Go Trent!

[Yasgur's Farm]

BUT... We gotta look at reallity!

JP has never, ever had a win where he hasn't guided the O to at least 1 TD... Trent's had 2 in just 5 wins (40%) (Including Jets II).

JP has averaged 2.1 O TD's in his wins as a starter... Trent averages 1.2 as a starting wins (Once again... including Jets II).

JP has failed to lead the O to a TD in 7 of his 31 starts (22.58%) ... Trent's failed to lead the O to a TD in 5 of his 9 starts (an astounding 55.56%).

Now, JP may not be the next coming of Jim Kelly... But where does that leave Trent?

You really should consider these stats in an attempt to evaluate our QB situation.

Will anybody here be disappointed if Trent fails to reach JP's 2006 season in 2008?

[feelthepain]

Re: Go Trent!

BUT... We gotta look at reallity!

JP has never, ever had a win where he hasn't guided the O to at least 1 TD... Trent's had 2 in just 5 wins (40%) (Including Jets II).

JP has averaged 2.1 O TD's in his wins as a starter... Trent averages 1.2 as a starting wins (Once again... including Jets II).

JP has failed to lead the O to a TD in 7 of his 31 starts (22.58%) ... Trent's failed to lead the O to a TD in 5 of his 9 starts (an astounding 55.56%).

Now, JP may not be the next coming of Jim Kelly... But where does that leave Trent?

You really should consider these stats in an attempt to evaluate our QB situation.

Will anybody here be disappointed if Trent fails to reach JP's 2006 season in 2008?

Well all that was all Fairchilds fault...or someones fault, but not anyones fault currently on the Bills roster, so he's good!!

[Yasgur's Farm]

Re: Go Trent!

Not sure who you mean FTP... Who's good?

[DrGraves]

Re: Go Trent!

no playoffs = disappointment

regardless of who is under center!

[Philagape]

Re: Go Trent!

Now, JP may not be the next coming of Jim Kelly... But where does that leave Trent?

You really should consider these stats in an attempt to evaluate our QB situation.

No, we really shouldn't. A rookie QB's numbers are irrelevant.

[FlyingDutchman]

Re: Go Trent!

We definately struggled to score, but I feel like Trent just managed the game better. TE seemed to be able to move the chains. Granted it didnt result in points a whole lot, but we played a better field position game and were able to give our D a rest for once. JP was all or nothing. He didnt seem like he was capable of executing simple plays on a consistat basis. He had some great pinpoint throws at times, but also would throw at receivers feet on simple 5 yard crossing routes.

[YardRat]

Re: Go Trent!

Edwards = starter.
JP = back-up.

Barring injury or major meltdown that's the way it's going to be. Get over it.

[Philagape]

Re: Go Trent!

Also, what's the point of pointing out JP's stats in wins when's he's had so many more losses? When the win/loss ratio is as lopsided as JP's, I would think his stats in losses are more relevant because they take up much more of his career.
Takes real creepy, irrational bias to make that much of a leap and go combing that far for numbers. Say, what are the lengths of their passes in the third quarter of every fourth game on the road? JP may have him beat there too!

[jmb1099]

Re: Go Trent!

BUT... We gotta look at reallity!

JP has never, ever had a win where he hasn't guided the O to at least 1 TD... Trent's had 2 in just 5 wins (40%) (Including Jets II).

JP has averaged 2.1 O TD's in his wins as a starter... Trent averages 1.2 as a starting wins (Once again... including Jets II).

JP has failed to lead the O to a TD in 7 of his 31 starts (22.58%) ... Trent's failed to lead the O to a TD in 5 of his 9 starts (an astounding 55.56%).

Now, JP may not be the next coming of Jim Kelly... But where does that leave Trent?

You really should consider these stats in an attempt to evaluate our QB situation.

Will anybody here be disappointed if Trent fails to reach JP's 2006 season in 2008?

I am so mad at Edwards rookie year performance. He should have thrown for 100,000 yards ,470 touchdowns, and -5 interceptions. He also should have led the league in rushing. Not just Qb's, the entire league. The fact that he rushed for less than 10,000 yards is proof that he sucks. For that matter he should be returning kicks and punts. Man the more I think about it the more this guy just ticks me off. Cut him already. He had a chance a blew it. Time to move on. Take out the trash. Sign Brady Quinn.

[The Answer]

Re: Go Trent!

Also, what's the point of pointing out JP's stats in wins when's he's had so many more losses? When the win/loss ratio is as lopsided as JP's, I would think his stats in losses are more relevant because they take up much more of his career.
Takes real creepy, irrational bias to make that much of a leap and go combing that far for numbers. Say, what are the lengths of their passes in the third quarter of every fourth game on the road? JP may have him beat there too!

The statboys and JP fans love to throw out numbers, but never have a response to these facts:

As a pure rookie, it took Trent 6 games to get 5 wins

Yet it took Losman 2 1/2 seasons to get the same amount of wins? Why is this JP fans?

It took Trent 6 games to get 2 wins against teams .500 or better, and JP 20 games to get 1 win against teams .500 or better.

Also even if you throw out 2004 season in which JP was injured half the year and on the bench - Losman was 1-7 as a starter during 2005 when he was handed the job. Trent was 5-4 as a true rookie when handed the job?

Again PLEASE explain the reason for this? And don't tell me it was because of play calling because ironically Mularkeys teams were better than fairchilds in terms of overall offense rankings. And don't tell me that Trent had better weapons because that's incorrect as well.

~The Answer

[SeatownBillsFan21]

Re: Go Trent!

no playoffs = disappointment

regardless of who is under center!

Are you kidding me? a winning record would be awesome IMO 9-7 wont make the playoff but that still would be a good start for this team.

[djjimkelly]

Re: Go Trent!

in my late night drukeness ill throw this out TRENT SUCKS.

hes the hope that many bills fans want because they actually think we have a chance.

he blows there u go

neg away he will be benched at some point this season and like ive said before most on here will be cursing him away. the same people who are praising him now.

honestly neither qb sucks this coaching staff sucks. and we will never win with them

[LifetimeBillsFan]

Re: Go Trent!

To just look at how they performed in the games you cited is a specious argument because at times you are comparing apples to oranges.

And, since we are talking about the NFL, not fantasy football, it must also be noted that stats do not always tell the full story. Or, as one person put it, "There are lies, damned lies and, then, there are statistics!" And, statistics can be made to say almost anything that you want them to say.

If you go back and look, you will see that I had very high hopes for JP Losman and was not at all thrilled when the Bills used a third round pick to select Edwards. But, it doesn't take a genius to see the two of them on the field--to compare them at the same time in their careers--to conclude that Edwards has a better command of position at the same stage in their careers. Regardless of whatever the statistics say, Edwards was better able to move the ball, move the chains, consistently between the 20 yard lines as a rookie than Losman at any stage in his career.

What Edwards was not able to do--and must learn to do--was to finish drives by consistently getting the tough yards inside the red zone. Losman wasn't able to do that very well either, but he benefitted from being able to get more TDs on plays from outside of the 20 yard red zone area than Edwards.

Edwards can learn to overcome his shortcomings in the red zone with experience and, now also, the addition of James Hardy. Losman never has proven that he can consistently move the chains or put the ball in the end zone from inside the red zone despite having more experience than Edwards. Now, that's not to say that either or both of them will or won't learn how to stick the ball in the end zone when the team is inside the red zone. But, Edwards, being younger and having proved to be more effective in moving the chains does have a greater potential to learn to do this at this stage.

If you wanted to do a comparison, why not compare how many 3-and-outs each QB had in his first nine games? We've heard a lot over the last five years about how important it is for the offense to control the ball and give the defense time to rest, if that is the case, then a QB being able to avoid going 3-and-out is helping both the offense and the defense. Multiple play drives (6 or more) would also be a valuable statistic to compare as well.

For a rookie, Edwards passed the "eyeball" test. Obviously, he still has a long way to go to fully develop his potential, but that's to be expected: P.Manning threw more INTs than TDs as a rookie, J.Elway got pulled from the lineup as a rookie, T.Brady barely saw the field as a rookie, etc. And, the odds are that he is still going to have some bad games before "the light bulb goes on" for him (Brady and P.Manning still have the occasional bad game, too--it happens to even the best of them). So, we're just going to wait and see what happens.

But, watching Edwards, you see a guy with poise who isn't constantly making the same mistakes over and over again, even though he was just a rookie. That has to lead one to conclude that he has a chance to continue to improve with experience. Now, there is no guarantee that that will happen. But, he has shown enough signs to lead one to believe that it will. And, that is why he will be the starting QB for the Bills going into this season.

[YardRat]

Re: Go Trent!

Amen.

[The last buffalo fan]

Re: Go Trent!

To just look at how they performed in the games you cited is a specious argument because at times you are comparing apples to oranges.

And, since we are talking about the NFL, not fantasy football, it must also be noted that stats do not always tell the full story. Or, as one person put it, "There are lies, damned lies and, then, there are statistics!" And, statistics can be made to say almost anything that you want them to say.

If you go back and look, you will see that I had very high hopes for JP Losman and was not at all thrilled when the Bills used a third round pick to select Edwards. But, it doesn't take a genius to see the two of them on the field--to compare them at the same time in their careers--to conclude that Edwards has a better command of position at the same stage in their careers. Regardless of whatever the statistics say, Edwards was better able to move the ball, move the chains, consistently between the 20 yard lines as a rookie than Losman at any stage in his career.

What Edwards was not able to do--and must learn to do--was to finish drives by consistently getting the tough yards inside the red zone. Losman wasn't able to do that very well either, but he benefitted from being able to get more TDs on plays from outside of the 20 yard red zone area than Edwards.

Edwards can learn to overcome his shortcomings in the red zone with experience and, now also, the addition of James Hardy. Losman never has proven that he can consistently move the chains or put the ball in the end zone from inside the red zone despite having more experience than Edwards. Now, that's not to say that either or both of them will or won't learn how to stick the ball in the end zone when the team is inside the red zone. But, Edwards, being younger and having proved to be more effective in moving the chains does have a greater potential to learn to do this at this stage.

If you wanted to do a comparison, why not compare how many 3-and-outs each QB had in his first nine games? We've heard a lot over the last five years about how important it is for the offense to control the ball and give the defense time to rest, if that is the case, then a QB being able to avoid going 3-and-out is helping both the offense and the defense. Multiple play drives (6 or more) would also be a valuable statistic to compare as well.

For a rookie, Edwards passed the "eyeball" test. Obviously, he still has a long way to go to fully develop his potential, but that's to be expected: P.Manning threw more INTs than TDs as a rookie, J.Elway got pulled from the lineup as a rookie, T.Brady barely saw the field as a rookie, etc. And, the odds are that he is still going to have some bad games before "the light bulb goes on" for him (Brady and P.Manning still have the occasional bad game, too--it happens to even the best of them). So, we're just going to wait and see what happens.

But, watching Edwards, you see a guy with poise who isn't constantly making the same mistakes over and over again, even though he was just a rookie. That has to lead one to conclude that he has a chance to continue to improve with experience. Now, there is no guarantee that that will happen. But, he has shown enough signs to lead one to believe that it will. And, that is why he will be the starting QB for the Bills going into this season.

Gracias, it was a great post!

Once again, I'm not an anti TE, and I do root for JP too, but I just want to win games, I want to have a winning season and a trip to the Po's. But clearly and at this time, TE give us the best chance for it.