Tight Ends

[Mr. Miyagi]

I was one of those people who were upset that we didn't grab a big name TE in the draft, among Bennett, Keller, Rucker, Carlson, Davis, etc. I felt we really needed some help at TE and a huge dude with catching ability would really help Edwards.

I had forgotten what we already have brought in in the offseason.

Courtney Anderson is 6'6" 270 lbs.
Teyo Johnson is 6'6" 260 lbs.

Robert Royal is no Tony Gonzalez, but he doesn't suck that bad.

Derek Fine could also compete.

I think we might be okay at that position.

[kernowboy]

I hope the Jets release Chris Baker

[DraftBoy]

That rationalizations have now begun...

[bigbub2352]

U forgot Tim Massaqoui and Derek Schouman

All and all hopefully we are in postion to grab a nice UDFA, or Vet release, i think Gaines leaving hurt us more than we want to admit, U never know what u got in Schouman and Fine, but it would have been nice to add a TE in this draft that can get down feild

[Jaybird]

good call on chris baker, he's a good pass catching TE

[The last buffalo fan]

I miss Pete M and Jay R. :ill:

[BlackMetalNinja]

I think that's the Bills' reasoning too... I'm not sure I really buy it at this point though. At least we got some receiver help for Trent though...

[casdhf]

We have the quantity part down, lets hope one steps up and plays.

[colin]

project type TEs are huge busts most of the time.

a 2nd or 3rd DOES NOT mean you have a good solid TE. fasano has done jack in dallas and plenty of other guys haven't panned out after going in the 2nd or 3rd.

just not that much talent at that position -- that's why i'm not mad about who we have. we got hardy who is our big RZ threat.

[Mr. Miyagi]

I miss Pete M and Jay R. :ill:
You're not allowed to miss them unless you could spell their last names.

[ddaryl]

A lot of the problem with our past TE production has been under utilization.

I believe Turk will have the TE's more involved.

[madness]

I miss Pete M and Jay R. :ill:

It's funny you said that because I just can't shake the fact the Fine kind of fits right into those same molds.

[ddaryl]

I miss Pete M and Jay R. :ill:


I thought they shot JR....


Metzellars was the best but I also liked Keith McKeller (it was keith wasn't it ?)

[Saratoga Slim]

project type TEs are huge busts most of the time.

a 2nd or 3rd DOES NOT mean you have a good solid TE. fasano has done jack in dallas and plenty of other guys haven't panned out after going in the 2nd or 3rd.

just not that much talent at that position -- that's why i'm not mad about who we have. we got hardy who is our big RZ threat.

now Fasano is off to do the same in Miami (at least I hope he continues to underperfrom for the fish).

[TacklingDummy]

Butch Rolle

[alohabillsfan]

Take a look at draft history and tell me the precentage of TE's worth a dam after round 2.


1 31 Greg Olsen Miami (Fla.) Chicago Bears
2 38 Zach Miller Arizona State Oakland Raiders
3 77 Matt Spaeth Minnesota Pittsburgh Steelers
4 129 Scott Chandler Iowa San Diego Chargers
4 133 Martrez Milner Georgia Atlanta Falcons
5 153 Kevin Boss Western Oregon New York Giants
5 155 Dante Rosario Oregon Carolina Panthers
5 162 Brent Celek Cincinnati Philadelphia Eagles
7 215 Ben Patrick Delaware Arizona Cardinals
7 216 Tyler Ecker Michigan Washington Redskins
7 231 Michael Allan Whitworth Kansas City Chiefs
7 243 Clark Harris Rutgers Green Bay Packers
2006 - Tight Ends
Rd Sel # Player School Team
1 6 Vernon Davis Maryland San Francisco 49ers
1 28 Marcedes Lewis UCLA Jacksonville Jaguars
2 46 Joe Klopfenstein Colorado St. Louis Rams
2 53 Anthony Fasano Notre Dame Dallas Cowboys
2 61 Tony Scheffler Western Michigan Denver Broncos
3 72 Leonard Pope Georgia Arizona Cardinals
3 86 David Thomas Texas New England Patriots
3 93 Dominique Byrd USC St. Louis Rams
4 98 Owen Daniels Wisconsin Houston Texans
5 150 Jason Pociask Wisconsin New York Jets
5 155 Jeff King Virginia Tech Carolina Panthers
5 166 Quinn Sypniewski Colorado Baltimore Ravens
5 167 Charles Davis Purdue Pittsburgh Steelers
6 175 Delanie Walker Central Missouri State San Francisco 49ers
6 202 T.J. Williams North Carolina State Tampa Bay Buccaneers
7 244 Tim Massaquoi Michigan Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2005 - Tight Ends
Rd Sel # Player School Team
1 30 Heath Miller Virginia Pittsburgh Steelers
3 71 Alex Smith Stanford Tampa Bay Buccaneers
3 86 Kevin Everett Miami (Fla.) Buffalo Bills
5 144 Jerome Collins Notre Dame St. Louis Rams
6 179 Bo Scaife Texas Tennessee Titans
6 198 Joel Dreessen Colorado State New York Jets
7 249 Billy Bajema Oklahoma State San Francisco 49ers
7 255 Andy Stokes William Penn New England Patriots
2004 - Tight Ends
Rd Sel # Player School Team
1 6 Kellen Winslow Miami (Fla.) Cleveland Browns
1 32 Benjamin Watson Georgia New England Patriots
2 40 Ben Troupe Florida Tennessee Titans
2 61 Kris Wilson Pittsburgh Kansas City Chiefs
3 68 Ben Hartsock Ohio State Indianapolis Colts
3 81 Chris Cooley Utah State Washington Redskins
4 109 Tim Euhus Oregon State Buffalo Bills
5 144 Sean Ryan Boston College Dallas Cowboys
6 169 Ryan Krause Nebraska-Omaha San Diego Chargers
6 181 Nate Lawrie Yale Tampa Bay Buccaneers
6 194 Matt Kranchick Penn State Pittsburgh Steelers
7 220 Jeff Dugan Maryland Minnesota Vikings
7 232 Michael Gaines Central Florida Carolina Panthers
7 237 Erik Jensen Iowa St. Louis Rams
7 241 Sean McHugh Penn State Tennessee Titans
7 245 Courtney Anderson San Jose State Oakland Raiders
2003 - Tight Ends
Rd Sel # Player School Team
1 24 Dallas Clark Iowa Indianapolis Colts
2 41 Bennie Joppru Michigan Houston Texans
2 61 L.J. Smith Rutgers Philadelphia Eagles
2 63 Teyo Johnson Stanford Oakland Raiders
3 69 Jason Witten Tennessee Dallas Cowboys
3 76 Mike Seidman UCLA Carolina Panthers
3 91 Visanthe Shiancoe Morgan State New York Giants
4 104 George Wrighster Oregon Jacksonville Jaguars
5 148 Dan Curley Eastern Washington St. Louis Rams
5 156 Donald Lee Mississippi State Miami Dolphins
5 161 Aaron Walker Florida San Francisco 49ers
7 223 Trent Smith Oklahoma Baltimore Ravens
7 234 Spencer Nead Brigham Young New England Patriots
7 254 Richard Angulo Western New Mexico St. Louis Rams
2002 - Tight Ends
Rd Sel # Player School Team
1 14 Jeremy Shockey Miami (Fla.) New York Giants
1 21 Daniel Graham Colorado New England Patriots
1 28 Jerramy Stevens Washington Seattle Seahawks
2 55 Doug Jolley Brigham Young Oakland Raiders
3 67 Matt Schobel Texas Christian Cincinnati Bengals
3 88 Chris Baker Michigan State New York Jets
4 103 Justin Peelle Oregon San Diego Chargers
4 114 Randy McMichael Georgia Miami Dolphins
4 118 Chris Luzar Virginia Jacksonville Jaguars
4 122 Darnell Sanders Ohio State Cleveland Browns
5 138 John Owens Notre Dame Detroit Lions
5 155 Terry Jones Alabama Baltimore Ravens
5 160 Robert Royal Louisiana State Washington Redskins
5 169 Ryan Hannam Northern Iowa Seattle Seahawks
6 174 Keith Heinrich Sam Houston State Carolina Panthers
6 191 Jeb Putzier Boise State Denver Broncos
6 196 John Gilmore Penn State New Orleans Saints
6 201 Mark Anelli Wisconsin San Francisco 49ers
6 210 Bryan Fletcher UCLA Chicago Bears
6 211 Bob Slowikowski Virginia Tech Dallas Cowboys
7 223 Mike Banks Iowa State Arizona Cardinals
7 230 Jeff Grau UCLA Washington Redskins
7 252 Matt Murphy Maryland Detroit Lions
2001 - Tight Ends
Rd Sel # Player School Team
1 31 Todd Heap Arizona State Baltimore Ravens
2 35 Alge Crumpler North Carolina Atlanta Falcons
3 66 Sean Brewer San Jose State Cincinnati Bengals
3 90 Shad Meier Kansas State Tennessee Titans
4 119 Jabari Holloway Notre Dame New England Patriots
4 129 Brandon Manumaleuna Arizona St. Louis Rams
5 141 Billy Baber Virginia Kansas City Chiefs
5 147 Tony Stewart Penn State Philadelphia Eagles
6 180 Arther Love South Carolina State New England Patriots
6 195 Dan O'Leary Notre Dame Buffalo Bills
6 198 David Martin Tennessee Green Bay Packers
7 224 Eric Johnson Yale San Francisco 49ers
7 227 Mike Roberg Idaho Carolina Panthers
2000 - Tight Ends
Rd Sel # Player School Team
1 14 Bubba Franks Miami (Fla.) Green Bay Packers
1 27 Anthony Becht West Virginia New York Jets
3 68 Erron Kinney Florida Tennessee Titans
3 87 Dustin Lyman Wake Forest Chicago Bears
4 110 Aaron Shea Michigan Cleveland Browns
5 141 Dave Stachelski Boise State New England Patriots
5 157 James Whalen Kentucky Tampa Bay Buccaneers
5 158 Austin Wheatley Iowa New Orleans Saints
5 164 Jay Tant Northwestern Arizona Cardinals
6 204 Jason Gavadza Kent State Pittsburgh Steelers
7 210 Brad St. Louis Missouri State Cincinnati Bengals
7 227 Mondriel Fulcher Miami (Fla.) Oakland Raiders
7 230 Brian Jennings Arizona State San Francisco 49ers
1999 - Tight Ends
Rd Sel # Player School Team
2 42 Reggie Kelly Mississippi State Atlanta Falcons
3 69 Steve Heiden South Dakota State San Diego Chargers
3 79 Dan Campbell Texas A&M New York Giants
4 122 Bobby Collins North Alabama Buffalo Bills
5 136 Jerame Tuman Michigan Pittsburgh Steelers
6 179 Desmond Clark Wake Forest Denver Broncos
6 191 James Dearth Tarleton State Cleveland Browns
7 208 Jed Weaver Oregon Philadelphia Eagles
7 229 Mike Lucky Arizona Dallas Cowboys
7 230 Sheldon Jackson Nebraska Buffalo Bills
7 238 Justin Swift Kansas State Denver Broncos
1998 - Tight Ends
Rd Sel # Player School Team
2 40 Cameron Cleeland Washington New Orleans Saints
2 48 Stephen Alexander Oklahoma Washington Redskins
2 54 Rod Rutledge Alabama New England Patriots
4 94 Alonzo Mayes Oklahoma State Chicago Bears
4 98 Roland Williams Syracuse St. Louis Rams
5 125 Terry Hardy Southern Mississippi Arizona Cardinals
5 127 Jeremy Brigham Washington Oakland Raiders
5 146 Blake Spence Oregon New York Jets
7 195 Lawrence Hart Southern University New York Jets
7 222 Damian Vaughn Miami (Ohio) Cincinnati Bengals
7 237 Rod Monroe Cincinnati Dallas Cowboys
1997 - Tight Ends
Rd Sel # Player School Team
1 13 Tony Gonzalez California Kansas City Chiefs

[Mr. Miyagi]

Wow Cam Cleeland. That's a blast from the past.

[TigerJ]

I remembered that Buffalo has signed Courtney Anderson and Teyo Johnson. I also remember hearing a report somewhere that the Bills have high hopes for that pair and thought that TE was not as great a need as those outside the organization thought. That doesn't make me any less disappointed that they failed to take anyone that could be a "stretch the middle" type receiving TE. Teyo Johnson supposedly has pretty good athleticism and speed for such a big guy, but I don't like putting all my eggs in on basket like that, especially given that Teyo Johnson had failed to stick with the two clubs he's played on and had to sit out last season.

[raphael120]

Robert Royal is no Tony Gonzalez, but he doesn't suck that bad.

Wow dude...really...do you have eyes? did you see the games where Royal pretty much did something stupid and lost the game for us?? Holding in critical situations, dropping that TD pass in the Titans game we NEEDED to win to get to the playoffs...he's a bum as far as I'm concerned.

[mysticsoto]

I remembered that Buffalo has signed Courtney Anderson and Teyo Johnson. I also remember hearing a report somewhere that the Bills have high hopes for that pair and thought that TE was not as great a need as those outside the organization thought. That doesn't make me any less disappointed that they failed to take anyone that could be a "stretch the middle" type receiving TE. Teyo Johnson supposedly has pretty good athleticism and speed for such a big guy, but I don't like putting all my eggs in on basket like that, especially given that Teyo Johnson had failed to stick with the two clubs he's played on and had to sit out last season.

Agreed. Anderson will probably be the better blocker given his big frame, but our real only hope is for Schouman to develop...

[SabreEleven]

You're not allowed to miss them unless you could spell their last names.

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[Mr. Miyagi]

Wow dude...really...do you have eyes? did you see the games where Royal pretty much did something stupid and lost the game for us?? Holding in critical situations, dropping that TD pass in the Titans game we NEEDED to win to get to the playoffs...he's a bum as far as I'm concerned.
So he dropped a big pass. I understand your frustration. But it doesn't mean he's a bum in general.

Asante Samuels dropped a big time INT and lost the Pats the Super Bowl. He signed a huge contract.

[justasportsfan]

I blame Fairchild for not knowing how to use his players properly.

[The last buffalo fan]

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Yay Riemisma and Pedro Mixtselar :up:

[dasaybz]

The Bills haven't had a decent TE in years. For the life of me, I don't understand why they wouldn't get Trent a nice TE target. This offense is brutal, and a TE would help immensely.