Third time not a charm for Briere

[JD]

That must suck.
:poop:


Pens up 3-0 in series after 4-1 win Tuesday night in Philadelphia.

[LtFinFan66]

:clap:

He did get an assist tonight

[LABillsFan]

Not a bad run for the Flyers though. They addressed their needs and got to the Playoffs gotta hand it to them.

[clumping platelets]

Flyers suck

[TheGhostofJimKelly]

I thought that was game three and not game four.

[RockStar36]

It's like Drury said after last season. The Sabres were loaded with talent but were missing that something, that true will to win. I think that is what Briere is missing. He can put up all the stats he wants but he doesn't have what it takes to push a team forward and win it all.

[Michael82]

It's like Drury said after last season. The Sabres were loaded with talent but were missing that something, that true will to win. I think that is what Briere is missing. He can put up all the stats he wants but he doesn't have what it takes to push a team forward and win it all.
Didn't Briere last longer than Drury this year? :scratch:

Yeah, he should STFU! :yawn:

[Dr. Lecter]

Drury has been on a Cup winning team.

[RockStar36]

Didn't Briere last longer than Drury this year? :scratch:

Yeah, he should STFU! :yawn:

Drury said it last year, right after he polished off his CHAMPIONSHIP ring.

Your man crush on Briere is frightening at times.

[JD]

I thought that was game three and not game four.
Thanks genius.

Do you really think the Flyers have even a 1% chance of pulling off a comeback? No ****ing way in hell. Their only hope of advancing is if the Penguins plane crashes or Mellon arena finally collapses during the Pens morning skate. Both verrrry unlikely to happen :poop:

[JD]

Drury said it last year, right after he polished off his CHAMPIONSHIP ring.

Your man crush on Briere is frightening at times.

First it was JP, then Golisano now Briere

I dont think he crushes on women :D:

[Michael82]

Drury said it last year, right after he polished off his CHAMPIONSHIP ring.

Your man crush on Briere is frightening at times.
not as frightening as your man crush for Drury. Face it, the guy is overrated. Then again, so is Briere. But still.... :blahblah:

[Michael82]

First it was JP, then Golisano now Briere

I dont think he crushes on women :D:
Did you see my sig and avatar? I beg to differ.... :drool:

[JD]

Yeah.. Lynch Miller and some yankees player ( i dont watch baseball, its just as boring as special olympics golf )

[TheGhostofJimKelly]

Thanks genius.

Do you really think the Flyers have even a 1% chance of pulling off a comeback? No ****ing way in hell. Their only hope of advancing is if the Penguins plane crashes or Mellon arena finally collapses during the Pens morning skate. Both verrrry unlikely to happen :poop:

Why exactly are you calling me a genius and being an *******. Until a team is out then don't tell me that they are out.

[RockStar36]

not as frightening as your man crush for Drury. Face it, the guy is overrated. Then again, so is Briere. But still.... :blahblah:

What man crush for Drury? I barely even talk about the guy. I accepted the fact that he is gone.

[RockStar36]

Why do some of you feel that you are such bad asses that you think you can just say whatever you feel? Until a team is out then don't tell me that they are out.

5K ZB's that they get eliminated in 5 games max.

[TheGhostofJimKelly]

5K ZB's that they get eliminated in 5 games max.

I think they get eliminated in 5, that doesn't mean you can sit here and say it is over when it isn't over.

Damn, I hate this forum.

[Michael82]

I think they get eliminated in 5, that doesn't mean you can sit here and say it is over when it isn't over.

Damn, I hate this forum.
:rofl: Good post man! It's close to being over, but it's not over. Anything can happen. :hi5:

[RockStar36]

:rofl: Good post man! It's close to being over, but it's not over. Anything can happen. :hi5:

Like when the Yankees blew a 3-0 lead?

[Philagape]

What man crush for Drury?

Like bragging about his ring he won on Sakic's team that also had Bourque, Forsberg, Blake and Roy. Five Hall-of-Famers.
A thousand other players have their name on the Cup, too. He's won nothing as a leader. He's Cory Stillman, except Stillman has two rings.

[RockStar36]

Like bragging about his ring he won on Sakic's team that also had Bourque, Forsberg, Blake and Roy. Five Hall-of-Famers.
A thousand other players have their name on the Cup, too. He's won nothing as a leader. He's Cory Stillman, except Stillman has two rings.

He was a very important part of that team, make no mistake about that. And being on a team with that many hall of fame players means you learn some leadership. What has Briere done to show that he is a leader? Seriously? I never thought he should've had a C here in Buffalo. His stats are good but when the going gets tough, he gets going. That is why when Drury was here people went after him. They knew how truly important he was to this team.

[Dr. Lecter]

Like bragging about his ring he won on Sakic's team that also had Bourque, Forsberg, Blake and Roy. Five Hall-of-Famers.
A thousand other players have their name on the Cup, too. He's won nothing as a leader. He's Cory Stillman, except Stillman has two rings.

Except for him being 2nd all time on the NHL playoff OT goal list.

But I guess that is nothing, eh?

[Philagape]

He was a very important part of that team, make no mistake about that. And being on a team with that many hall of fame players means you learn some leadership. What has Briere done to show that he is a leader? Seriously? I never thought he should've had a C here in Buffalo. His stats are good but when the going gets tough, he gets going. That is why when Drury was here people went after him. They knew how truly important he was to this team.

What has Drury done with all the leadership he learned? His teams here folded. He's a failure as a leader and has done no more than Briere. Less, in fact.

And we've discussed before how anyone's opinion who should get the C is worthless here.

[Philagape]

Except for him being 2nd all time on the NHL playoff OT goal list.

But I guess that is nothing, eh?

Not in regards to leading a team to a Cup, no.

[RockStar36]

So it is all on him for Buffalo not winning the Cup, Gotcha.

[RockStar36]

He had a total of 11 game-winning goals in 4 straight playoff seasons with the Avalanche


You want a goal, you're in overtime – you want him.

[Philagape]

So it is all on him for Buffalo not winning the Cup, Gotcha.

Making up a point when you don't like the one I actually made. :shakeno:

[RockStar36]

He won a state championship at the prestigious high school Fairfield Prep (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairfield_Prep) in Fairfield (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairfield%2C_Connecticut), Connecticut (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut) where he was a four year letterman on the hockey team. He also played for Boston University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_University) for four years, winning a national championship in the 1994-95 season, being the runner-up for in the Hobey Baker Award in 1997, and winning the Hobey Baker Award (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobey_Baker_Award) in 1998, given to the best NCAA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Collegiate_Athletic_Association) ice hockey player, in the 1997-98 season.

He started playing in the NHL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Hockey_League) with the Colorado Avalanche in the 1998-99 NHL season (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998-99_NHL_season) in which he won the Calder Trophy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calder_Trophy) as the best rookie of the NHL. Drury won the Stanley Cup with the Colorado Avalanche in the 2000-01 season (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000-01_NHL_season).

[RockStar36]

But yeah, he isn't a winner or anything.

[Dr. Lecter]

Not in regards to leading a team to a Cup, no.

Scoring playoff OT goals is not important?????

Huh?

[Dr. Lecter]

What has Drury done with all the leadership he learned? His teams here folded. He's a failure as a leader and has done no more than Briere. Less, in fact.

And we've discussed before how anyone's opinion who should get the C is worthless here.

He has done less than Briere?

How does one come up with that conclusion?

[RockStar36]

I think a team that wins a cup is full of several leaders. Drury was a leader here in Buffalo but he didn't have many others willing to back him up. He put himself out there many times to try and win a game while others stood back.

[Philagape]

He has done less than Briere?

How does one come up with that conclusion?

As leaders on a team, Drury has gone to two ECFs, Briere three.

[Philagape]

He won a state championship at the prestigious high school Fairfield Prep (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairfield_Prep) in Fairfield (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairfield%2C_Connecticut), Connecticut (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut) where he was a four year letterman on the hockey team. He also played for Boston University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_University) for four years, winning a national championship in the 1994-95 season, being the runner-up for in the Hobey Baker Award in 1997, and winning the Hobey Baker Award (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobey_Baker_Award) in 1998, given to the best NCAA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Collegiate_Athletic_Association) ice hockey player, in the 1997-98 season.

He started playing in the NHL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Hockey_League) with the Colorado Avalanche in the 1998-99 NHL season (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998-99_NHL_season) in which he won the Calder Trophy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calder_Trophy) as the best rookie of the NHL. Drury won the Stanley Cup with the Colorado Avalanche in the 2000-01 season (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000-01_NHL_season).

Until he leads a team to a Cup, you take all that and :flush:
I don't give a turd.

[Philagape]

Scoring playoff OT goals is not important?????

Huh?

First, where did you get that he's second all-time? No he's not.

He has four, Briere has two, which is about right considering Drury was playing on Colorado teams full of Hall of Famers while Briere was stuck in Phoenix. During their time in Buffalo, Briere had two, Drury one.

[RockStar36]

Until he leads a team to a Cup, you take all that and :flush:
I don't give a turd.

Drury had 3 game winning goals during that Cup run. What does he have to do? Score every single goal? He is a Cup champion and Briere isn't and never will be.

[Philagape]

Drury had 3 game winning goals during that Cup run. What does he have to do? Score every single goal? He is a Cup champion and Briere isn't and never will be.

LEAD a team to a Cup. That's what he has to do before I start calling him some legendary leader. In that regard, it's Drury zero, Briere zero. Until then, he's a face in the crowd.

[RockStar36]

LEAD a team to a Cup. That's what he has to do before I start calling him some legendary leader. In that regard, it's Drury zero, Briere zero. Until then, he's a face in the crowd.

Ok.

Well hopefully they both stay at zero for the rest of their careers then.

I just wish the Sabres currently had someone who was 1/4 of the leader Drury was.

[Philagape]

GWG is an overrated stat anyway. If a team wins 5-1, whoever scored the winning team's second goal gets the GWG.

[RockStar36]

My lasting memory is Drury basically burying the Rangers and HSBC going insane. One of the most memorable games in my life. But to be fair, Briere did it in the next round against Ottawa.

[Dr. Lecter]

GWG is an overrated stat anyway. If a team wins 5-1, whoever scored the winning team's second goal gets the GWG.

It might be overrated, but it is not meaningless.

Look Here. (http://www.nhl.com/nhlstats/app?fetchKey=00003ALLSAHAll&page=Stats&service=page&sort=gameWinningGoals&viewName=careerLeadersAllSeasons)

Drury is 7th all time in playoff GWG. Briere is not in the top 30.

He averages one every 7.75 games. By comparison. Gretzky had one every 8.67 games. Sakic one every 9.05 games.

Since playoffs are usually not blowouts, the 5-1 score is rare and it would skew the stats for everyone, not just Drury.

[RockStar36]

As my final words before I leave work I'd like to make note that Philly's good season in comparison to last season is not all because of Briere. The Flyers made several signings and trades that made this team a good team. Briere was definitely a part of it but it wasn't like he signed in Philly and they magically became this amazing playoff team. I'd even be willing to say that he hasn't been the team MVP this post season run.

[RockStar36]

It might be overrated, but it is not meaningless.

Look Here. (http://www.nhl.com/nhlstats/app?fetchKey=00003ALLSAHAll&page=Stats&service=page&sort=gameWinningGoals&viewName=careerLeadersAllSeasons)

Drury is 7th all time in playoff GWG. Briere is not in the top 30.

He averages one every 7.75 games. By comparison. Gretzky had one every 8.67 games. Sakic one every 9.05 games.

Since playoffs are usually not blowouts, the 5-1 score is rare and it would skew the stats for everyone, not just Drury.

I checked.

Briere is number 84.

[Philagape]

It might be overrated, but it is not meaningless.

Look Here. (http://www.nhl.com/nhlstats/app?fetchKey=00003ALLSAHAll&page=Stats&service=page&sort=gameWinningGoals&viewName=careerLeadersAllSeasons)

Drury is 7th all time in playoff GWG. Briere is not in the top 30.

He averages one every 7.75 games. By comparison. Gretzky had one every 8.67 games. Sakic one every 9.05 games.

Since playoffs are usually not blowouts, the 5-1 score is rare and it would skew the stats for everyone, not just Drury.

Briere's average is one every 7.85 games (7 in 55). He has three this year.

[Philagape]

As my final words before I leave work I'd like to make note that Philly's good season in comparison to last season is not all because of Briere. The Flyers made several signings and trades that made this team a good team. Briere was definitely a part of it but it wasn't like he signed in Philly and they magically became this amazing playoff team. I'd even be willing to say that he hasn't been the team MVP this post season run.

Still better than what Drury did with the Rangers. Better as a team, and much better individually.

[Michael82]

I checked.

Briere is number 84.
Could that be because he played on a horrible Phoenix team, while Drury played on a damn good Colorado team? Nah, couldn't be.... :doh:

[Iehoshua]

Too much value is put into "leading a team to a championship" in this thread, and a lot in general. Only 1 team wins a championship per year. Of that team, not evey single player can be classified as a leader, and of the ones that are, some can end up being scrubs when put into another team's culture.

Just because Briere hasn't won a cup doesn't make him less of a player. Where are the Sabres without him? In the friggin' tank. May not be fun to get to the ECF and lose but it's even less fun to get nowhere. This hockey season was for all intensive purposes, nonexistent to me.

By that logic, Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas, and the rest of the 90s Bills players were useless.

[RockStar36]

Could that be because he played on a horrible Phoenix team, while Drury played on a damn good Colorado team? Nah, couldn't be.... :doh:

Once again, Drury didn't just go along for the ride in Colorado. He was a major player for that team. READ.

[RockStar36]

Still better than what Drury did with the Rangers. Better as a team, and much better individually.

Briere always has better numbers. He is a goal scorer. Drury does things that aren't always seen on the score sheet. It's why I classify him as more of a leader.

[Michael82]

My lasting memory is Drury basically burying the Rangers and HSBC going insane. One of the most memorable games in my life. But to be fair, Briere did it in the next round against Ottawa.
My lasting memory is this and I was there. It was insane!


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[Michael82]

Or how about this one?

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[Michael82]

Damn I miss going to Buffalo for playoff hockey this year.... :sigh:

[Philagape]

Once again, Drury didn't just go along for the ride in Colorado. He was a major player for that team. READ.

If Briere and Drury had each other's team history, Briere would have the Cup and Drury wouldn't. Agreed?
I bet they'd have each other's clutch stats too.

[Philagape]

Briere always has better numbers. He is a goal scorer. Drury does things that aren't always seen on the score sheet. It's why I classify him as more of a leader.

The Buffalo coaches who saw them both every day in practice, the locker room and games thought them equal. They saw the things that you didn't.

[RockStar36]

The Buffalo coaches who saw them both every day in practice, the locker room and games thought them equal. They saw the things that you didn't.

Just like numerous people this year are equal. Co-captains are the lamest thing in the NHL besides the Atlanta Thrashers.

[RockStar36]

Damn I miss going to Buffalo for playoff hockey this year.... :sigh:

Get some clips from last year's playoffs.

[Michael82]

But you are right....this was an awesome memory for me too. I was also at this game, I miss both of them....:sigh:


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[Michael82]

Get some clips from last year's playoffs.
Just found the one from the Rangers game. I was there and that place was ****ing insane! We beat the Rangers and looked like we were heading to kicking the crap out of Ottawa, then we just lost it. :ill:

[RockStar36]

I can't remember exact feelings but I do recall being WAY more confident when they played Carolina as opposed to Ottawa last year. The whole time last year they would slack ass through portions of the game and pull it out. They were kinda lucky to even make it past the Rangers. Had they beat Ottawa, I think Anaheim would've plowed them.

[JD]

My lasting memory is this and I was there. It was insane!


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Thanks for the tear jerker.
:sadwalk:

That was our year. We had the team to pull it off.
**** INJURIES and McKee for getting a mistterrrrrrious staph infection

[JD]

But you are right....this was an awesome memory for me too. I was also at this game, I miss both of them....:sigh:


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You're killing me mike :cry:

I was outside for the party in the plaza, I'll remember it for the rest of my life. It was absolutely insane, something I'll tell my kids about someday when the arena is half empty.... "you know johnny, back when I was your age we filled that place every night and for the playoffs... we had over ten thousand outside"

:sadwalk:

[TheGhostofJimKelly]

But you are right....this was an awesome memory for me too. I was also at this game, I miss both of them....:sigh:


One of the worst nights of my life. That was the same night my little one broke her elbow. I was in the ER all night. I did see the Drury goal in the waiting room, but only got to hear the Afinogenov goal because I was following the ambulance to Children's Hospital.

[Michael82]

Thanks for the tear jerker.
:sadwalk:

That was our year. We had the team to pull it off.
**** INJURIES and McKee for getting a mistterrrrrrious staph infection
Agreed. That was our year.... :( :sadwalk:

[Michael82]

You're killing me mike :cry:

I was outside for the party in the plaza, I'll remember it for the rest of my life. It was absolutely insane, something I'll tell my kids about someday when the arena is half empty.... "you know johnny, back when I was your age we filled that place every night and for the playoffs... we had over ten thousand outside"

:sadwalk:
definitely. It was always a blast going to those games and then when the game is over, the party continues out on the streets. I miss hearing all those Let's Go Buffalo chants and horn honks.... :sigh:

[Michael82]

One of the worst nights of my life. That was the same night my little one broke her elbow. I was in the ER all night. I did see the Drury goal in the waiting room, but only got to hear the Afinogenov goal because I was following the ambulance to Children's Hospital.
oh man, that really sucks man. Sorry about bringing up bad memories. :( How'd she break it?

[RockStar36]

definitely. It was always a blast going to those games and then when the game is over, the party continues out on the streets. I miss hearing all those Let's Go Buffalo chants and horn honks.... :sigh:

One has to wonder if your attitude towards the Bills would be different if you were older during their SB runs....

[Michael82]

One has to wonder if your attitude towards the Bills would be different if you were older during their SB runs....
what do you mean by that?

[RockStar36]

what do you mean by that?

They went to the Super Bowl(s) when you were younger so you don't clearly remember the joy that you got through those playoff runs and you seem to have forgiven them even though they are one of the worst teams now and are closing in on an entire decade without even making the playoffs.

The Sabres had two playoff runs and then missed the playoffs one year, yet you seem to be super hard on them and super bitter about it.

It's almost like the Bills are just getting a free pass from you and the Sabres are like the step child that can do no right.

[Michael82]

That's not entirely true. I'm pissed at the Bills and want to get back at the playoffs so bad. I also feel that 1999 was their year, but that ****ing piece of **** homerun ripoff happened. :ill:

[Philagape]

I fully experienced the Bills' SB run. That team got old. It ran its course. It died a natural death.

The Sabres are different. The death of its run for the Cup was not natural. It was killed prematurely, in its prime, by its own front office. That's unforgivable.

[RockStar36]

I fully experienced the Bills' SB run. That team got old. It ran its course. It died a natural death.

The Sabres are different. The death of its run for the Cup was not natural. It was killed prematurely, in its prime, by its own front office. That's unforgivable.

I'm younger, so forgive me if I don't know the full details. I was under the impression that Ralph was so hard headed about things that he ruined a relationship with Bill Polian who built that team and since he left has proven he is a great person to have in the FO. Meanwhile, the start of free agency started to tear that team apart and only the main core players remained until the Bills released them without even telling them which is one of the worst FO moves I can imagine.

[Philagape]

I'm younger, so forgive me if I don't know the full details. I was under the impression that Ralph was so hard headed about things that he ruined a relationship with Bill Polian who built that team and since he left has proven he is a great person to have in the FO. Meanwhile, the start of free agency started to tear that team apart and only the main core players remained until the Bills released them without even telling them which is one of the worst FO moves I can imagine.

Whatever the politics of the front office were, the Bills had a four-year run at a championship and a couple more playoff years after that. The equivalent of what happened to the Sabres would be if Jim Kelly and Bruce Smith suddenly left after two years because the FO didn't value them enough.

[JD]

So true phil, man that is STILL tough to swallow :(

[Michael82]

Whatever the politics of the front office were, the Bills had a four-year run at a championship and a couple more playoff years after that. The equivalent of what happened to the Sabres would be if Jim Kelly and Bruce Smith suddenly left after two years because the FO didn't value them enough.
That's an excellent point! :bf1:

[TheGhostofJimKelly]

oh man, that really sucks man. Sorry about bringing up bad memories. :( How'd she break it?

trampoline accident

[Michael82]

trampoline accident
Oh that sucks.