Walsh tapes turned over to NFL

[PromoTheRobot]

Beli-cheat taping signals since 2000 (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/08/sports/football/08nfl.html?hp)

Walsh’s tapes show that the Patriots recorded the signals of offensive and defensive coaches in regular-season games against the Miami Dolphins, the Buffalo Bills, the Cleveland Browns and the San Diego Chargers and against the Pittsburgh Steelers in the 2002 American Football Conference championship game. In that game, the tape has been edited to show Steelers coaches signaling plays, followed by two different camera angles of the actual plays that were called.

Based on a win-loss tally from games after the ones on tapes provided by Walsh, the Patriots went 9-6 against the Dolphins after the first taping. They also went 12-1 against the Bills, 3-0 against the Browns, 4-1 against the Steelers and 3-1 against the Chargers. This included three victories and no defeats in the playoffs.

Can you remember how the Pats seemed to almost know what plays the Bills ran before they ran them? Turns out they did. Curiously, the infamous Rams walk-thru was not one o the tapes turned over. I guess part of the deal between Walsh and the NFL was he had to eat that tape.

PTR

[YardRat]

Obviously the league wants no part of being put into a position of even considering yanking any championships.

I hope the entire franchise goes up in flames, and if there is any justice in this world they will.

[FlyingDutchman]

They must have started to tape us after we gave them that ass pounding. This is worse that the Barry Bonds saga. They're antics cheated players out of big games and opportunities. If I were on the Rams team that lost, and missed a chance at a SB ring, I would be raising hell. God knows what other ripple effects this cheating had over the years.

[FlyingDutchman]

Even though Walsh didnt have the Rams walk-through, id bet anything one existed. Its probably smashed, burned, and buried in Bilicheats backyard

[SABuffalo786]

Good.

If nothing else all their accomplishments will be tainted by the cheating allegations so they'll never be mentioned in quite the same tone as the great Pittsburgh, Dallas, San Fransisco dynasties.

[Romes]

I don't understand why they would bother taping the Bills signals...everyone new the play call would be run, run, pass, punt.

[tat2dmike77]

Go figure

[Johnny Bugmenot]

I hope Matt made copies...

[Oaf]

Indeed.

The all-powerful astrisk.

[FlyingDutchman]

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[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

I don't understand why they would bother taping the Bills signals...everyone new the play call would be run, run, pass, punt.

actually it would be: run, run, pa....ohhh incomplete, punt

[Mike13]

This is the second ****ng time a Miami team has been screwed over because of bull**** like this in the past year, first it was the ****ing NBA ref betting scandal and now this ****.

But thats not what really pisses me off its that they will not be punished for this:


that game, the tape has been edited to show Steelers coaches signaling plays, followed by two different camera angles of the actual plays that were called.


**** Goodell and **** the Cheatriots, I hope they all die.

[OpIv37]

Dolphins, Browns, Bills, Steelers, Chargers.

The Steelers and Chargers make sense (if you have no morals), but did they really need to cheat to beat the Dolphins, Bills and Browns? The rest of the league had no problems beating them fair and square.

[imbondz]

yeah, it makes total sense to want to beat the teams in your division twice, and the teams you meet in the playoffs

[Philagape]

So THAT's how they beat us .......

[BADTHINGSMAN]

Dolphins, Browns, Bills, Steelers, Chargers.

The Steelers and Chargers make sense (if you have no morals), but did they really need to cheat to beat the Dolphins, Bills and Browns? The rest of the league had no problems beating them fair and square.

Dolphins played the Pats tough a few times and Buffalo I believe was the last team to shut the Patriots out.. Taping the Bills/Dolphins gave them 4 wins a year..

[Turf]

I can't help but wonder why no one else was doing the same thing. Were we too honest or not smart enough. Was everyone else in the league that naive? Did this guy turning over the tapes have no friends? Was there no rumor of this among colleagues? Coaches? The NFL?
This whole thing reeks of media bull**** to me. Sorry.

[Ingtar33]

i would be stunned if the team i worked for did anything of the sort. we played straight.

I never heard of crap like this being this extensive... oh there were rumors... of teams doing stuff like this. typically they would pop up around big games, or playoff games.

But generally, they tended to be sore losers, complaining about getting pounded. only a few times did i believe it.

Gruden long was rumored, to do stuff like this, mostly when he was with the Raiders... but i never heard any rumors of a team making a video library of the league coaches, in some form of systemic cheating like I'm hearing the pats did. This is insane.

Unreal.

[jamze132]

Dolphins, Browns, Bills, Steelers, Chargers.

The Steelers and Chargers make sense (if you have no morals), but did they really need to cheat to beat the Dolphins, Bills and Browns? The rest of the league had no problems beating them fair and square.
The Pats didn't want the "trap game" (Bills/Dolphins) to get in the way with their glory.

[jamze132]

Well the NFL should punish the Pats by forcing them to trade Brady for Losman, straight up...

[Dujek]

I'm shocked and stunned that there aren't more tapes. The Patriots will walk away with nothing more than a slap on the wrist, when in reality Belicheat should be suspended for a year and all their draft picks from this year should be shared out amongst the teams they taped, with the order of selection decided by a lottery.

Of course all that will happen is that they will be told that they are very naughty boys.

[Mitchy moo]

:censored:

[John Doe]

It looks like nothing is going to come of this:



“This is consistent with what the Patriots had admitted they had been doing, consistent with what we already knew,” NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told The Associated Press.




“Mr. Walsh has never claimed to have a tape of the walkthrough,” Levy told The New York Times. “Mr. Walsh has never been the source of any of the media speculation about such a tape. Mr. Walsh was not the source for the Feb. 2 Boston Herald article.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AtKdgBP2Nl5Ra8zBQ1bn2PJDubYF?slug=ap-patriots-walshtapes&prov=ap&type=lgns

[Mitchy moo]

The Bills better get a new set of calls, just in case.

[Confused]

Are they gonna do something about this?

[Jeff1220]

They should be :banned:

[don137]

There is no doubt the Patriots cheated their way to a championship or two. I don't think it was a coincidence that the Steelers pummeled the Patriots in the regular season racking up a ton of points and then when the two teams met in the AFC Conference Championship in Pittsburgh the Steelers offense could not do anything. Coincidence? I think not. I remember thinking back then how could the Patriots always be in the right place at the right time during that game. Now we know....

[Mahdi]

This explains how the Bills have not been able to beat the Pats since they destroyed them 35-0. From that day Bellichick vowed that he would never lose to the Bills again. It was probably even more embarassing to him that Bledsoe was behind centre for us. Pretty strange that we got destroyed by the exact same score in the last game of the season by the Pats.

[mybills]

Dolphins played the Pats tough a few times and Buffalo I believe was the last team to shut the Patriots out.. Taping the Bills/Dolphins gave them 4 wins a year..
Nope, it was Miami. 21-0.
and Mahdi, we beat them 31-0. I wear that shirt often to remind the fans around here. :D

[madness]

This explains how the Bills have not been able to beat the Pats since they destroyed them 35-0. From that day Bellichick vowed that he would never lose to the Bills again. It was probably even more embarassing to him that Bledsoe was behind centre for us. Pretty strange that we got destroyed by the exact same score in the last game of the season by the Pats.

Bellicheat. What ****ing joke... and a disgrace to the game.

[ddaryl]

Can you remember how the Pats seemed to almost know what plays the Bills ran before they ran them? Turns out they did. Curiously, the infamous Rams walk-thru was not one o the tapes turned over. I guess part of the deal between Walsh and the NFL was he had to eat that tape.

PTR


and everyone thought they were geniusses.. Letting probowl players leave via FA and inserting unknowns.

Now we know how they accomplished this.

The Patriots are officially the lowest of the low.

[Dozerdog]

They taped us in 2001?

Why? We won what, 2 games?

"OK.... the coach is signalling in a Blitz...no wait... a 2 gap stunt...no...no...oh..never mind. He just picked his nose "

http://gottabuzz.typepad.com/coffee/images/2007/10/02/bowdenpick.jpg

[mybills]

:chuckle:

[njsue]

What comes around goes around. They are screwed. Now they have to face the consquences. When you play with fire you will eventually get burned.

What they did has become one of many issues that have put an ugly face on the NFL.

Time to clean up the garbage in the league. Can't do this unless the top NFL brass put's their foot down.

Enough is enough.

[njsue]

I'm shocked and stunned that there aren't more tapes. The Patriots will walk away with nothing more than a slap on the wrist, when in reality Belicheat should be suspended for a year and all their draft picks from this year should be shared out amongst the teams they taped, with the order of selection decided by a lottery.

Of course all that will happen is that they will be told that they are very naughty boys.

Thanks to the NY Giants making the Pat's look like a joke in the Super Bowl.

[ddaryl]

I'm shocked and stunned that there aren't more tapes. The Patriots will walk away with nothing more than a slap on the wrist, when in reality Belicheat should be suspended for a year and all their draft picks from this year should be shared out amongst the teams they taped, with the order of selection decided by a lottery.

Of course all that will happen is that they will be told that they are very naughty boys.


There were more tapes but the NFL destroyed the evidence... Which IMO is just as bad.

The NFL is trying to sweep this under the rug... but thanks to Spector and fans and Walsh it's not be left to die.

Everywhere the Cheating **********s go they'll be adequately greeted as cheating **********s.

and any one of thier fans who ever show up here and try to spin this as a non issues will instantly be clearly marked as fans of **********s

[raphael120]

I specifically remember being at a bar with all my Steelers buddies when they were playing the Pats in the playoff game where they got totally trounced. The Steelers explosive offense was held to nothing and Ben was getting picked off left and right. Everyone SPECIFICALLY said ( and I remember saying it myself when it happened) we all agreed it felt like "It's crazy, it seems like the Pats know exactly what the hell the Steelers want to do"...now it makes total sence. That game wasn't even close, the Steelers D got plowed through when it was dominant all season long, and it all came to a screaching halt in that playoff game.

The hilarious part is that the Pats felt like they needed a handicap to play against the Bills and Dolphins. Thats like me thinking I need to rob a bank to be richer than some homeless dude.

[raphael120]

There were more tapes but the NFL destroyed the evidence... Which IMO is just as bad.

The NFL is trying to sweep this under the rug... but thanks to Spector and fans and Walsh it's not be left to die.

Everywhere the Cheating **********s go they'll be adequately greeted as cheating **********s.

and any one of thier fans who ever show up here and try to spin this as a non issues will instantly be clearly marked as fans of **********s

On and ESPN's coverage of it is laughable...they're treating it as a joke and nothing serious at all. Oh them rascally Pats are up to it again! Oh well! On to other news...

[The Spaz]

WALSH'S TAPES OF AFC EAST TEAMS NO SURPRISE:

With the NFL confirming that the eight tapes turned over by former Patriots employee Matt Walsh consist of offensive and defensive signals from five other NFL teams in addition to the Jets Spygate tape, it wasn't surprising to see both the Dolphins and Bills on that list. Taping signals would serve the most benefit to the Patriots against division opponents because they will play them a second time, so videotaping the Bills' signals would serve them well the next time they faced them that season.

In all likelihood the Bills and division teams would change their signals between the first and second time they faced the Patriots, but with prior signals from the first meeting the Pats could compare signals in the second game as it's unfolding to those from the first game and see if anything was consistent. If anything was the same advantage Patriots.

How much of an advantage?

How about a New England offensive assistant is assigned to decipher the defensive signals of the Bills on the opposing sideline based off of what he saw from the tapes of the first game, which not only reveal signals, but what signals for what down and distance situations. If he sees the same signal in the same down and distance situation, he could tell the offensive coordinator, who could then radio to Tom Brady's helmet before the communication is cut off, 'Hey Tom keep an eye out for the corner blitz here coming from your left. You may want to use Troy Brown as your hot (receiver) on the other side.'

Obviously that will no longer be an issue with the new rule allowing a radio to be put in a defensive signal caller's helmet, but imagine the advantage over the years. Sure all teams change signals, but how many times over are you going to change them? You can't risk confusing your players with dozens of different signals every week. There was a clear advantage there. I just wonder how much of a great quarterback did that advantage make Tom Brady? He's a great quarterback don't get me wrong, but is he elite if the Patriots aren't cheating? I think it's a debatable subject.

If there proves to be more damaging evidence similar to that of the Jets Spygate tape, I think the commissioner has no choice but to kick Bill Belichick out of the league forever. He's tainted the integrity of the game, not to mention the so called dynasty of the Patriots.

http://buffalobills.com/blog/index.jsp?blogger_id=1

[RockStar36]

I'll be interested to see the penalty. They obviously can't take anything away from the past but I wonder what they will do. Maybe they will do something salary cap related? Who knows.

[El Guapo]

It would shock me if the NFL took more action on this. The implications, as everyone here is aware, are HUGE. The NFL does not want to have to put an asterik on the most popular sporting event in the world -- the Super Bowl. But, that is exactly what they would have to do to the Cheatriot's Super Bowl wins if they take this issue further. There's no way around it, if they come out and say it was more wide spread than thought and that the Cheatriots lied to the Goodell about it last year. Even though this new evidence supports both, the NFL does not want this negative publicity and will downplay everything Walsh brings forth.

All that being said, Goodell is also walking a fine line with Congress. He darn sure doesn't want Congressional hearings on this. And, yes, Congress does have oversight here because of the special treatment the NFL receives legally dealing with Anti-Trust legislation. Can you imagine Walsh telling all in front of a national TV audience? Every network would cover it, from the big four to ESPN to Fox News to CNN. Sen. Specter would get more media time than he could ask for, and Goodell would see his league tarnished in so many ways.

So, Goodell is in a tight spot. To save the integrity of the league, he needs this to go away quietly and swiftly. However, to keep Specter off his back, he needs to be forthcoming and hold the Cheatriots accountable. This will get interesting, but I really do not have any idea how it will play out.

[PECKERWOOD]

They should lose a 1st round pick for every year they cheated, jmo. If you want to be corrupt and cheat, you should have to pay the price if you get busted.

[Mr. Miyagi]

With the extensiveness of the taping and cheating, I'm extremely surprised that none of the ex-Patriot players has ever come forward to tell the story from the inside. Maybe a retired player with no more ties to the league and nothing to fear?

God I can't wait until someone else speaks out. It would lead to more coming forward.

[PromoTheRobot]

With the extensiveness of the taping and cheating, I'm extremely surprised that none of the ex-Patriot players has ever come forward to tell the story from the inside. Maybe a retired player with no more ties to the league and nothing to fear?

God I can't wait until someone else speaks out. It would lead to more coming forward.
I don't think many players know for sure what Belichick does. All they know is they get the message from a coach to watch a player or throw the ball to that receiver, etc. They may suspect, but I bet no player knows for certain.

PTR

[PromoTheRobot]

If Pete Rose gets banned for life for betting on baseball, how is what the Patriots did not ten times worse?

PTR

[madness]

Walsh's tapes of AFC East teams no surprise

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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>WALSH'S TAPES OF AFC EAST TEAMS NO SURPRISE: With the NFL confirming that the eight tapes turned over by former Patriots employee Matt Walsh consist of offensive and defensive signals from five other NFL teams in addition to the Jets Spygate tape, it wasn't surprising to see both the Dolphins and Bills on that list. Taping signals would serve the most benefit to the Patriots against division opponents because they will play them a second time, so videotaping the Bills' signals would serve them well the next time they faced them that season.
In all likelihood the Bills and division teams would change their signals between the first and second time they faced the Patriots, but with prior signals from the first meeting the Pats could compare signals in the second game as it's unfolding to those from the first game and see if anything was consistent. If anything was the same advantage Patriots.
How much of an advantage?
How about a New England offensive assistant is assigned to decipher the defensive signals of the Bills on the opposing sideline based off of what he saw from the tapes of the first game, which not only reveal signals, but what signals for what down and distance situations. If he sees the same signal in the same down and distance situation, he could tell the offensive coordinator, who could then radio to Tom Brady's helmet before the communication is cut off, 'Hey Tom keep an eye out for the corner blitz here coming from your left. You may want to use Troy Brown as your hot (receiver) on the other side.'
Obviously that will no longer be an issue with the new rule allowing a radio to be put in a defensive signal caller's helmet, but imagine the advantage over the years. Sure all teams change signals, but how many times over are you going to change them? You can't risk confusing your players with dozens of different signals every week. There was a clear advantage there. I just wonder how much of a great quarterback did that advantage make Tom Brady? He's a great quarterback don't get me wrong, but is he elite if the Patriots aren't cheating? I think it's a debatable subject.
If there proves to be more damaging evidence similar to that of the Jets Spygate tape, I think the commissioner has no choice but to kick Bill Belichick out of the league forever. He's tainted the integrity of the game, not to mention the so called dynasty of the Patriots.

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[madness]

This isn't good for Belichick, especially when they find out that he also killed his ex-wife in and hid her body in a compost heap.

Cheater Cheater Pumpkin Eater
Had a Wife But Couldn’t Keep Her
Put Her in a Pumpkin Shell
And there He Kept Her Very Well

[Johnny Bugmenot]

Any punishment for this is going to most definitely have to come from above the league itself.

Revoke the antitrust exemption.

[The Spaz]

Walsh's tapes of AFC East teams no surprise

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</TD><TD align=right>Posted By: Chris Brown | Time: 9:21 AM ET | Link (http://buffalobills.com/blog/index.jsp?post_id=3447)


</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>WALSH'S TAPES OF AFC EAST TEAMS NO SURPRISE: With the NFL confirming that the eight tapes turned over by former Patriots employee Matt Walsh consist of offensive and defensive signals from five other NFL teams in addition to the Jets Spygate tape, it wasn't surprising to see both the Dolphins and Bills on that list. Taping signals would serve the most benefit to the Patriots against division opponents because they will play them a second time, so videotaping the Bills' signals would serve them well the next time they faced them that season.
In all likelihood the Bills and division teams would change their signals between the first and second time they faced the Patriots, but with prior signals from the first meeting the Pats could compare signals in the second game as it's unfolding to those from the first game and see if anything was consistent. If anything was the same advantage Patriots.
How much of an advantage?
How about a New England offensive assistant is assigned to decipher the defensive signals of the Bills on the opposing sideline based off of what he saw from the tapes of the first game, which not only reveal signals, but what signals for what down and distance situations. If he sees the same signal in the same down and distance situation, he could tell the offensive coordinator, who could then radio to Tom Brady's helmet before the communication is cut off, 'Hey Tom keep an eye out for the corner blitz here coming from your left. You may want to use Troy Brown as your hot (receiver) on the other side.'
Obviously that will no longer be an issue with the new rule allowing a radio to be put in a defensive signal caller's helmet, but imagine the advantage over the years. Sure all teams change signals, but how many times over are you going to change them? You can't risk confusing your players with dozens of different signals every week. There was a clear advantage there. I just wonder how much of a great quarterback did that advantage make Tom Brady? He's a great quarterback don't get me wrong, but is he elite if the Patriots aren't cheating? I think it's a debatable subject.
If there proves to be more damaging evidence similar to that of the Jets Spygate tape, I think the commissioner has no choice but to kick Bill Belichick out of the league forever. He's tainted the integrity of the game, not to mention the so called dynasty of the Patriots.

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I already posted this in here...lol. :up:

[madness]

I already posted this in here...lol. :up:

My bad, I scrolled right over it because I was looking for the same format. :D

[Bill Brasky]

too bad nothing will happen because of the love affair with this team and it's :limp: qb

[SabreEleven]

This isn't good for Belichick, especially when they find out that he also killed his ex-wife in and hid her body in a compost heap.

Cheater Cheater Pumpkin Eater
Had a Wife But Couldn’t Keep Her
Put Her in a Pumpkin Shell
And there He Kept Her Very Well

:spit:

[Typ0]

the Pats were told to turn over all the tapes and now more tapes have surfaced. There should be serious penalties to pay. The entire staff suspended from the league indefinately. The organization banned from the first day of the draft for a decade. Their QB not allowed to wear a helmut for five years. No cups for the lineman. And no Gatorade for the defensive backs.

[mybills]

:rofl: Typ0! Other than Walsh being an EX patriot & these tapes were in his possession, not BB's, I like your idea of punishment! :up: :bf1:

[Typ0]

:rofl: Typ0! Other than Walsh being an EX patriot & these tapes were in his possession, not BB's, I like your idea of punishment! :up: :bf1:

it doesn't matter whose possession they were in. The PATS were the ones that made the tapes therefore they knew of their existence. The directive from the league was to turn over ALL the tapes and did not specify "only turn over the ones you have in your file cabinet". The PATS were responsible to scour the earth and get all the tapes.

[Mahdi]

Nope, it was Miami. 21-0.
and Mahdi, we beat them 31-0. I wear that shirt often to remind the fans around here. :D
O right,,, thanks!

[Marvelous]

So we woulda beaten NE if they didn't tape our games? Maybe week 1 of two seasons ago, but every other game it wasnt even close...Bunch of babies the Rams & Eagles..

[Bert102176]

what year was it we spanked them 31 nothing then lost to them by the same I bet they cheated then too Belicheck should lose his job over this and they should lose atleast another 1st round pic plus

[HughC]

Any punishment for this is going to most definitely have to come from above the league itself.

Revoke the antitrust exemption.

And allow every team to make it's own television deal, with no more revenue sharing? No thanks.

[Cntrygal]

what year was it we spanked them 31 nothing then lost to them by the same I bet they cheated then too Belicheck should lose his job over this and they should lose atleast another 1st round pic plus

2003

[HughC]

the Pats were told to turn over all the tapes and now more tapes have surfaced. There should be serious penalties to pay. The entire staff suspended from the league indefinately. The organization banned from the first day of the draft for a decade. Their QB not allowed to wear a helmut for five years. No cups for the lineman. And no Gatorade for the defensive backs.

I like your suggestions, especially the last two. Just not sure how we could blame the Pats for not turning in tapes that Walsh had hiding in his secret stash in Hawaii.

[mikemac2001]

Ban Belicheat and punish the team with losing 1st 4 picks next year there championships and tom brady's legacy are tainted chris brown blogs explains that

[Mr. Cynical]

1. Take the championships away or at least put an asterisk in the book.
2. Force them to play the NFL's hardest schedule for 5-6 years, the same time period they've been cheating.
3. Force Belicheat to resign.

That would just about do it for me.