Ralph created a problem that never existed.

[HHURRICANE]

I have to give the greedy little **** some credit. He brilliantly created a problem that never existed.

The team makes money every year and he ranks in the top 3rd of the league for his net income derived from the Bills.

But the teams long term viability is at risk? We have always been in the top 10 for attendance. And the team makes a profit every year?

Plain and simple people. The team is worth about 200 million dollars more in LA or Tornoto. This is all a smoke screen for selling the team out and lining his families pockets.

[YardRat]

Show me a link or any documentation that indicates the team is actually making a net profit of any substance.

[HHURRICANE]

You pay taxes on your net operating income. He went from 12th to 10th after he paid his taxes.

[Mitchy moo]

We make money, there is no problem.

[venis2k1]

the whalers made money too.

[YardRat]

You pay taxes on your net operating income. He went from 12th to 10th after he paid his taxes.

Where is this '10th' ranking? I haven't been able to find it, but would be interested in seeing it.

[Mr. Pink]

Actually the Bills are 7th in operating income....

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_NFL-Team-Valuations_Income.html

But 27th in Revenue.

BTW The Colts? They're 31st in Revenue.

[ddaryl]

yes I agree.. Ralph wants to line his families pockets with as much $$$ as possible.

and I think that is a real greedy crappy thing to do considering how much the franchise will have made him by the time he sells...

So the Bills made 34.6 million after expenses for the 2006 season. It will be interesting to see what the #'s are from last year.



here are the numbers for revenue

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(http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Washington-Redskins_300925.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>1,467 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>3 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>16 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>312 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>66.0 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>3 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>New England Patriots (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_New-England-Patriots_307338.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>1,199 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>2 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>25 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>255 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>34.9 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>1 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Dallas Cowboys (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Dallas-Cowboys_300988.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>1,500 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>28 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>42 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>242 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>4.3 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>4 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Houston Texans (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Houston-Texans_302019.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>1,056 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>1 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>28 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>225 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>25.9 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>5 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Philadelphia Eagles (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Philadelphia-Eagles_301623.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>1,052 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>3 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>17 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>224 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>25.7 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>15 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Miami Dolphins (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Miami-Dolphins_303017.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>942 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>3 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>37 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>215 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>11.2 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>6 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Denver Broncos (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Denver-Broncos_308211.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>994 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>2 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>20 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>212 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>15.9 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>7 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Chicago Bears (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Chicago-Bears_301335.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>984 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>4 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>19 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>209 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>36.9 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>9 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Cleveland Browns (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Cleveland-Browns_307074.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>969 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>0 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>10 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>206 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>20.6 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>11 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Baltimore Ravens (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Baltimore-Ravens_309106.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>965 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>2 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>28 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>205 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>1.0 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>12 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Tampa Bay Buccaneers (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Tampa-Bay-Buccaneers_306470.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>963 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>1 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>15 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>205 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>39.5 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>14 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Carolina Panthers (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Carolina-Panthers_309456.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>956 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>2 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>13 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>203 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>2.5 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>16 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Pittsburgh-Steelers_305046.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>929 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>6 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>8 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>198 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>20.0 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>17 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Green Bay Packers (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Green-Bay-Packers_302814.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>927 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>2 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>4 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>197 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>20.3 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>13 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Kansas City Chiefs (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Kansas-City-Chiefs_309072.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>960 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>7 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>14 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>196 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>35.2 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>18 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Tennessee Titans (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Tennessee-Titans_308897.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>922 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>4 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>14 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>196 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>24.2</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=bottom align=middle><TD class=headerow>Rank (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_NFL-Team-Valuations_Rank.html)</TD><TD class=headerow>Team (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_NFL-Team-Valuations_MetroArea.html)</TD><TD class=headerow>Current Value ($mil) (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_NFL-Team-Valuations_Value.html)</TD><TD class=headerow>1-Yr Value Change (%) (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_NFL-Team-Valuations_YrChange.html)</TD><TD class=headerow>Debt/Value (%) (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_NFL-Team-Valuations_DOV.html)</TD><TD class=headerow>Revenue ($mil)</TD><TD class=headerow>Operating Income ($mil) (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_NFL-Team-Valuations_Income.html)</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>19 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Seattle Seahawks (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Seattle-Seahawks_309349.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>921 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>4 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>13 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>196 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>-2.6 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>8 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>New York Giants (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_New-York-Giants_304328.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>974 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>9 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>67 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>195 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>10.7 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>20 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Cincinnati Bengals (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Cincinnati-Bengals_306869.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>912 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>11 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>11 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>194 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>11.7 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>25 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>New Orleans Saints (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_New-Orleans-Saints_309939.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>854 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>16 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>15 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>194 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>25.2 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>10 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>New York Jets (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_New-York-Jets_304841.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>967 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>10 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>67 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>193 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>26.4 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>22 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>St Louis Rams (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_St-Louis-Rams_307693.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>908 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>8 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>4 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>193 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>17.9 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>26 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>San Diego Chargers (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_San-Diego-Chargers_308205.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>826 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>13 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>12 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>192 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>19.2 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>23 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Arizona Cardinals (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Arizona-Cardinals_309893.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>888 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>13 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>17 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>189 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>4.6 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>24 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Detroit Lions (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Detroit-Lions_300486.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>870 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>4 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>40 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>189 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>-1.8 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>27 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Buffalo Bills (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Buffalo-Bills_301765.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>821 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>9 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>9 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>189 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>34.6 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>28 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Oakland Raiders (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Oakland-Raiders_300874.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>812 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>10 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>7 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>189 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>46.2 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>29 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Jacksonville Jaguars (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Jacksonville-Jaguars_306892.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>811 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>9 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>14 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>189 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>22.1 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>30 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>San Francisco 49ers (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_San-Francisco-49ers_307075.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>799 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>9 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>13 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>186 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>9.9 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>31 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Atlanta Falcons (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Atlanta-Falcons_300786.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>796 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>9 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>34 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>185 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>-3.4 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>21 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Indianapolis Colts (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Indianapolis-Colts_309104.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>911 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>9 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>11 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>184 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>-17.3 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>32 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Minnesota Vikings (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Minnesota-Vikings_309201.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>782 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>9 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>40 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>182 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>-19.1 </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

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here are the numbers for operating income

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(http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Washington-Redskins_300925.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>1,467 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>3 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>16 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>312 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>66.0 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>28 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Oakland Raiders (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Oakland-Raiders_300874.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>812 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>10 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>7 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>189 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>46.2 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>12 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Tampa Bay Buccaneers (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Tampa-Bay-Buccaneers_306470.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>963 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>1 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>15 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>205 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>39.5 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>7 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Chicago Bears (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Chicago-Bears_301335.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>984 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>4 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>19 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>209 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>36.9 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>13 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Kansas City Chiefs (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Kansas-City-Chiefs_309072.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>960 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>7 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>14 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>196 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>35.2 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>3 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>New England Patriots (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_New-England-Patriots_307338.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>1,199 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>2 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>25 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>255 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>34.9 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>27 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Buffalo Bills (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Buffalo-Bills_301765.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>821 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>9 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>9 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>189 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>34.6 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>10 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>New York Jets (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_New-York-Jets_304841.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>967 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>10 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>67 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>193 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>26.4 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>4 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Houston Texans (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Houston-Texans_302019.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>1,056 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>1 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>28 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>225 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>25.9 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>5 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Philadelphia Eagles (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Philadelphia-Eagles_301623.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>1,052 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>3 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>17 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>224 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>25.7 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>25 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>New Orleans Saints (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_New-Orleans-Saints_309939.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>854 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>16 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>15 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>194 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>25.2 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>18 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Tennessee Titans (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Tennessee-Titans_308897.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>922 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>4 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>14 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>196 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>24.2 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>29 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Jacksonville Jaguars (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Jacksonville-Jaguars_306892.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>811 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>9 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>14 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>189 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>22.1 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>9 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Cleveland Browns (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Cleveland-Browns_307074.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>969 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>0 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>10 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>206 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>20.6 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>17 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Green Bay Packers (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Green-Bay-Packers_302814.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>927 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>2 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>4 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>197 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>20.3 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>16 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Pittsburgh-Steelers_305046.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>929 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>6 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>8 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>198 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>20.0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=bottom align=middle><TD class=headerow>Rank (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_NFL-Team-Valuations_Rank.html)</TD><TD class=headerow>Team (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_NFL-Team-Valuations_MetroArea.html)</TD><TD class=headerow>Current Value ($mil) (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_NFL-Team-Valuations_Value.html)</TD><TD class=headerow>1-Yr Value Change (%) (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_NFL-Team-Valuations_YrChange.html)</TD><TD class=headerow>Debt/Value (%) (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_NFL-Team-Valuations_DOV.html)</TD><TD class=headerow>Revenue ($mil) (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_NFL-Team-Valuations_Revenue.html)</TD><TD class=headerow>Operating Income ($mil)</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>26 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>San Diego Chargers (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_San-Diego-Chargers_308205.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>826 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>13 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>12 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>192 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>19.2 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>22 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>St Louis Rams (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_St-Louis-Rams_307693.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>908 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>8 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>4 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>193 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>17.9 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>6 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Denver Broncos (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Denver-Broncos_308211.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>994 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>2 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>20 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>212 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>15.9 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>20 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Cincinnati Bengals (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Cincinnati-Bengals_306869.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>912 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>11 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>11 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>194 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>11.7 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>15 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Miami Dolphins (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Miami-Dolphins_303017.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>942 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>3 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>37 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>215 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>11.2 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>8 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>New York Giants (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_New-York-Giants_304328.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>974 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>9 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>67 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>195 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>10.7 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>30 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>San Francisco 49ers (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_San-Francisco-49ers_307075.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>799 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>9 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>13 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>186 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>9.9 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>23 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Arizona Cardinals (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Arizona-Cardinals_309893.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>888 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>13 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>17 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>189 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>4.6 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>1 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Dallas Cowboys (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Dallas-Cowboys_300988.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>1,500 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>28 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>42 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>242 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>4.3 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>14 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Carolina Panthers (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Carolina-Panthers_309456.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>956 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>2 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>13 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>203 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>2.5 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>11 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Baltimore Ravens (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Baltimore-Ravens_309106.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>965 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>2 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>28 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>205 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>1.0 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>24 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Detroit Lions (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Detroit-Lions_300486.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>870 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>4 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>40 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>189 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>-1.8 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>19 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Seattle Seahawks (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Seattle-Seahawks_309349.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>921 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>4 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>13 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>196 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>-2.6 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>31 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Atlanta Falcons (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Atlanta-Falcons_300786.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>796 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>9 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>34 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>185 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>-3.4 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>21 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Indianapolis Colts (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Indianapolis-Colts_309104.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>911 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>9 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>11 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>184 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>-17.3 </TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD class=rowcolor align=middle>32 </TD><TD class=rowcolor noWrap>Minnesota Vikings (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Minnesota-Vikings_309201.html)</TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>782 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>9 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>40 </TD><TD class=rowcolor align=right>182 </TD><TD class=highlight align=right>-19.1 </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[BillyT92679]

Honestly, do we need to see thread after thread about how horrible Ralph is? Like it or not, he's the owner of the team. These threads after a while serve no purpose other than to vent. Okay so Ralph is maximizing revenue and the team has been lousy. If I find it really problematic then the only logical course is to no longer support the team. What am I going to do, picket One Bills Drive? They are a private enterprise, they can be run whatever way they want. And it's your and my choice to support them or not. Right now I will continue to support them. Either support them or not. It's really more black and white than people want to give credit for.

[Goobylal]

I have to give the greedy little **** some credit. He brilliantly created a problem that never existed.

The team makes money every year and he ranks in the top 3rd of the league for his net income derived from the Bills.

But the teams long term viability is at risk? We have always been in the top 10 for attendance. And the team makes a profit every year?

Plain and simple people. The team is worth about 200 million dollars more in LA or Tornoto. This is all a smoke screen for selling the team out and lining his families pockets.
What are you not getting here? Ralph has NO DEBT when it comes to the team or stadium. Therefore he makes decent NET income. A new owner will need to plunk down $800M to buy the team and since he'll have that debt, the net income will be much lower, if not negative depending on what he spends on coaches and players.

And if you think Ralph can sell it at a discount to someone, get real. The NFL needs to approve any sale, because the other teams' values get affected. The only thing Ralph could have done was sell the team about a decade and a half ago, before the explosion in prices.

Oh and there's a relocation fee that owners must pay, which is in the $200M range currently. So it's not as easy as buying it and moving it.

[YardRat]

I still don't give a **** what the operating income is...it sure as hell doesn't equal what Ralph is putting in his pocket.

[HAMMER]

Piss and moan, piss and moan. Good God it is old.

[jamze132]

Quite frankly, I'm sick of all the Ralph Wilson slams. :oops:

[TedMock]

I still don't give a **** what the operating income is...it sure as hell doesn't equal what Ralph is putting in his pocket.

That's a very important figure when doing even a basic valuation. Yes, interest, taxes, amortization, depreciation are not icluded, but these are figures that can be manipulated. For our purposes, operating income is what we have to go on. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but a blanket statement like this makes zero sense when we're really talking about the business side of this game. The fact is that this is not a public company, so we may not be privy to how Ralph reports and changes his scheduling every year. We also know that he has two sets of financials - 1 for the regulators (IRS) and one for valuation. He'll account for these numbers in different ways depending on what his objective is. Operating income is important.

[HHURRICANE]

the whalers made money too.

I lived in Farmington, CT when they left so this is not a true statement. They were only getting 10,000 fans per game. I loved the Whalers but this statement is not true.

[HHURRICANE]

What are you not getting here? Ralph has NO DEBT when it comes to the team or stadium. Therefore he makes decent NET income. A new owner will need to plunk down $800M to buy the team and since he'll have that debt, the net income will be much lower, if not negative depending on what he spends on coaches and players.

And if you think Ralph can sell it at a discount to someone, get real. The NFL needs to approve any sale, because the other teams' values get affected. The only thing Ralph could have done was sell the team about a decade and a half ago, before the explosion in prices.

Oh and there's a relocation fee that owners must pay, which is in the $200M range currently. So it's not as easy as buying it and moving it.

Can Ralph get $800 million leaving the team in Buffalo? Yes. The new owners will certainly be aware that they will need to do things differently. New stadium, etc.

Has Ralph said that he can't get what he wants for the team leaving it in Buffalo? No.

That's the irony that everyone is missing here.

I love the Bills. Ralph will destroy a community by setting up the team to move. So I'm supposed to not rip on him or make people upset? Maybe people should get upset and start demanding that the team stays.

The Bills are an industry too. Maybe people in Buffalo just want to keep losing business after business. I guess the man has won.

[HHURRICANE]

That's a very important figure when doing even a basic valuation. Yes, interest, taxes, amortization, depreciation are not icluded, but these are figures that can be manipulated. For our purposes, operating income is what we have to go on. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but a blanket statement like this makes zero sense when we're really talking about the business side of this game. The fact is that this is not a public company, so we may not be privy to how Ralph reports and changes his scheduling every year. We also know that he has two sets of financials - 1 for the regulators (IRS) and one for valuation. He'll account for these numbers in different ways depending on what his objective is. Operating income is important.

Thank you for this post. I actually run a company here in Atlanta and look at numbers like this everyday. I believe interest would be already accounted for in net operating income.

What Ralph makes after taxes is irrelevant. He is still going to be around #7 after taxes which is just plain ridiculous. Ralph has his "old person sense of entitlement" mode working overtime. Those young whipper snappers are ruining a good thing. The difference is that they have other businessess and don't have to rely on the income of their NFL franchise. Ralph does.

[Jayhawk]

boy I can't wait for the season to start, these Ralph threads are getting annoying.

[YardRat]

That's a very important figure when doing even a basic valuation. Yes, interest, taxes, amortization, depreciation are not icluded, but these are figures that can be manipulated. For our purposes, operating income is what we have to go on. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but a blanket statement like this makes zero sense when we're really talking about the business side of this game. The fact is that this is not a public company, so we may not be privy to how Ralph reports and changes his scheduling every year. We also know that he has two sets of financials - 1 for the regulators (IRS) and one for valuation. He'll account for these numbers in different ways depending on what his objective is. Operating income is important.

I don't believe I ever stated OI wasn't an important figure, but it isn't the bottom line, either. If you, or anybody, takes that figure and transposes it to the $'s that Wilson is pocketing or treating it like a bottom-line, real dollars and cents profit then I can't help you...go for it.

It's a number on an accountant's spreadsheet, not a deposit slip in the bank.

[ddaryl]

And if you think Ralph can sell it at a discount to someone, get real. The NFL needs to approve any sale, because the other teams' values get affected. The only thing Ralph could have done was sell the team about a decade and a half ago, before the explosion in prices.

Oh and there's a relocation fee that owners must pay, which is in the $200M range currently. So it's not as easy as buying it and moving it.


But owners like Jerry Jones, Snyder and Kraft and drag the league in the other direction making it less accesible to more and more people.

I personally doubt that if the Bills were sold at a discount so they can stay in Buffalo that it would really hurt any teams bottom line.

and to a person who has a billion to spend on a football team an extra 200m is a piddance IMO....

I just can't stand the thought of the Bills not being in Buffalo regardless of the reality, and I'm not ok with Ralph miliking a couple extra 100m off of the Bills so his family can have extra wealth....

[Bill Brasky]

BTW The Colts? They're 31st in Revenue.

That will change this year with their new stadium

[Goobylal]

But owners like Jerry Jones, Snyder and Kraft and drag the league in the other direction making it less accesible to more and more people.

I personally doubt that if the Bills were sold at a discount so they can stay in Buffalo that it would really hurt any teams bottom line.

and to a person who has a billion to spend on a football team an extra 200m is a piddance IMO....

I just can't stand the thought of the Bills not being in Buffalo regardless of the reality, and I'm not ok with Ralph miliking a couple extra 100m off of the Bills so his family can have extra wealth....
Buffalo is the smallest TV market for a non-community-owned team. If they were a possible target for say LA, the other NFL owners wouldn't bat an eye at looking for the team to be sold to the highest bidder and moved there. I also wouldn't be surprised if they waived the relocation fee. The new guard cares only about money.

And as I have mentioned elsewhere, the team will have to be sold at close to market value, which is $800M or so. Compared to the revenue the team gets, it's a tiny, if not negative, ROI. The next step would be to raise prices across the board, and that will only serve to drive away more fans. I think a guy like Golisano might step in for a few years and try to make it work, possibly even doing what he's done with the Sabres and spend well below the salary cap. But then the team won't be that good, will it?