WR might convince L.Evans that it would be worthwhile to stay with the Bills, while, at the same time, giving the Bills leverage in their negotiations with Evans and insurance should he decide to leave. Drafting a WR here would also allow the Bills to let J.Reed go after this up-coming season without missing him. There are three problems with taking a WR at this spot: 1.) the "bust"-rate for WRs taken in the first round of the draft is rather high and, even if a WR is not a bust, it will likely take time for him to develop into a starter; 2.) both Kelly and Sweed would be a "reach" at # 11 and there are concerns about Sweed's wrist injury and Kelly's speed; 3.) this is a very deep draft at WR and the Bills would probably be able to get a pretty good WR prospect, like J.Hardy or E.Doucet, in the 2nd Round or perhaps even the 3rd Round (A.Bowman).

DE: D.Harvey or P.Merling: Former NY Giants GM Ernie Accorsi, who assembled most of the Super Bowl champions' roster, once said that you can never have enough quality pass rushers--and the Tampa 2 defense relies on getting a good pass rush to be successful. While Harvey and Merling haven't always been consistent on the college level, both have the potential to be quality pass rushers on the NFL level, particularly in a rotational system like the Bills play. With the loss of Hargrove and concerns about R.Denney's foot injury, the Bills are very thin at the DE position, even with S.Johnson being able to take some snaps at the position. It would make a lot of sense for the Bills to add another pass-rushing DE in this draft, particularly with A.Schobel on the wrong side of 30. When he has been motivated, Harvey has been able to be absolutely dominant at the college level and has the potential to be an All-Pro, but he probably should shed some of the weight that he put on for The Combine. Merling is a "high-motor" guy very much in the same mold as Schobel and Kelsay. There are three problems, however, with taking a DE at the # 11 spot: 1.) unlike the top 5 D-linemen in this draft, there are real concerns about whether Harvey and Merling will develop into big-time players at the NFL level--in Harvey's case because of his inconsistency and, in Merling's, because of his relative lack of overall athleticism--which make both of them risky picks and a "reach" at # 11; 2.) there are pure pass rushers, like J.Dingle, in this draft that would be good fits in the Bills defensive system who will be available in later rounds; 3.) the Bills have a lot of money invested in their DEs right now and would have to give a DE drafted here first round money--money that could be spent to strengthen one of their other, more pressing needs.

As things stand right now, I could see the Bills taking any one of the six players that I have listed at any one of the three positions that I have listed. With the depth of the TE class, I would be shocked to see them take a TE this high--although I think that they could select F.Davis, from USC, if they tradedown to the later third of the first round. because there really isn't much in the way of first round quality at the other positions that they may want to strengthen, I really don't see them drafting anyone at any other position than these three positions (four if you count TE as a possibility should they tradedown in the first round).

LB, DT, FS, RB, FB, QB and offensive line depth will probably be addressed later on in the draft, if they are addressed at all. (I would say that, at most, there is a .005 chance that the Bills would consider taking R.Clady, an OT who can also play OG and is generally rated as one of the # 10-15 best prospects in the draft, at # 11, but that is an extreme long-shot and would be a huge shock that I just can't see happening.)

If the Bills can bring in a veteran at TE and the # 2 WR spot in free agency, I think they will be in great shape going into the draft and will have the flexibility to consider going in a number of different directions to address their needs at CB, TE, DE and WR in the draft. More free agent signings--of lower-tier FAs--could further narrow down their needs and give them even more flexibility in the draft as well.

Al the Bills Fan
03-03-2008, 12:25 AM
I say a Center or Secondary positions.

How about you all?

No Center will be taken in the first round. We may draft a Center in the 5th round or so.

I keep going back and forth between Kelly and DRC. If Gholston drops, that changes everything, You take him and don't think twice. The kid is that good. That's why he won't be there when we pick. But if the planets align and he is, we have to take him.

DrGraves
03-03-2008, 12:46 AM
maybe its just me but i feel like a corner from the first round can't be much better than a guy in the second... but if you have a chance to get a freak show reciever... snag him up

kernowboy
03-03-2008, 03:56 AM
Here are some CB assessments after the Combine by WalterFootball

Leodis McKelvin, Troy State Ht: 5-10. Wt: 190. 40 Time: 4.38.
Benchx225: 17. Vertical 33.5.
Leodis McKelvin has cemented himself as the top corner in this draft, posting solid numbers in Indianapolis. McKelvin didn't play much in the Senior Bowl, but he had a great week of practice, showing that he's capable of playing with the top athletes in the country. McKelvin has developed into a solid corner after given up for dead by scouts. He'll be used as a return specialist as well.

Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Tennessee State Ht: 6-1. Wt: 184.
40 Time: 4.28. Benchx225: 17. Vertical 38.5.
Holy crap. Forget being a lock first-round pick. I'd be shocked if Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie makes it past the Saints at No. 10. Following up on an incredible Senior Bowl, DRC ran a 4.28, jumped a 38.5-inch vertical and leaped a broad of 10'11". He also looked extremely fluid in the drills, earning the praise of Deion Sanders. Wow, how was this guy not recruited by any BCS schools? Rodgers-Cromartie covers well, makes big plays and tackles extremely well. He's tall and runs a 4.3. Excluding Sedrick Ellis, Rodgers-Cromartie made the most money at the Senior Bowl, moving himself into the Top 15. A tall corner who runs a 4.3 is pretty rare. Getting one that picks off six passes in a season is like finding the Loch Ness Monster.

Mike Jenkins, South Florida Ht: 5-10. Wt: 197. 40 Time: 4.38.
Benchx225: 18. Vertical 34.
There was nothing wrong with Mike Jenkins' combine, but it didn't have scouts and general managers drooling like they did over Domonique Rodgers-Cromartie. Jenkins was all over the place in South Florida's upset victory at Auburn. Jenkins intercepted a Brandon Cox pass and took it down to the Tigers' 3-yard line. Jenkins was ranked higher until he was arrested this spring for fighting outside a bar. No charges were filed, but this could still set off a red flag; coaches and general managers are much more cautious now that Roger Goodell is piloting the NFL.

Antoine Cason, Arizona Ht: 6-0. Wt: 191. 40 Time: 4.49.
Benchx225: 20. Vertical 35.5.
Antoine Cason, a corner who thrives in the spotlight, ran a decent 40 but shocked the crowd with a vertical of 35.5 and a broad jump of 10'8". Cason may go in the top 20. Cason moves up the rankings after dominating the Oregon Ducks. Considered on the same tier as Leon Hall and Darrelle Revis before he pulled himself out of the 2007 Draft, Cason has picked off 10 passes in three years at Arizona. Cason has similar attributes as Hall, who was drafted 18th by Cincinnati.

Brandon Flowers, Virginia Tech Ht: 5-9. Wt: 189. 40 Time: 4.55.
Benchx225: 14. Vertical 30.
No idea why some draft experts had Brandon Flowers atop their cornerback charts. In my opinion, he's a late-first, early-second prospect all the way, although I believe he could become a decent NFL player despite his awful 40.

Aqib Talib, Kansas Ht: 6-0. Wt: 202. 40 Time: 4.47.
Benchx225: 10. Vertical 38.
Aqib Talib ran better than expected (by most people), though he matched my predicted 40 time. He's a first-round prospect despite looking awkward in some drills. Mike Mayock also exposed some of Talib's flaws on tape.

In the WalterFootball Mock Draft (2/28) they have McKelvin going at No6, Jenkins at No7, DRC at No10, Cason at No14, Flowers at No18.

In the NFLDraftCountdown Mock (2/27) they have McKelvin at No8, Talib at No15, Jenkins at No16, DRC at No19, Flowers at No40, and Cason at No62

At Condraft (2/25) they have McKelvin at No10, Talib at No15 Jenkins at No16, Flowers at No20, DRC at No30, Cason at No36

At MSN (2/29) its Talib at No7, then McKelvin at No10, then Jenkins at No15 and DRC at No30 .... no sign of Cason or Flowers in R1

CFN (2/27) and its Jenkins at No7, McKeown at No10, Talib at No15, No other CB cracks R1

Whilst there is much difference about who is No1 I would go with DRC if he's available at No11, simply because after our Free Agency we can take a chance, and his upside is much much higher than all the others due to his size/speed combo. I have no doubt if we'd gone to a DivI college we'd be taking about him as a top5 guy

eyedog
03-03-2008, 08:17 AM
With the way fa is breaking, I know think they could possibly take an o-tackle at #11. They have no depth behind Peters and Walker. Claddy or Williams could be possiblities now.
Personally I would still go d-end, but o-tackle is now an option imo.

madness
03-03-2008, 08:23 AM
If not CB then WR.

Jan Reimers
03-03-2008, 08:33 AM
Regardless of whether or not we sign Bryant Johnson and/or Ben Troupe, I think we go WR and CB in rounds 1 and 2 (but not necessarily in that order), then TE and Safety in 3 and 4. I am not completely sold on Ko Simpson.

I think Stroud automatically makes our DEs better, Mitchell plugs the hole WLB, and we are committed to Fowler at C - so none of those positions will be drafted until late, if at all.

mysticsoto
03-03-2008, 08:33 AM
With the way fa is breaking, I know think they could possibly take an o-tackle at #11. They have no depth behind Peters and Walker. Claddy or Williams could be possiblities now.
Personally I would still go d-end, but o-tackle is now an option imo.
Oline - You don't take a guy who's going to be depth at #11! You take a starter. There will be no Oline personnel taken for us in the 1st rd. The only exception would be if someone Jake Long fell to us, which is pretty much not going to happen. For those that mentioned it previously...there is no Center worth taken in the 1st or 2nd round. Some would argue not even the 3rd rd - though I personally think someone will make the 1st grab in the 3rd rd. This is a weak class of Centers, unfortunately for us.

DLine - We are top heavy now in DT can effectively rule the position out unless magically, Dorsey or Ellis were to fall to us. DE - unless Gholston falls, I doubt we go here. We have unfortunately invested too much in Kelsay and Schobel.

LB - With Kawika Mitchell, we have our starters, for the same reason listed in the Oline above, you don't take a depth person at #11.

S - we are top heavy at S too with Ko Simpson, Wendling and Wilson returning along with Donte Whitner.

WR - Limas Sweed and Malcolm Kelly are two possibilities, but a bit of a reach. If we can swing a trade down and grab one, that would maximize their value with our pick.

RB - not needed.

TE - None worth a 1st rd or even our 2nd rd (which is high).

CB - Again, it'd be nice to trade down to maximize our value pick, but DRC is at the top of this list followed by a tradedown for Mike Jenkins or Leodis McKelvin.

QB - same depth issue described above.

The obvious analysis would indicate that we either go WR or CB. If we get a WR in FA, that would seem to push our likelihood draft to a CB and improve our pass defense and coverage! McGee would make a much better #2 CB and someone like DRC would vastly improve us in speed and height coverage when dealing with people like Moss.

eyedog
03-03-2008, 08:37 AM
I think someone like claddy is now a real possibility. Can play inside and backup at tackle. Not my choice but I actually wouldn't be shocked by it.
I would still go d-end.

DraftBoy
03-03-2008, 08:38 AM
I think someone like claddy is now a real possibility. Can play inside and backup at tackle. Not my choice but I actually wouldn't be shocked by it.
I would still go d-end.

I could see Merling at 11, but I dont think taking an OT is a smart choice, I mean Walker got big bucks and doesnt have a history of injuries, Peters is well Peters. Why even consider an OT?

eyedog
03-03-2008, 08:39 AM
DRC would not come in here and step in as the #1 cb. At best he would start as the nickel.

eyedog
03-03-2008, 08:40 AM
I could see Merling at 11, but I dont think taking an OT is a smart choice, I mean Walker got big bucks and doesnt have a history of injuries, Peters is well Peters. Why even consider an OT?

Peters and Walker are the starters. What if one or both go down ? Were f-ed.

gr8slayer
03-03-2008, 08:41 AM
DRC would not come in here and step in as the #1 cb. At best he would start as the nickel.
I beg to differ. As it stands right now Greer is by far our best CB. McGee should just do ST's and play the Nickel, he would actually do very well there.

gr8slayer
03-03-2008, 08:41 AM
Peters and Walker are the starters. What if one or both go down ? Were f-ed.
The chances of that happening are slim and I'm sure we plan on drafting OL in the later rounds like we generally do. Butler can also play OT.

DraftBoy
03-03-2008, 08:42 AM
Peters and Walker are the starters. What if one or both go down ? Were f-ed.

Butler can play OT, and we can draft guys like Zuttah, Sosa and many others in Rounds 4-7 to be back up OT's. Why pay a guy starter money when they have no real shot at starting over the next 4 or so years.

TacklingDummy
03-03-2008, 08:42 AM
WR: Evans replacement after he gets traded

Brandon Flowers, Virginia Tech, NO WAY, the Bills already had enough Flowers on the roster.

gr8slayer
03-03-2008, 08:43 AM
WR: Evans replacement when after he gets traded

Brandon Flowers, Virginia Tech, NO WAY, the Bills already had enough Flowers on the roster.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of Flowers myself.

I really hope we don't NEED a replacement for Evans, I think he'd thrive if we could get him a real #2.

mysticsoto
03-03-2008, 08:44 AM
DRC would not come in here and step in as the #1 cb. At best he would start as the nickel.

Maybe. But I think if he did, he'd work his way up quickly. What he needs now is experience b'cse he vastly outperforms *ANY* CB we have in pretty much every physical way. He's faster, taller and more athletic!!! He would be moved to #1 quickly!!!

gr8slayer
03-03-2008, 08:44 AM
Butler can play OT, and we can draft guys like Zuttah, Sosa and many others in Rounds 4-7 to be back up OT's. Why pay a guy starter money when they have no real shot at starting over the next 4 or so years.
Yeah and Merz can play OT too :oops:

eyedog
03-03-2008, 08:44 AM
Butler can play OT, and we can draft guys like Zuttah, Sosa and many others in Rounds 4-7 to be back up OT's. Why pay a guy starter money when they have no real shot at starting over the next 4 or so years.

Fine with me. I'm just saying I wouldn't be shocked by an o-lineman at #11.

eyedog
03-03-2008, 08:46 AM
Maybe. But I think if he did, he'd work his way up quickly. What he needs now is experience b'cse he vastly outperforms *ANY* CB we have in pretty much every physical way. He's faster, taller and more athletic!!! He would be moved to #1 quickly!!!

Well if he is the #11 I would hope so.

DraftBoy
03-03-2008, 08:46 AM
Fine with me. I'm just saying I wouldn't be shocked by an o-lineman at #11.

Id not only be shocked Id be very disappointed in that kind of a selection

DraftBoy
03-03-2008, 08:46 AM
Yeah and Merz can play OT too :oops:

:shakeno:

mysticsoto
03-03-2008, 08:46 AM
Peters and Walker are the starters. What if one or both go down ? Were f-ed.

What if Trent goes down? Were f-ed...let's draft a top QB.

What if McCargo goes down ? Were f-ed...let's draft a DT.

What if Schobel goes down ? Were f-ed...let's draft a DE.

...Lynch? Evans? shall I go on?

Again, you draft a starter at #11, and draft for depth in the later rds.

DraftBoy
03-03-2008, 08:52 AM
What if Trent goes down? Were f-ed...let's draft a top QB.



May not need an injury for that to happen :couch:

JOSH JOHNSON! :couch:

Saratoga Slim
03-03-2008, 09:10 AM
What I do like is that unlike the past two years, we're not drafting someone who has to immediately start. We currently have a legitimate starter on the roster for every position. Some better than others of course, but I'm really pleased that this year we're drafting to UPGRADE as opposed to FILL HOLES.

It's such a better position to be in.

kernowboy
03-03-2008, 09:25 AM
I think considering the injury history of both Stroud and McCargo, I would want us to draft a DT on Day1, simply because of this risk.

Stroud has missed 12 of the last 32games and at 30years of age, injuries have a habit of being more frequent

McCargo has missed 11 of the last 32games as well as 6 of 13 games in his last college year. Foot injuries will always be there for 300lbs guys.

Is anyone at all comfortable starting Williams and Jefferson at the 1-tackle or Spencer Johnson at the 3-tackle for long periods?

I can easily see us drafting someone like Dre Moore, especially if he is the best player available player in R2 and cutting Williams and Jefferson. Mobile and fast 300lbs DTs are as rare as top LTs, decent QBs, fast WR who can catch and run proper routes and CBs who can actually cover.

LifetimeBillsFan
03-04-2008, 01:22 AM
....I can easily see us drafting someone like Dre Moore, especially if he is the best player available player in R2 and cutting Williams and Jefferson. Mobile and fast 300lbs DTs are as rare as top LTs, decent QBs, fast WR who can catch and run proper routes and CBs who can actually cover.

Considering that you have mentioned Dre Moore in virtually every post that you have made in the past two months about the draft, I can't help asking, "Are you related to Dre Moore?"

There's no question in my mind that, if he's still on the board, DRC would be the best athlete--and perhaps best overall prospect--that the Bills could draft at # 11, given the way that the draft appears to be shaping up right now.

Given the way that this coaching staff has been reluctant to push rookies into the starting lineup unless they have to, I don't think that any player that they draft in this year's draft can count on becoming a starter right away, but I could see DRC coming on quickly and pushing for a starting CB job by mid-season.

But, the problem is that the Bills still have some needs that haven't been met in free agency--at least not yet. And, as a result, they aren't quite in a position of being able to simply take the BPA.

And, in terms of what their needs are, a CB may not be what they see as their biggest long-term need, in terms of athleticism and play-making ability.

No doubt, having the kind of athleticism that DRC has at CB would be nice, but Kelly and Sweed don't offer that much less in terms of size and speed at WR--whcih the Bills may see as a bigger long-term need, given the fact that the Tampa 2 doesn't require a pure "shutdown" CB with DRC's athleticism and there are CBs who would be a good fit in the Tampa 2 who will be available later.

I honestly don't know which way they will decide to go--particularly if they sign a big WR, like B.Johnson, and a TE, like Troupe, in free agency and think that A.Wallace will be an acceptable, yet cheap back-up at DE. Things could shape up to the point where none of us, outside of OBD, has any idea what they are going to do with their pick at # 11 until they are actually on the board on Draft Day.