IMO - This is how the patriots cheating likely affected the Bills

[Pride]

Ok... First off... I'm not one of those fans that say "If your team wouldn't have cheated, we would have beaten you!". Instead, I can fully grasp that regardless of them cheating, they have had a better football team than us for most of this decade.

That said... I also think that 1 small advantage can snowball to a larger advantage.

Let's assume that the Pats did, in fact, video tape our Offense and Defensive calls over the last 6+ years. It is very possible that simply knowing which play was coming was enough to beat us... but there could also be a deeper level.

What if... because the Patriots were able to beat us so handily for so long... coaches systematically changed our offensive and defensive system to be more creative, or complex? It seems likely that when you are constantly chasing one particular team in the standings.. your focus switches to beating them, than beating everyone else and hoping to beat them.

Is it possible that personnel decisions were made solely based on the fact that we couldn't beat the patriots? Could season-long game plans change in the hopes of beating one team?

Just taking a look at what else may have been affected by the Patriots cheating.

[mybills]

wait, so by them not changing it, gave the Pats less plays to steal, thus purposely not helping them, which purposely didn't help us?

[Pride]

Sorry, I re-read it and modified it a bit to make it more understandable. I think I had a double negative in there..

[mybills]

I guess it's possible. I keep going back to how players shouldn't be traded within the division, and how the Bills eagerly took Bledsoe PLUS their corner in the hopes of maybe figuring out both sides of their team. We could've drafted a QB as there were quite a few to choose from in the 1st round.

[yordad]

Snow ball? Good therory. And, a good way to explain it. But, I think it snow balled even more. They won with their cheating. Any edge is big. Then players knew they wouldn't be as good in other systems, so they took paycuts. Then players seen how successful the Pats were, so they took paycut to join them. Then players lobbied for trades to the Pats. Before you know it, some minor cheating snowballed them into the most talented team ever.

[EDS]

Ok... First off... I'm not one of those fans that say "If your team wouldn't have cheated, we would have beaten you!". Instead, I can fully grasp that regardless of them cheating, they have had a better football team than us for most of this decade.

That said... I also think that 1 small advantage can snowball to a larger advantage.

Let's assume that the Pats did, in fact, video tape our Offense and Defensive calls over the last 6+ years. It is very possible that simply knowing which play was coming was enough to beat us... but there could also be a deeper level.

What if... because the Patriots were able to beat us so handily for so long... coaches systematically changed our offensive and defensive system to be more creative, or complex? It seems likely that when you are constantly chasing one particular team in the standings.. your focus switches to beating them, than beating everyone else and hoping to beat them.

Is it possible that personnel decisions were made solely based on the fact that we couldn't beat the patriots? Could season-long game plans change in the hopes of beating one team?

Just taking a look at what else may have been affected by the Patriots cheating.

The Bills have changed coaches so many times over the past few years that I don't think there is a big systematic impact.

[yordad]

The Bills have changed coaches so many times over the past few years that I don't think there is a big systematic impact.You know, there are thousands who would agree. Millions. They all live in New England.

[don137]

I do not think the Patriot cheating affected the outcome of any of the Bills games but I think it affected other games like the AFC Championship game against Pittsburgh.

[Michael82]

It affected us because they used all their cheating tapes from the 1st game each season to come up the perfect gameplan to crush us in the next game. Hell, look at each time they play us. Usually we keep it close in the 1st one, then they just kill us in the 2nd game. :ill:

[mchurchfie]

It affected us because they used all their cheating tapes from the 1st game each season to come up the perfect gameplan to crush us in the next game. Hell, look at each time they play us. Usually we keep it close in the 1st one, then they just kill us in the 2nd game. :ill:
Great point. I hate those cheating ****ers even more so than ever now.:grind:

[Michael82]

Here's our history against the Patriots since 2000. Notice how for the most part, the 2nd game is more lopsided. :ill:

2000
11/5 - Bills WIN 16-13
12/17 - Bills LOSE 10-13 in OT

2001
11/11 - Bills LOSE 11-21
12/16 - Bills LOSE 9-12 in OT

2002
11/3 - Bills LOSE 7-38
12/8 - Bills LOSE 17-27

2003
9/7 - Bills WIN 31-0
12/27 - Bills LOSE 0-31

2004
10/3 - Bills LOSE 17-31
11/14 - Bills LOSE 6-29

2005
10/30 - Bills LOSE 16-21
12/11 - Bills LOSE 7-35

2006
9/10 - Bills LOSE 17-19
10/22 - Bills LOSE 6-28

2007
9/23 - Bills LOSE 7-38
11/18 - Bills LOSE 10-56

[Michael82]

oh and to make you guys feel even better, here's a good one....

1999
11/28 - Bills WIN 17-7
12/26 - Bills WIN 13-10 in OT

[jamze132]

Here's our history against the Patriots since 2000. Notice how for the most part, the 2nd game is more lopsided. :ill:

2000
11/5 - Bills WIN 16-13
12/17 - Bills LOSE 10-13 in OT

2001
11/11 - Bills LOSE 11-21
12/16 - Bills LOSE 9-12 in OT

2002
11/3 - Bills LOSE 7-38
12/8 - Bills LOSE 17-27

2003
9/7 - Bills WIN 31-0
12/27 - Bills LOSE 0-31

2004
10/3 - Bills LOSE 17-31
11/14 - Bills LOSE 6-29

2005
10/30 - Bills LOSE 16-21
12/11 - Bills LOSE 7-35

2006
9/10 - Bills LOSE 17-19
10/22 - Bills LOSE 6-28

2007
9/23 - Bills LOSE 7-38
11/18 - Bills LOSE 10-56
Mikey, I think you hit the nail on the head with this. If you look at the last few seasons, we have remained relatively close in the first game, especially the first half of that game. But for some miraculous reason after halftime and allthroughout the 2nd game, we could do absolutely nothing right. It just seems too odd for them to be that rediculously good and us to be that rediculously bad during those time frames.

Make no mistake, the Pats have had a far supperior team to just about anyone in the NFL the last 4-5 years but there is no way in hell they won as many games as they did clean. They were obiously gaining a competitive edge in some way, shape, or form.

[jamze132]

Oh, and by the way, where the hell is NE39 to defend his beloved Patsies? I would swear the guy comes on here only to ever so slightly bash the Bills while trying so hard to sound impartial. He does a good job of it, but I see through his arogance.

[Michael82]

Mikey, I think you hit the nail on the head with this. If you look at the last few seasons, we have remained relatively close in the first game, especially the first half of that game. But for some miraculous reason after halftime and allthroughout the 2nd game, we could do absolutely nothing right. It just seems too odd for them to be that rediculously good and us to be that rediculously bad during those time frames.

Make no mistake, the Pats have had a far supperior team to just about anyone in the NFL the last 4-5 years but there is no way in hell they won as many games as they did clean. They were obiously gaining a competitive edge in some way, shape, or form.
Exactly! I bet the halftime scores show it even more. :ill:

[YardRat]

**** the Patriots. That organization is dead to me.

Boot BB for life.
Force Kraft out.
Move in the vans and ship their asses off to LA.

[shelby]

Good points made in this thread, but i disagree about NE39. He's not arrogant. i enjoy reading his posts.

[Michael82]

Here's the halftime scores since 2001..... :ill:

2001
11/11 - Patriots up 7-3 (Patriots win 21-11)
12/16 - Patriots up 6-0 (Patriots win 12-9)

2002
11/3 - Patriots up 17-7 (Patriots win 38-7)
12/8 - Patriots up 20-0 (Patriots win 27-17)

2003
9/7 - Bills up 21-0 (Bills win 31-0)
12/27 - Patriots up 28-0 (Patriots win 31-0)

2004
10/3 - Score Tied 17-17 (Patriots won 31-17)
11/14 - Patriots up 20-0 (Patriots won 29-6)

2005
10/30 - Bills up 3-0 (Patriots won 21-16)
12/11 - Patriots up 14-0 (Patriots won 35-7)

2006
9/10 - Bills up 17-7 (Patriots won 19-17)
10/22 - Patriots up 14-3 (Patriots won 28-6)

2007
9/23 - Patriots up 17-7 (Patriots won 38-7)
11/18 - Patriots up 35-7 (Patriots won 56-10)

[The Answer]

It's downright pathetic that the pats had to cheat to beat a Bills team that featured some of the worst offenses in nfl history over the greater part of this decade, not too mention we had Losman starting a big portion of those games - so what on earth were they taping? All the pats defense had to do is show up against a JP led offense and they were guaranteed at least 3 turnovers without even gameplanning.

~The Answer

[SabreEleven]

The Patriots cheating cause Greg Williams and Tom Donahue to get fired!!!!!:snicker: I can't even say that without laughing.

[Michael82]

The Patriots cheating cause Greg Williams and Tom Donahue to get fired!!!!!:snicker: I can't even say that without laughing.
:rofl: You do have a point. The Patriots cheating actually led to a lot of head coaches and GMs getting replaced. Look at the Jets, Bills and Dolphins. They've all done big changing around since the Pats started their cheating domination.

[HHURRICANE]

Ok... First off... I'm not one of those fans that say "If your team wouldn't have cheated, we would have beaten you!". Instead, I can fully grasp that regardless of them cheating, they have had a better football team than us for most of this decade.

That said... I also think that 1 small advantage can snowball to a larger advantage.

Let's assume that the Pats did, in fact, video tape our Offense and Defensive calls over the last 6+ years. It is very possible that simply knowing which play was coming was enough to beat us... but there could also be a deeper level.

What if... because the Patriots were able to beat us so handily for so long... coaches systematically changed our offensive and defensive system to be more creative, or complex? It seems likely that when you are constantly chasing one particular team in the standings.. your focus switches to beating them, than beating everyone else and hoping to beat them.

Is it possible that personnel decisions were made solely based on the fact that we couldn't beat the patriots? Could season-long game plans change in the hopes of beating one team?

Just taking a look at what else may have been affected by the Patriots cheating.

Good points and I was going in ready to chastise you.

Let's hope the Bills do what they need to do to beat these butt holes.

[jamze132]

Well I am glad that Mularkey isn't employed in Buffalo anymore. So thanks Belicheck.

[Typ0]

:rofl: You do have a point. The Patriots cheating actually led to a lot of head coaches and GMs getting replaced. Look at the Jets, Bills and Dolphins. They've all done big changing around since the Pats started their cheating domination.


and the organizational changes have made it much easier for them to win.

[mybills]

Good points made in this thread, but i disagree about NE39. He's not arrogant. i enjoy reading his posts.
ditto

[Bill Brasky]

who cares. they cheated. it's been proven. they didn't win **** in my book. sad thing is they will get away with it so the league can save face. they will never be regarded as a dynasty by anyone other than the hairbrained idiots in new england.

[trapezeus]

From an espn article from our beloved drew:

Quarterback Drew Bledsoe, who was on the Patriots team that beat the Rams in the Super Bowl, told the Boston Herald he's followed SpyGate in the media.
"To be honest with you, my take now is the same as it's always been," Bledsoe told the newspaper. "Every team in the league is trying to do everything they can to get ahead. I'm sure most, if not all, are bending the rules in some way, shape or form. This just happened to be one that was very public, and the organization has been reprimanded for it.
"As a player here, I never did see anything other than what was already reported. Was it a violation of the spirit of the rules? Absolutely, it was, but I think all of that has been readily acknowledged."

[Michael82]

who cares. they cheated. it's been proven. they didn't win **** in my book. sad thing is they will get away with it so the league can save face. they will never be regarded as a dynasty by anyone other than the hairbrained idiots in new england.
EXACTLY! :bf1: