If Denney was a big injury and Hargrove is now gone...

[HHURRICANE]

Why is taking Harvey a luxury pick?

We were 29th in sacks. Stroud is now the fix?

Interesting.

[justasportsfan]

Why is taking Harvey a luxury pick?

It's not our biggest need.

[RockStar36]

I think other areas of the team need addressed first. Plus the two guys they got on the DL will help free up the Schobel and Kelsay and hopefully they can get to the QB more often.

[HHURRICANE]

I think other areas of the team need addressed first. Plus the two guys they got on the DL will help free up the Schobel and Kelsay and hopefully they can get to the QB more often.

Does anyone really believe that our sack production will move up into the top half of the league by adding Stroud?

[Tatonka]

because we have our starters.. and that isnt going to change. we dont have a starter at WR #2, TE, or FB that would or could be a starter on most other teams.

[HHURRICANE]

It's not our biggest need.

The Giants proved that it is. Every team will be making improvements to get there sack totals up and get pressure on the QB. Considering we play the Pats twice a year you would think that we would see this consiering the Giants gave us the blue print for beating this team.

[justasportsfan]

Does anyone really believe that our sack production will move up into the top half of the league by adding Stroud?

If they live up to their potential, teams aren't gonna be able to run against us therefore forcing to throw all the time. Part of that potential is also their ability to collapse the pocket.

Aside from the potential of our DT's ,don't forget the potential of our lb'ers with good players in front of them.

[DraftBoy]

The Giants proved that it is. Every team will be making improvements to get there sack totals up and get pressure on the QB. Considering we play the Pats twice a year you would think that we would see this consiering the Giants gave us the blue print for beating this team.

And Ive made this point before, if you dont think teams are going to adjust offensive gameplans/protection schemes to take care of a line of speed rushers you're insane. To think a team like New England will allow themselves to get beat over and over again by that kind of a scheme doesnt make any sense at all.

[justasportsfan]

The Giants proved that it is. Every team will be making improvements to get there sack totals up and get pressure on the QB. Considering we play the Pats twice a year you would think that we would see this consiering the Giants gave us the blue print for beating this team.
the giants also proved you need more than 1 wr. They also proved that you have to have a better O than one thats ranked 30th. The Pats almost went undefeated because they didn't ignore their offense. Even if we draft a top DE, it isn't gonna be as good as the Ravens D when they won the sb. A top De isn't gonna score points for the O.

[Tatonka]

the pats didnt even need a defense last year in about 16 of their wins because their offense was so good.


they could have just onside kicked it after scoring.

[historypete]

I don't think DE is a luxary pick by any means. It makes sense, but not at #11. I just don't think we are going to let Kelsay or Schobel go after this year, and I do believe our sack production is going to increase the with recent DL and LB additions. I'd be okay going DE in round 3, or even round 2 if we trade back and get a couple additional picks.

Now,I do think WR is a more pressing issue that needs to be addressed in the 1st round. We need to significantly upgrade the offense at this point, in my opinon. I know WR has a high failure rate but our last 2 1st round WR have panned out well (Moulds and Evans) so I think we have a good track record over some teams there. I think we need to go WR and TE with the first two rounds, then we can focus on CB and DE from there.

[patmoran2006]

Does anyone really believe that our sack production will move up into the top half of the league by adding Stroud?
If he's healthy.. Yes

[Philagape]

We were 30th in offense.

[Ickybaluky]

He has a point when you look at the strength of the draft. TE and WR may be huge needs, but are there any worth a pick in the top half of the first round?

I think there are DE, OT, RB, DT, CB and LB that might grade out worthy of the Bills pick in the 1st that could be available to them. A player needs to grade out worthy of the pick.

If the Bills can trade down, then maybe they can address WR high, but they might not be able to do so in this draft because there may not be a lot of teams looking to deal up. If they stay where they are, they could do a lot worse than a guy like Harvey.

[ptd86]

I would actually like the pick of harvey, but I definitly don't think its close to our biggest need. We need a starting center, starting te and starting wr. Harvey won't start hes just very good depth and will probably take kelsays spot. If de is our highest priority thats like saying lb, cb, qb,t,g, safety are all our top priorties because this team as a whole has very little depth

[patmoran2006]

I still think Harvey is going to NE at #7 anyway, if they dont trade down.

[bigbub2352]

We do have Copeland Bryant, Ryan Neil and Shaun Nua as well as Darius Watts still on the roster, not saying any of these guys can do much, but Copeland Bryant was on the active roster of Chicago and Ryan Neil is a very high motor DE, it is not like the cupboard is bare

I do believe thou we need to address this position, Hargrove being ignorant hurt us more than we like to admit, i can see us addressing this position with a late FA pick up and drafting a guy on the second day

We have so much money tied up with the 3 white boys, i cant see us taking one early and having to pay them alot of money

Plus Jefferson and Johnson can both move outside as well in our D, so we got more depth than Denney

We just really need to make some additions to the 30th ranked offense, thus far Barnes, Teyo, and Coutrney dont scare opponents we need 2 WRs, a TE, and a FB to emerge from this draft, i prefer all by the 5th round

[yordad]

Why is taking Harvey a luxury pick?

We were 29th in sacks. Stroud is now the fix?

Interesting.Oh, are you a Harvey fan? :headscrat

[Ickybaluky]

I still think Harvey is going to NE at #7 anyway, if they dont trade down.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Pats take Ellis. If Dorsey were there, I'd say they definitely would take him, but they might take Ellis no matter what needs they have. The Pats value impact DL, and they have a history of taking them high.

Harvey would surprise me. I don't see him as a fit for their system. I don't think he can play OLB.

[patmoran2006]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Pats take Ellis. If Dorsey were there, I'd say they definitely would take him, but they might take Ellis no matter what needs they have. The Pats value impact DL, and they have a history of taking them high.

Harvey would surprise me. I don't see him as a fit for their system. I don't think he can play OLB.
not that my mock draft makes a lick of difference, but I actually got NE going with Keith Rivers with the 7th pick. Maybe it's wishful thinking that got me to pass on them taking Ellis (Who I got going to Cinci 9th).

[ddaryl]

We were 30th in offense.

++++

this is half the reason for our piss poor D... Even when our D was p;laying well they'd be dog tired in the 2nd half and we'd give up easy scores that either put the game out of reach for us, or lost the little lead we had....



but I would not be upset if we did draft a DE at #11 like Harvey... we all know we can use more pass rush.

but I still think the Bills will be best served by trading back for extra picks and then trading up to get quality players they covet as much as they possibly can. At least that is the scenario I'm thinking is in the works... but what the hell do I know.

[HHURRICANE]

We have so much money tied up with the 3 white boys, i cant see us taking one early and having to pay them alot of money



I hate this argument. We have so much money tied up in these guys that we need to keep losing with them? Everyone you named behind them would not make another NFL roster.

We were 29th in sacks. 29th.

Let me reverse my argument. If we take Thomas at #11, who are we taking in the second?

We have a much better shot of taking Harvey in the first and still getting the WR we want in the 2nd with zero cost. We improve our offense and defense with 2 quality picks.

[TedMock]

I hate this argument. We have so much money tied up in these guys that we need to keep losing with them? Everyone you named behind them would not make another NFL roster.

We were 29th in sacks. 29th.

Let me reverse my argument. If we take Thomas at #11, who are we taking in the second?

We have a much better shot of taking Harvey in the first and still getting the WR we want in the 2nd with zero cost. We improve our offense and defense with 2 quality picks.

Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner. This is exactly how I feel. The WR crop is good this year. Not great - good. The great news is that there are 4 rounds worth of good WR's. BPA in round one means we're probably going with a CB, DT, or DE. I'm fine with all of the above so long as it is indeed the top guy on our board. There will be plenty of No. 2's in the 2nd round.

[Meathead]

Does anyone really believe that our sack production will move up into the top half of the league by adding Stroud?
this post is a :shortbus:

um yeh-ah

wtf do you think a probowl nt does. they push the pocket, forcing double teams in the center of the line every single play. sometimes they put a rb or te on them as well

wtf do you think happens to the rest of the line coverages

yes one addition can do all that. yes indeedy

[bigbub2352]

I hate this argument. We have so much money tied up in these guys that we need to keep losing with them? Everyone you named behind them would not make another NFL roster.

We were 29th in sacks. 29th.

Let me reverse my argument. If we take Thomas at #11, who are we taking in the second?

We have a much better shot of taking Harvey in the first and still getting the WR we want in the 2nd with zero cost. We improve our offense and defense with 2 quality picks.

We were 29th in sacks last year for more reasons then our DEs

Aaron Schobel had 14.5 sacks 2 seasons ago
he had 6.5 his lowest total since his rookie year last year
With improvements at DT, Schobel will be back to form

Chri kelsay was hobled by injuries all season
Ryan Denney same thing
they r healthy

No pass rush form the LBers and no blitz packages cause we had half our Defense on IR

Stop looking so much into stats and look into the reasons for the drop off

We have a healthy Dline now, and you are adding one of the Best DT in the game (when healthy) and also a fully 100% and improving linemate in McCargo next to him

We have a healthy secondary now, Ko and Whitner will be a hell of an improvement of leonard or Wilson also returning ur starters at CB and adding depth players like Scott and Fox are solid, Youboty and James are not bums either

We have added quality depth in Spencer Johnson who can hold up against the run and is adequate at pass rushing as well

Most improtantly we have healthy LBers Poz, Mitchell, Angelo will be able to blitz now, and play closer to the line of scrimmage as well as run stunts and different Zone schemes that actually make our defense alot less predictable and keep the oppossing TEs and RBs honest

Also all of this draws the double team away from our premeire pass rusher in Schobel, Stroud really demands a double team all day, and McCargo is being to show signs of why he is a former 1st rd pick

Add to this the philosphy of the Bills FO, they have alot fo money right now tied up in our DLine, Stroud, McCargo, Johnson, Denney, Schobel, Kelsay all being paid starter money and u expect the bills to take a DE at 11? No way

I dont think so, now the best pick in the world at 11 mite not be WR, but we also have the 30th ranked offense to go along with ur 29th in sacks, now dont u think if we put up more points on offense, it puts the opposition into must score mode, and puts our defense in the position to attack not defend

When a team is losing a game they abandon the run and they pass pass pass which intern opens up the rushers, and with Stroud in there that takes the double teams off our DEs, now i said before and i will say it again we need to add here but not the 11th pick

Like it or not we got our starters for the forseeable future,

Look up and down the roster were is the most glaring need for a Starter

WR bro!

[justasportsfan]

We were 29th in sacks last year for more reasons then our DEs

Aaron Schobel had 14.5 sacks 2 seasons ago
he had 6.5 his lowest total since his rookie year last year
With improvements at DT, Schobel will be back to form

Chri kelsay was hobled by injuries all season
Ryan Denney same thing
they r healthy

No pass rush form the LBers and no blitz packages cause we had half our Defense on IR

Stop looking so much into stats and look into the reasons for the drop off

We have a healthy Dline now, and you are adding one of the Best DT in the game (when healthy) and also a fully 100% and improving linemate in McCargo next to him

We have a healthy secondary now, Ko and Whitner will be a hell of an improvement of leonard or Wilson also returning ur starters at CB and adding depth players like Scott and Fox are solid, Youboty and James are not bums either

We have added quality depth in Spencer Johnson who can hold up against the run and is adequate at pass rushing as well

Most improtantly we have healthy LBers Poz, Mitchell, Angelo will be able to blitz now, and play closer to the line of scrimmage as well as run stunts and different Zone schemes that actually make our defense alot less predictable and keep the oppossing TEs and RBs honest

Also all of this draws the double team away from our premeire pass rusher in Schobel, Stroud really demands a double team all day, and McCargo is being to show signs of why he is a former 1st rd pick

Add to this the philosphy of the Bills FO, they have alot fo money right now tied up in our DLine, Stroud, McCargo, Johnson, Denney, Schobel, Kelsay all being paid starter money and u expect the bills to take a DE at 11? No way

I dont think so, now the best pick in the world at 11 mite not be WR, but we also have the 30th ranked offense to go along with ur 29th in sacks, now dont u think if we put up more points on offense, it puts the opposition into must score mode, and puts our defense in the position to attack not defend

When a team is losing a game they abandon the run and they pass pass pass which intern opens up the rushers, and with Stroud in there that takes the double teams off our DEs, now i said before and i will say it again we need to add here but not the 11th pick

Like it or not we got our starters for the forseeable future,

Look up and down the roster were is the most glaring need for a Starter

WR bro!Ding!Ding!Ding! we have the real winner!

[baalworship]

We can also find a pass-rushing specialist in another round besides the first...

[TedMock]

We were 29th in sacks last year for more reasons then our DEs

Aaron Schobel had 14.5 sacks 2 seasons ago
he had 6.5 his lowest total since his rookie year last year
With improvements at DT, Schobel will be back to form

Chri kelsay was hobled by injuries all season
Ryan Denney same thing
they r healthy

No pass rush form the LBers and no blitz packages cause we had half our Defense on IR

Stop looking so much into stats and look into the reasons for the drop off

We have a healthy Dline now, and you are adding one of the Best DT in the game (when healthy) and also a fully 100% and improving linemate in McCargo next to him

We have a healthy secondary now, Ko and Whitner will be a hell of an improvement of leonard or Wilson also returning ur starters at CB and adding depth players like Scott and Fox are solid, Youboty and James are not bums either

We have added quality depth in Spencer Johnson who can hold up against the run and is adequate at pass rushing as well

Most improtantly we have healthy LBers Poz, Mitchell, Angelo will be able to blitz now, and play closer to the line of scrimmage as well as run stunts and different Zone schemes that actually make our defense alot less predictable and keep the oppossing TEs and RBs honest

Also all of this draws the double team away from our premeire pass rusher in Schobel, Stroud really demands a double team all day, and McCargo is being to show signs of why he is a former 1st rd pick

Add to this the philosphy of the Bills FO, they have alot fo money right now tied up in our DLine, Stroud, McCargo, Johnson, Denney, Schobel, Kelsay all being paid starter money and u expect the bills to take a DE at 11? No way

I dont think so, now the best pick in the world at 11 mite not be WR, but we also have the 30th ranked offense to go along with ur 29th in sacks, now dont u think if we put up more points on offense, it puts the opposition into must score mode, and puts our defense in the position to attack not defend

When a team is losing a game they abandon the run and they pass pass pass which intern opens up the rushers, and with Stroud in there that takes the double teams off our DEs, now i said before and i will say it again we need to add here but not the 11th pick

Like it or not we got our starters for the forseeable future,

Look up and down the roster were is the most glaring need for a Starter

WR bro!

These are all great points, but don't you think we could get a very solid number 2 WR in the 2nd round? If we honestly feel that Evans is gone after his contract, I completely understand going WR in the first. Otherwise, I think BPA is the way to go regardless of position (okay, to an extent). I wouldn't be disappointed going WR in the first, but I wouldn't be any happier than landing a top flight CB or DL, for example. I just think that if we are really looking for a number 2, we can get him after the first round. If we are looking for a pure number 1, we may have to go in the first, but the talent level this year isn't showing us any pure number 1's. That could change once we look back at this draft, but right now, I see a bunch of very good 2's and 3's out there.

[bigbub2352]

These are all great points, but don't you think we could get a very solid number 2 WR in the 2nd round? If we honestly feel that Evans is gone after his contract, I completely understand going WR in the first. Otherwise, I think BPA is the way to go regardless of position (okay, to an extent). I wouldn't be disappointed going WR in the first, but I wouldn't be any happier than landing a top flight CB or DL, for example. I just think that if we are really looking for a number 2, we can get him after the first round. If we are looking for a pure number 1, we may have to go in the first, but the talent level this year isn't showing us any pure number 1's. That could change once we look back at this draft, but right now, I see a bunch of very good 2's and 3's out there.

you could say that about all the CBs in this draft rated the top 5, they are mostly small school products and never been tested by anyone, i agree DLine depth is an issue, but the panick about the pass rush has been addressed by the FO.

We havent drafted a WR since Evans early, and we havent really drafted a WR period since him, if Trent Edwards is the answer ( and i think he is) he needs weapons and at this stage in his development he needs to grow with Evans in his prime and no gurantee he is signing a EXT, i personally think that he is waiting to see what happens this year via draft and probably via success under Trent to base his decision if he is gonna make this is permananet home

Seeing what WRs got this year in FA, obviously other teams think they are improtant too

We need talent on O way worse then we need depth on D

Remember the position everyone is talking about DE, and Cb our team has starters returning, and we also have depth at both positions already

we is the glaring need for a starter WR, we pick 11, do u want a depth player at 11 or a starter? that is the question no one has asked on this board yet

Trent needs weapons,
the D needs depth with this being such a CB depth worthy draft dont u think u can get ur CB in rd 3 or with an extra 4, just like people are saying about WR
sorry i will take Devin THomas on a reach at 11, or Limas Sweed on a trade down if Devin is gone, all day over a small school CB or a backup DE

[justasportsfan]

Trent needs weapons,
some people think that qb's don't.




Inspite of the injuries and lack of beef in the middle, the D carried the O last year. At some point we will need the O to stop depending on the D to score points and win games for us. After all, scoring points is their primary job. Not the D's.

[TedMock]

you could say that about all the CBs in this draft rated the top 5, they are mostly small school products and never been tested by anyone, i agree DLine depth is an issue, but the panick about the pass rush has been addressed by the FO.

We havent drafted a WR since Evans early, and we havent really drafted a WR period since him, if Trent Edwards is the answer ( and i think he is) he needs weapons and at this stage in his development he needs to grow with Evans in his prime and no gurantee he is signing a EXT, i personally think that he is waiting to see what happens this year via draft and probably via success under Trent to base his decision if he is gonna make this is permananet home

Seeing what WRs got this year in FA, obviously other teams think they are improtant too

We need talent on O way worse then we need depth on D

Remember the position everyone is talking about DE, and Cb our team has starters returning, and we also have depth at both positions already

we is the glaring need for a starter WR, we pick 11, do u want a depth player at 11 or a starter? that is the question no one has asked on this board yet

Trent needs weapons,
the D needs depth with this being such a CB depth worthy draft dont u think u can get ur CB in rd 3 or with an extra 4, just like people are saying about WR
sorry i will take Devin THomas on a reach at 11, or Limas Sweed on a trade down if Devin is gone, all day over a small school CB or a backup DE

I agree 100% that the offense needs help and that WR and TE are our most pressing needs. I think they will be addressed early - in rounds 2 and 3. I just think that there is enough depth at those positions to go that route. Same could be said for CB, you are right about that. I just think there are 4 elite, CB's, 3 elite DE's, etc. I don't know if there are any elite WR's. Of course, I would be very happy with Devin Thomas on the team. Make no mistake about it.

[bigbub2352]

I agree 100% that the offense needs help and that WR and TE are our most pressing needs. I think they will be addressed early - in rounds 2 and 3. I just think that there is enough depth at those positions to go that route. Same could be said for CB, you are right about that. I just think there are 4 elite, CB's, 3 elite DE's, etc. I don't know if there are any elite WR's. Of course, I would be very happy with Devin Thomas on the team. Make no mistake about it.

When it is all said and done, most of the Elite prospects never make much of an impact in the NFL they are only Elite cause Mayock or Kiper said they are, we just dont know that is why NE is so good, they dont draft BPA, they draft to fill a need sometimes looked at as a reach like Logan Mankins for example,

We need upgrades on O, i dont know if any WR prospect is elite but it is better than Price and Reed as your only options next to Evans

he needs help as does Royal
Devin Thomas at 11 or on a trade down
Bennett or Davis in rd 2 and i am a happy camper
Throw in Schmitt in the 4th

and in my opinion our O just made strides

[coastal]

If I see "high motor" anymore I'm going to puke.

It ranks up there with "stud linemen".

Gay.

[coastal]

btw... even though I think Devin Thomas is the next coming, I would lvoe to see us draft Derrick Harvey and then turn around and draft Reggie Smith in round 2.

I'd love to have a badass D back in Buffalo again.

Improved playcalling alone will get us into the playoffs.

[raphael120]

It's not our biggest need.

And CB is? Sorry but for a defense that ranked so bad, every place on our D is a need.

[HHURRICANE]

If Calvin Johnson was the pick at #11 we wouldn't be having this argument. He's not. It was Kelly, than Sweed, than Manningham and now this week Thomas is definately the guy we should take at #11.

There isn't a WR worthy of #11 in this year's draft and everyone on this board knows it.

I never said that DE was the biggest need. All I'm saying is that Harvey is worthy of the #11 pick and Thomas is not. Why not be patient? Who's to say that we wait and get Sweed in round #2 and he turns out to be the better guy?

[Philagape]

Whether a player is worth a certain pick won't be known for years. A team shouldn't be pigeonholed into certain players because of where it picks.

[acehole]

I said all of this in another post. It is not out of the question and makes some sense but not the Bills MO....


The Giants proved that it is. Every team will be making improvements to get there sack totals up and get pressure on the QB. Considering we play the Pats twice a year you would think that we would see this consiering the Giants gave us the blue print for beating this team.

[acehole]

And CB is? Sorry but for a defense that ranked so bad, every place on our D is a need.

In theory a good cb helps the pass rush with coverage sacks...

[justasportsfan]

And CB is? Sorry but for a defense that ranked so bad, every place on our D is a need.
nope, offense is. Like I said, the D carried the O last year inspite of it's problems. You are forgetting that we brought in FA's and our players are all healthy now. Time to add players to the weakest link/unit on this team. The O. Aren't you tired of fg's?

I've been called a JP licker but yet I'm screaming for more weapons for Trent.
The cowboys game showed us which unit is in dire need of help.

People say the bills overachieved inspite of it's injureis. we overachived because of the D , not because of the O. If the O was even ranked 20, we would've made playoffs or at least we would've beaten the broncos and cowboys.

[kernowboy]

The question is does Harvey justify a No11 pick? Is he much better than Groves who is predicted to go at the bottom of R1/top of R2 ...?

Personally I think we can draft out of R1, and fill all our needs in R2 if we can do a great trade with Atlanta for their 3x R2 picks and select our no2 WR, TE, CB and maybe a DE/DT like Dre Moore. We can get a C in R3 and still have the chance of a DE or two on Day2

Trevor Scott of the Bulls is relatively inexperiened but had a good senior season and pro day ....... there are several R4 ends and below who have excelled ....

[HHURRICANE]

The question is does Harvey justify a No11 pick? Is he much better than Groves who is predicted to go at the bottom of R1/top of R2 ...?

Personally I think we can draft out of R1, and fill all our needs in R2 if we can do a great trade with Atlanta for their 3x R2 picks and select our no2 WR, TE, CB and maybe a DE/DT like Dre Moore. We can get a C in R3 and still have the chance of a DE or two on Day2

Trevor Scott of the Bulls is relatively inexperiened but had a good senior season and pro day ....... there are several R4 ends and below who have excelled ....

As long as we don't take any WR at #11 I'm happy. I could live with the above scenario.

This week everyone is big Thomas fans. Well he's a great athlete but he's not a very good route runner.

Everbody wants to ignore this but when he's not open or Trent is getting picked off because Thomas isn't where the ball is supposed to be than we'll see how critical it was to take this guy at #11.

[mybills]

Stroud is now the fix?
Is that your opinion, or did one Bills Drive announce that?
Seriously, I'm just asking.

[mybills]

bump

[bigbub2352]

HH, how can u say someone who runs a 4.4 at 220lbs and is 6ft 2 and had 79 catches last yeaar for a big time cold weather program is the pick of the week?

I have been saying take Devin Thomas for 2months now, i originally wanted Kelly or Sweed, but after watching this kid play and his YAC ability he reminds me of a bigger faster Andre Reed type,

I am more in favor of trading out of 11 and taking him, but if it doesnt present itself, you know as well as i do that no one is a sure bet not even any of these suboar DEs either, this draft is full of guys that got talent but really i think there is only 2-3 Elite sure fire prospects in this whole draft class

I am just sick of not scoring AT ALL

We need to add playmakers and Thomas is exactly that, fits our offense to a T. i just think we need a starter over a 4th man in a DE rotation

[HHURRICANE]

HH, how can u say someone who runs a 4.4 at 220lbs and is 6ft 2 and had 79 catches last yeaar for a big time cold weather program is the pick of the week?

I have been saying take Devin Thomas for 2months now, i originally wanted Kelly or Sweed, but after watching this kid play and his YAC ability he reminds me of a bigger faster Andre Reed type,

I am more in favor of trading out of 11 and taking him, but if it doesnt present itself, you know as well as i do that no one is a sure bet not even any of these suboar DEs either, this draft is full of guys that got talent but really i think there is only 2-3 Elite sure fire prospects in this whole draft class

I am just sick of not scoring AT ALL

We need to add playmakers and Thomas is exactly that, fits our offense to a T. i just think we need a starter over a 4th man in a DE rotation

I was addressing the board in general. Props if you were saying Thomas all along and as it stands right now he is the front runner.

I agree that WR is our #1 priority. I keep saying it. I think Thomas is a good pick, just not at #11. He is not a great route runner. Hell, most rookies struggle to run routes. I am mad that the Bills didn't sign a veteran to take some pressure off of our pick.

We should have taken Ngata 2 years ago but we were in the same crappy position that we are now. Take Whitner because we don't have anybody on the roster. Sorry, but sometimes you have to be mindful of investing in your future.

If you believe that Thomas is worth the number 11 pick than you'll be happy. I've seen two mocks where he is being taken at #28 behind Sweed and Jackson.

I personally like to use the 11th pick on a guy that is worthy of the position. Thomas, IMO, is not, and I have yet to see anyone argue that point. He's a stretch pick, like it or not.

[Philagape]

Mock drafts are the turds crapped by turds. They are beyond worthless.

[bigbub2352]

I was addressing the board in general. Props if you were saying Thomas all along and as it stands right now he is the front runner.

I agree that WR is our #1 priority. I keep saying it. I think Thomas is a good pick, just not at #11. He is not a great route runner. Hell, most rookies struggle to run routes. I am mad that the Bills didn't sign a veteran to take some pressure off of our pick.

We should have taken Ngata 2 years ago but we were in the same crappy position that we are now. Take Whitner because we don't have anybody on the roster. Sorry, but sometimes you have to be mindful of investing in your future.

If you believe that Thomas is worth the number 11 pick than you'll be happy. I've seen two mocks where he is being taken at #28 behind Sweed and Jackson.

I personally like to use the 11th pick on a guy that is worthy of the position. Thomas, IMO, is not, and I have yet to see anyone argue that point. He's a stretch pick, like it or not.

I dont think he is "worth" the 11th pick but sometimes u reach for players u like, ur point about Whitner at 8, same thing that is why i have said all along that they are taking a WR

I believe the FO will do what they want and have done it in the past

I couldnt agree more about Ngata, wanted him forever as well

Just saying We need alot more help on O then D

My personal preferance is to trade down and take THomas,

It doent really matter cause we dont know and are argueing over something we have no control over lol
But its fun isnt it

[xXSpIkes5IXx]

In 2006, we were tied for 8th in the NFL in sacks.

With the very same defensive end rotation we had last season.

So HHURRICANE the reason we dont need a first round defensive end is that stat above. Our defense was strapped for personnel, plus our probowl end had an off year. Getting guys healthy, plus adding stroud and mitchell will get our pass rush back to where it should be.

[Marvelous]

Kelsay is A-ok w/ me & is #2 on my jersey list behind Crowell...And all i own right now of actives is Schobel...

-Kelsay is fine by me without having probowl upside..He's a 25 mill player who plays all out...I'm attempting to download the whole season & if succesful i'll post the games to rewatch for Kelsay sightings heh :)

-I DO expect more from Schobel this season though.. The only way i upgrade Schobel is if we could swindle the Phins to trading us Jason Taylor for a 2nd rounder or less & move either he or Schobel to LE w/ Denney & Kelsay providing amazing depth...
---While im talking trade::why not send NY a 2nd for Shockey? he's better then anyone we can draft in any round this year. + he's a former "great white hype"

--Pat, whataya think about Shcokley here bro?

[HHURRICANE]

In 2006, we were tied for 8th in the NFL in sacks.

With the very same defensive end rotation we had last season.

So HHURRICANE the reason we dont need a first round defensive end is that stat above. Our defense was strapped for personnel, plus our probowl end had an off year. Getting guys healthy, plus adding stroud and mitchell will get our pass rush back to where it should be.

All our sacks came from Culpepper in one game. Check it out.

[HAMMER]

As you all know you win and lose at the LOS. You can never have too many good players on either line. I wouldn't care if we drafted either Harvey or B. Albert. Either one would make this team better than these half ass WR's. People keep mentioning Stroud but seem to bypass Spencer Johnson, I think you will be pleasantly surprised at what he contributes. The CB can wait, we are in better shape with our starters than people want to believe. We need a CB for depth, that can be had in the fourth round. DE, WR, TE, CB, OG, FB, QB is how I would like to see it play out.

[TacklingDummy]

Why is taking Harvey a luxury pick?

We were 29th in sacks. Stroud is now the fix?

Interesting.

Maybe the Bills should switch the super athletic JP Losman to DE.

[justasportsfan]

Maybe the Bills should switch the super athletic JP Losman to DE.


Wow, you were goated by HH ?

When you weren't posting over the weekend, there was hardly any qb controversy on the board.Now it's clear who's the obssessed one.