Please try to look at our #11 pick a different way!!

[HHURRICANE]

I have been very outspoken about not taking a WR at #11. We need not one, but two WRs, so I know how important it is to this team. If there was a clear cut front runner, like Calvin Johnson last year, than I would say absolutely take him at #11.

Here are my main reasons:

1) It will take 8 games before any rookie WR will have an impact. It's the nature of the position. By that time we could be 3-5 and already out of playoff contention. I don't have to tell anybody how our bad starts, year after year, have cost us any chance at a run.

2) There other players in the draft that could have an impact in week 1 that are worthy of a #11 pick. They may help us win games while our 2nd round WR develops.

3) There is no doubt that one of the top 3 WRs that every one keeps talking about will be available in the second round. The Bills have moved up with their 2nd pick 2 years in a row so why not this year, if necessary?

You folks can't even agree on which WR we take. Sweed, Thomas, Kelly? Some analysts have Doucet and Jackson ranked higher. We are narrowing the position because we want "big".

There are positions on this board where at #11 there is no debate.

After Peterson came off the board there was no debate that Lynch was the next best RB on the board. Period. You can't say this at WR.

[PECKERWOOD]

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Devin Thomas is the clear cut WR of this year's draft but still isn't worth the #11th pick, imo. I'm hoping that we get a guy like Harvey, DRC or Rivers.

[justasportsfan]

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huh? You wanted a DE and then you're telling us a wr won't make an impact til' midseason?

Evans and Reed made impacts way before mid season in their rookie year. Whatchataulkinbout? Colston? The list goes on and on. I can list more wr's than DE's that have made impacts in their rookie year.

[HHURRICANE]

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huh? You wanted a DE and then you're telling us a wr won't make an impact til' midseason?

Evans and Reed made impacts way before mid season in their rookie year. Whatchataulkinbout? Colston? The list goes on and on. I can list more wr's than DE's that have made impacts in their rookie year.

Reed was taken in the 4th round.

[justasportsfan]

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Reed was taken in the 4th round.

Not Josh Reed.

Thats not the point either. The point is, it doesn't take half a season for a wr to make an impact.

[PECKERWOOD]

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Reed was taken in the 4th round.

He was talking about Josh Reed the 2nd round pick.

[HHURRICANE]

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Not Josh Reed.

Thats not the point either. The point is, it doesn't take half a season for a wr to make an impact.

Yes it does. I didn't know Josh Reed was so good. He was a 2nd rounder so why are we looking for a guy to go along side Evans?

[bigbub2352]

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The problem i have with taking another position at 11 other than WR is that the top CB prospects in the draft are all small school, never covered anyone that was a top ranked WR,
DE we have so much money tied up to this position that i dont see us taking a player at 11 to be the 4th man in the rotation and paying him starter money, the position needs to be addressed but not at 11

WR is the clear cut option to get the best player at his position in the draft, if the Bills didnt think so why did they bring in Bryant Johnson and try and sign him, why did they go to Kelly's pro day and have him and Devin THomas in for a visit if they didnt think that is there biggest need in the draft!

Why did we sign Will James with 44 career starts under his belt, we are also returning both starters, and have to ex 3rd rounders as depth, not nobodys in youboty and fox,i think CB in the 3rd round would be the right time to take one

WR Devin Thomas is the real deal and another thing alot of people are overlooking is the fact that he returns kicks, he is a former RB, so he is amazing after the catch and he had 79 catches last yr, Sweed and Kelly arent even close to that production, plus the fact he is 6ft 2 and 218lbs and runs a 4.4 those are andre johnson intangibles, and rookie WRs can make impacts all season look at Bowe, Colston etc...

We need O first not D

[bigbub2352]

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Yes it does. I didn't know Josh Reed was so good. He was a 2nd rounder so why are we looking for a guy to go along side Evans?

Josh Reed the bust is another very glaring reason why we need to take another WR, he is awful and has got by 6yrs in the league cause of his blocking, He is a bum and a cap eater and should have been replaced when he was a FA, but that was another great FA move by Levy, the man could draft but signing players was not something he was very good at

[justasportsfan]

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Yes it does. I didn't know Josh Reed was so good. He was a 2nd rounder so why are we looking for a guy to go along side Evans?

I never said Josh was anything great but he had one hell of a rookie season. Thats the point. Wr's make more impacts than DE's in their rookie year. Not all but most of the time.

[Night Train]

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I'll be happy with whoever we draft. The step up from college to pro is huge.

Until they put on pads, it's all based on faith. All the smack talk in the world about this player being a " beast " or a sure thing is just that. Cheap talk.

We all have eyes and can read draft site ratings. I'll root for the Bills regardless.

[historypete]

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This is my two cents. I think we need to focus our early picks on the offense. We've reconstructed the Defense between the last two drafts and this offseason. I think with Stroud, Johnson and Mitchell along with a healthy Poz the pass rush will be much better. A strong pass rush means a whole better secondary, so I think drafting a guy at 11 is a bad move. We can get a good corner in the 2nd or 3rd.

What this team desperately needs is offensive talent. It is great our D might hold teams to 17 points or under, but with the skill talent we have on Offense we're only going to put up 13 points as usual. We need that big WR, who can make an impact. Yeah history says they rarely do make immedaite impacts but I think we have to take that chance. Then we need a true playmaking TE. I'm so sick of "bobbles" Royal and Anderson, I don't think will do much.

I don't want another DE, we already have a ton of money tied up in that position. If we were to dump some salary from there through a decent trade I might be for it. I know we have the salary cap room but I still don't like the idea of tying up that much cap space at one position.

My ideal situation would be to have someone of value drop far enough that a team will throw a good trade our way. Maybe Dallas, Philly or someone will covet a player they want/need. Then we can move back, gain a few extra picks in the 2nd and 3rd, and then grab Devin Thomas. I've soured on Kelly with his poor pro-day showing and knee problems. I think Thomas is the best choice of the two considering his upside and lack of health issues.

If we are stuck at #11 and can't move back then I bite the bullet and take Thomas again. Like I said we need offensive talent, and although he might not make an immediate impact we must also think long term health of the offense and team. His upside makes him the right pick there, in my opinion.

[Philagape]

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DE (Harvey or Merling?) and CB (DRC or McKelvin?) have no clear-cut consensus either. And no position stands out as far as hit/miss ratio or development time. It all depends on the individual.
All that's equal as far as I'm concerned, so I choose the biggest need, which is overwhelmingly WR.

[HHURRICANE]

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The problem i have with taking another position at 11 other than WR is that the top CB prospects in the draft are all small school, never covered anyone that was a top ranked WR,
DE we have so much money tied up to this position that i dont see us taking a player at 11 to be the 4th man in the rotation and paying him starter money, the position needs to be addressed but not at 11

WR is the clear cut option to get the best player at his position in the draft, if the Bills didnt think so why did they bring in Bryant Johnson and try and sign him, why did they go to Kelly's pro day and have him and Devin THomas in for a visit if they didnt think that is there biggest need in the draft!

Why did we sign Will James with 44 career starts under his belt, we are also returning both starters, and have to ex 3rd rounders as depth, not nobodys in youboty and fox,i think CB in the 3rd round would be the right time to take one

WR Devin Thomas is the real deal and another thing alot of people are overlooking is the fact that he returns kicks, he is a former RB, so he is amazing after the catch and he had 79 catches last yr, Sweed and Kelly arent even close to that production, plus the fact he is 6ft 2 and 218lbs and runs a 4.4 those are andre johnson intangibles, and rookie WRs can make impacts all season look at Bowe, Colston etc...

We need O first not D

You continue to be the best poster on this site hands down. Even when you and I don't agree I love the way you bring intelligent analysis to this board.

You make a very good case for Thomas. However, do you feel at 6' 2" he gives us the "red zone" advantage we have been looking for? Doesn't it make sense to trade down if we covet the position that badly?

[PECKERWOOD]

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This is my two cents. I think we need to focus our early picks on the offense. We've reconstructed the Defense between the last two drafts and this offseason. I think with Stroud, Johnson and Mitchell along with a healthy Poz the pass rush will be much better. A strong pass rush means a whole better secondary, so I think drafting a guy at 11 is a bad move. We can get a good corner in the 2nd or 3rd.

What this team desperately needs is offensive talent. It is great our D might hold teams to 17 points or under, but with the skill talent we have on Offense we're only going to put up 13 points as usual. We need that big WR, who can make an impact. Yeah history says they rarely do make immedaite impacts but I think we have to take that chance. Then we need a true playmaking TE. I'm so sick of "bobbles" Royal and Anderson, I don't think will do much.

I don't want another DE, we already have a ton of money tied up in that position. If we were to dump some salary from there through a decent trade I might be for it. I know we have the salary cap room but I still don't like the idea of tying up that much cap space at one position.

My ideal situation would be to have someone of value drop far enough that a team will throw a good trade our way. Maybe Dallas, Philly or someone will covet a player they want/need. Then we can move back, gain a few extra picks in the 2nd and 3rd, and then grab Devin Thomas. I've soured on Kelly with his poor pro-day showing and knee problems. I think Thomas is the best choice of the two considering his upside and lack of health issues.

If we are stuck at #11 and can't move back then I bite the bullet and take Thomas again. Like I said we need offensive talent, and although he might not make an immediate impact we must also think long term health of the offense and team. His upside makes him the right pick there, in my opinion.

I think we've made a mistake by investing so much money into Denney and Kelsay.. Schobel's future is a mystery to me. 94 has proven that he can be an elite DE in the NFL, but can he do it day in and day out? Let's bring in a guy like Harvey and ease the loss of Denney or Kelsay next season when we /cut them! If we decide to go BPA at #11 for me it goes: 1.) Rivers 2.) DRC 3.) Harvey.