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  • Michael82
    Registered User
    • Jul 2002
    • 82328

    One thing I am a bit surprised about....

    When Marv was here, he stressed high character and didn't take a single bad character guy except for Anthony Hargrove. Now we have drafted WR James Hardy, who was arrested and had character issues. Sure it was all resolved and he says he is a changed man, but the reason he fell was because of those issues.

    Now they drafted Chris Ellis and apparently one of his weaknesses was his character. He was also arrested before and resisted arrest, didn't we already go thru that with Hargrove? I'm not complaining about it, I'm just curious. Does character still matter or has it moved down the list a bit, if the guy has enough talent? Personally I don't care. If Hardy overcomes his problems from when he was younger, I love the pick. Same thing with Ellis.

    Chris Ellis:

    Weaknesses:

    Needs to put on some weight...Repertoire of pass rush moves is limited...Instincts are just average..Will have some trouble shedding blocks...Not real powerful..May not be an every down player...Character is a concern...Durability may be an issue.

    Notes:

    Has torn the labrum in his right shoulder twice...Suspended in 2006 after he was arrested and charged with resisting arrest and obstructing justice...He isn't flashy but you can't argue with the results..Will be a fine pro as long as he stays healthy and keeps his head on straight..Might be a better prospect than Darryl Tapp was.
  • LtFinFan66
    Registered User
    • Mar 2005
    • 47199

    #2
    Re: One thing I am a bit surprised about....

    Sometimes you just have to go with talent. You guys don't see that fact when anyone else takes these guys but when you do... *POOF*.... the light comes on

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    • Luisito23
      Men Have Superbowl Gold, Legends Have Platinum Hearts!!!
      • Apr 2003
      • 7434

      #3
      Re: One thing I am a bit surprised about....

      We just wanna win Mikey...
      "Expect rejection, but expect more to overcome it."
      ***Marv Levy.***


      "Coach Levy is one of the most inspirational people that I have ever known."
      ***Thurman Thomas.***


      "You're not going to find a more classier, down-to-Earth person away from the field than Marv Levy. He's a guy who's pretty much made me what I am today as far as a professional player and a person."
      ***Jim Kelly***


      Marv Levy's Website

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      • Michael82
        Registered User
        • Jul 2002
        • 82328

        #4
        Re: One thing I am a bit surprised about....

        Originally posted by Luisito23
        We just wanna win Mikey...
        Good point!

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        • Jan Reimers
          Thank You, Terry and Kim, for Saving the Bills. Now, Work on the Sabres.
          • May 2003
          • 17353

          #5
          Re: One thing I am a bit surprised about....

          It seems like the Bills have researched these guys, and interviewed Hardy (not sure about Ellis), and are convinced that they have learned from their mistakes and have turned things around.

          Who really knows, though?
          Should have known, way back in 1960 when we drafted Richie Lucas Number 1, that this would be a long, hard ride. But who could have known it would be THIS bad?

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          • LtFinFan66
            Registered User
            • Mar 2005
            • 47199

            #6
            Re: One thing I am a bit surprised about....

            Originally posted by Mikey82
            Good point!
            See, it's a good point when you guys do it.

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            • Philagape
              WIN NOW
              • Jul 2002
              • 19432

              #7
              Re: One thing I am a bit surprised about....

              It'll be hard to top Hargrove's pepper spray adventure
              "It is better to be divided by truth than to be united by error." -- Martin Luther

              "Those who appease the crocodile will simply be eaten last." -- Winston Churchill

              2003 BZ Pick Em Champion
              2004 BZ Big Money League Champion

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              • Michael82
                Registered User
                • Jul 2002
                • 82328

                #8
                Re: One thing I am a bit surprised about....

                Originally posted by Philagape
                It'll be hard to top Hargrove's pepper spray adventure
                Yeah, that was fun!

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                • Philagape
                  WIN NOW
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 19432

                  #9
                  Re: One thing I am a bit surprised about....

                  You do gotta wonder if we would have taken these guys if Marv was still here
                  "It is better to be divided by truth than to be united by error." -- Martin Luther

                  "Those who appease the crocodile will simply be eaten last." -- Winston Churchill

                  2003 BZ Pick Em Champion
                  2004 BZ Big Money League Champion

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                  • Michael82
                    Registered User
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 82328

                    #10
                    Re: One thing I am a bit surprised about....

                    Originally posted by Philagape
                    You do gotta wonder if we would have taken these guys if Marv was still here
                    That's what I'm saying and I don't think so.

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                    • Luisito23
                      Men Have Superbowl Gold, Legends Have Platinum Hearts!!!
                      • Apr 2003
                      • 7434

                      #11
                      Re: One thing I am a bit surprised about....

                      Originally posted by LtFinFan66
                      See, it's a good point when you guys do it.

                      ...And Mikey...
                      "Expect rejection, but expect more to overcome it."
                      ***Marv Levy.***


                      "Coach Levy is one of the most inspirational people that I have ever known."
                      ***Thurman Thomas.***


                      "You're not going to find a more classier, down-to-Earth person away from the field than Marv Levy. He's a guy who's pretty much made me what I am today as far as a professional player and a person."
                      ***Jim Kelly***


                      Marv Levy's Website

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                      • Ingtar33
                        Dances With Buffaloes
                        • Sep 2002
                        • 15475

                        #12
                        Re: One thing I am a bit surprised about....

                        character helps the team overcome adversity.

                        our massive over achievement last year was in large part do to the moral fiber of the men Levy brought in last year.

                        I have to admit I'm not thrilled by the obvious turn away from character this year. I'm worried we'll lose some of our mental toughness and team unity. and start to underachieve.

                        just one or two cancers in the locker room is all it takes to pull a team apart, when things start to go poorly on the field.
                        My wife told me that if I had a dollar for every girl who found me unattractive, girls would find me VERY attractive.

                        MY WIFE SAID THAT!!!

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                        • Michael82
                          Registered User
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 82328

                          #13
                          Re: One thing I am a bit surprised about....

                          Originally posted by Ingtar33
                          character helps the team overcome adversity.

                          our massive over achievement last year was in large part do to the moral fiber of the men Levy brought in last year.

                          I have to admit I'm not thrilled by the obvious turn away from character this year. I'm worried we'll lose some of our mental toughness and team unity. and start to underachieve.

                          just one or two cancers in the locker room is all it takes to pull a team apart, when things start to go poorly on the field.
                          That's what I'm saying. The turn away from high character guys is very surprising, especially when Marv made it such a priority when he was here. You are also right about last year, they played hard and as a team after the Everett injury and ended up turning a crappy start into a pretty good season.

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                          • Romes
                            Registered User
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 5766

                            #14
                            Re: One thing I am a bit surprised about....

                            This reminds me of the comments that were made about Brad Butler on draft day a few years ago.
                            Originally posted by paladin warrior
                            RALPH is drove me nut.

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                            • Michael82
                              Registered User
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 82328

                              #15
                              Re: One thing I am a bit surprised about....

                              Originally posted by Romes
                              This reminds me of the comments that were made about Brad Butler on draft day a few years ago.
                              oh yeah, I remember that one.

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