I see where the Bills could win the AFC East.

[HHURRICANE]

The Pats have the worst of both worlds coming into this season. They are an undefeated team so every team is going to still want to beat them. But they have the hangover and enormous let down of losing the SB. In other words teams are going to be up for a team that might not be up to play them.

The Bills need players like Trent, Lynch, Poz and Stroud to deliver this year. If this happens I can see us winning the division out right.

Yes, alot of things have to come together. I think Fred Jackson, Mitchell, Hardy, Simpson and others have a say in this as well.

There is no reason to believe that we can't sweep the fins and split with the Jets and Pats. 4-6 in our own division and 6-7 wins with every one else.

[Typ0]

The Pats have the worst of both worlds coming into this season. They are an undefeated team so every team is going to still want to beat them. But they have the hangover and enormous let down of losing the SB. In other words teams are going to be up for a team that might not be up to play them.

The Bills need players like Trent, Lynch, Poz and Stroud to deliver this year. If this happens I can see us winning the division out right.

Yes, alot of things have to come together. I think Fred Jackson, Mitchell, Hardy, Simpson and others have a say in this as well.

There is no reason to believe that we can't sweep the fins and split with the Jets and Pats. 4-6 in our own division and 6-7 wins with every one else.


with any good luck...all the stakeholders are just waiting until there is a week left in training camp to lower the boom on the cheaters. Hit them while it hurts and don't give them time to prepare to recover.

[HHURRICANE]

with any good luck...all the stakeholders are just waiting until there is a week left in training camp to lower the boom on the cheaters. Hit them while it hurts and don't give them time to prepare to recover.

The Pats can't repeat last year's performance. I just see this as a year where they fall down. A fall for them might be 10-6.

[Typ0]

we're much better off if they are decimated instead of just tripping over a branch.

[shelby]

i would love to see that happen......the Cheatriots have some karma headed their way....but for me, anything better than 7-9 is a big improvement for the Bills, and if we could get a wildcard playoff spot, i would be very pleased.

[justasportsfan]

The Pats have the worst of both worlds coming into this season. They are an undefeated team so every team is going to still want to beat them. But they have the hangover and enormous let down of losing the SB. In other words teams are going to be up for a team that might not be up to play them.

The Bills need players like Trent, Lynch, Poz and Stroud to deliver this year. If this happens I can see us winning the division out right.

Yes, alot of things have to come together. I think Fred Jackson, Mitchell, Hardy, Simpson and others have a say in this as well.

There is no reason to believe that we can't sweep the fins and split with the Jets and Pats. 4-6 in our own division and 6-7 wins with every one else.
HH,with all due respect , not trying to smack or hijack your thread , But isn't this a huge contrast to what you felt weeks ago when you stated if we're serious about playoffs we needed to draft a DE and bring in wr vets?

Winning the division is a huge step forward of making wild card which you questioned in the past. You went from sky is falling to borderline homeristic :idunno:

[Typ0]

winning the division might just be our way into the playoffs...and the way to do it is to beat the Pats at least once.

[Bone]

If our starters and new players play as hard as they can like the back ups did last year and with a very much improved defense there should be no excuse for us not making the playoffs or having our playoff hopes come down to the last game of the year.

[HHURRICANE]

HH,with all due respect , not trying to smack or hijack your thread , But isn't this a huge contrast to what you felt weeks ago when you stated if we're serious about playoffs we needed to draft a DE and bring in wr vets?

Winning the division is a huge step forward of making wild card which you questioned in the past. You went from sky is falling to borderline homeristic :idunno:


It's hard to respond to this when you constantly are taking things out of context.

The DE argument was almost 8 weeks ago and was specific to grabbing a top DE if he was availble when we picked. We know what happened at #8 so why do you keep bringing it up other than to argue for the sake of arguing.

The thread says it's possible if the Pats take a dump.

[Dr. Lecter]

As somebody that is as optimistic as anybody here, even I think a division title is highly unlikely.

There is too much of a talent and experience gap between Buffalo and New England for this to happen. I would love it and the home playoff game(s) that would come with it though.

[jamze132]

winning the division might just be our way into the playoffs...and the way to do it is to beat the Pats at least once.
Yeah, there's a slim chance of us making the playoffs if we can win the division...

[feelthepain]

The Pats have the worst of both worlds coming into this season. They are an undefeated team so every team is going to still want to beat them. But they have the hangover and enormous let down of losing the SB. In other words teams are going to be up for a team that might not be up to play them.

The Bills need players like Trent, Lynch, Poz and Stroud to deliver this year. If this happens I can see us winning the division out right.

Yes, alot of things have to come together. I think Fred Jackson, Mitchell, Hardy, Simpson and others have a say in this as well.

There is no reason to believe that we can't sweep the fins and split with the Jets and Pats. 4-6 in our own division and 6-7 wins with every one else.

Wasn't it you that told me most Bill fans have a realistic view of their team? Now you're making a claim for the AFC East title? This is what you call realistic?

[PECKERWOOD]

I wish I was this ignorant, the Bills are NOT going to win the AFC East.

[HHURRICANE]

Wasn't it you that told me most Bill fans have a realistic view of their team? Now you're making a claim for the AFC East title? This is what you call realistic?

I said things have to fall into place, players have to step up, and I'm assuming a drop off from the Pats.

I didn't guarantee anything. I see 9 wins right now. However, 2 more wins is possible.

[HHURRICANE]

Wasn't it you that told me most Bill fans have a realistic view of their team? Now you're making a claim for the AFC East title? This is what you call realistic?

The thread says "could" not "will".

[feelthepain]

The thread says "could" not "will".

Realistically, the Bills are nowheres near close to "could"!

[HHURRICANE]

Realistically, the Bills are nowheres near close to "could"!

Why?

[TacklingDummy]

Why?
1st year O.C.

QB situation.

7 wins last year were against turd teams.

Miami/Jets improved this off-season.

Alot of question marks on the D-line.

10 years of stinkage.

How much of an impact do rookies make? Poz, Hardy, McLovin will need to make immediate impact.

The 3 white guys playing DE are overrated.

[gr8slayer]

The Bills winning the division is extremely unlikely but odder things have happened. All it takes is a season ending injury to someone like Brady and the tables will quickly turn.

As of right now our biggest threat outside of the Pats is the Jets and I think that we can at least tie the series with them if not take it. Like I've said before; it all depends on whether or not Edwards is ready to start playing like a real NFL QB. That's not to say that he has to be Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, but if he can move into that tier just under them with the Roethlisbergers and Eli Mannings of the world then we might be able to make something happen.

[gr8slayer]

1st year O.C.
Your point?
QB situation.
Your point?
7 wins last year were against turd teams.
What happened last year has no bearing on what happens this year.
Miami/Jets improved this off-season.
We were better than both of them last season and have made improvements as well.
Alot of question marks on the D-line.
Really? I see nothing but improvement.
10 years of stinkage.
Has no bearing on this year.
How much of an impact do rookies make? Poz, Hardy, McLovin will need to make immediate impact.
Posluszny isn't a rookie.
The 3 white guys playing DE are overrated.
Since when does the color of one's skin have anything to do with how good of a football player they are?

[justasportsfan]

It's hard to respond to this when you constantly are taking things out of context.

The DE argument was almost 8 weeks ago and was specific to grabbing a top DE if he was availble when we picked. We know what happened at #8 so why do you keep bringing it up other than to argue for the sake of arguing.

The thread says it's possible if the Pats take a dump.

well first you were questiong our ability to make playoffs and then now all off a sudden you can see how we can win the division now? You shouild've thought of that way back then when you started threads pretty much dumping on our line-up.

I'm not arguing to argue with you,. You're arguing with yourself by doing a 180.

[HHURRICANE]

well first you were questiong our ability to make playoffs and then now all off a sudden you can see how we can win the division now? You shouild've thought of that way back then when you started threads pretty much dumping on our line-up.

I'm not arguing to argue with you,. You're arguing with yourself by doing a 180.

You just don't get it. I think the Bills are getting closer to making the playoffs but I'm not sure they did enough to get there this year. Period.

However, the 1980 Bills where in a very familiar situation and won 11 games with good coaching and some young players stepping up. That team was predicted to go 7-9 wins.

All I'm saying is that I at least see a scenario where it's possible. Last year there was no doubt that NE was winning the division. No doubt what so ever.

[justasportsfan]

All I'm saying is that I at least see a scenario where it's possible. .
all I"m saying is that maybe you should've thought of that when you started threads implying we're not serious about winning.

[HHURRICANE]

all I"m saying is that maybe you should've thought of that when you started threads implying we're not serious about winning.

We are 5th lowest in cap room and we still have roster that has holes:

1) No TE threat.

2) No depth on the O-line.

3) Pathetic DE performance.

4) Marginal WR depth.

I think the Bills are taking the slow road to recovery here.

Do you not think it's fair to expect a playoff result this year? Have we not been patient enough? I'm just trying to find a scenario that makes this happen for the wasted time I have invested in this team.

[justasportsfan]

We are 5th lowest in cap room and we still have roster that has holes:

1) No TE threat.

2) No depth on the O-line.

3) Pathetic DE performance.

4) Marginal WR depth.

I think the Bills are taking the slow road to recovery here.

Do you not think it's fair to expect a playoff result this year? Have we not been patient enough? I'm just trying to find a scenario that makes this happen for the wasted time I have invested in this team.
so how is it again that we may win the division ?

Here's what your thought process has been.

If we are serious about making playoffs we should bring in a high DE draft pick. If we are serious we should bring in a vet wr. You mentioned Moulds.

We didn't do either so based on what you said we're probably not serious about winning.


This thread pretty much says that if the Pats fall off the face of the earth then we probably have a shot at winning the division.

That goes the same for the jets and fins.

[HHURRICANE]

so how is it again that we may win the division ?

Here's what your thought process has been.

If we are serious about making playoffs we should bring in a high DE draft pick. If we are serious we should bring in a vet wr. You mentioned Moulds.

We didn't do either so based on what you said we're probably not serious about winning.


This thread pretty much says that if the Pats fall off the face of the earth then we probably have a shot at winning the division.

That goes the same for the jets and fins.

Jacksonville confirmed my pre-draft threads. They are a smaller market team than us with a better D and thought enough of Harvey, and the improtance of the position in this league, to trade up to 8 to get him.

How much more validation could I get?

Moulds was for discussion purposes only in addressing bringing in a vet WR. You know I never, ever said it was a good idea. You know this, you've seen the thread, but continue to quote it out of context.

[YardRat]

When you least expect it, expect it.

[gr8slayer]

When you least expect it, expect it.
Seems like there's one team every year that fits that.

[feelthepain]

Do you not think it's fair to expect a playoff result this year?

Do you not think it's fair to see results before you spew nonsesne? You have no trouble at all finding every little flaw on a Dolphins team that in this decade alone has a better record then the Bills, but your team has hradly been an avg team much less a good team. Seriously, let them prove it before you expect it.

[gr8slayer]

Do you not think it's fair to see results before you spew nonsesne? You have no trouble at all finding every little flaw on a Dolphins team that in this decade alone has a better record then the Bills, but your team has hradly been an avg team much less a good team. Seriously, let them prove it before you expect it.
This is coming from the same person who year in and year out says the Dolphins are better than the Bills yet the Bills continue to beat the Dolphins..... Don't call people out for a reality check if you aren't going to do the same for yourself.

[HHURRICANE]

Do you not think it's fair to see results before you spew nonsesne? You have no trouble at all finding every little flaw on a Dolphins team that in this decade alone has a better record then the Bills, but your team has hradly been an avg team much less a good team. Seriously, let them prove it before you expect it.

Can you actually read? It's an expectation not a prediction.

Your team went 1-15 so you have no credibility here. Your team will suck again and most Miami fans know this except you.

[feelthepain]

Can you actually read? It's an expectation not a prediction.

Your team went 1-15 so you have no credibility here. Your team will suck again and most Miami fans know this except you.

Can you read.....the last three words of my last post.

[justasportsfan]

Jacksonville confirmed my pre-draft threads. They are a smaller market team than us with a better D and thought enough of Harvey, and the improtance of the position in this league, to trade up to 8 to get him.

How much more validation could I get?

Moulds was for discussion purposes only in addressing bringing in a vet WR. You know I never, ever said it was a good idea. You know this, you've seen the thread, but continue to quote it out of context.


Here's your 180 degree post.






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I just don't see playoffs.


I keep looking at this roster and I just don't see playoffs:

1) Stroud is a huge question mark. I feel like his name is bigger than what we are going to get out of him.

2) Hardy is replacing Peerless Price so this is an instant upgrade. However, if he plays like a rookie, which is likely, than maybe we get 400 yards out of him and 4 TDs.

3) McKelvin is a nice pick but I see his impact being limited to a Ko Simpson type first year.

4) This is Mitchell's third team in three years. He's a veteran upgrade at LB but not a dominant player.

The reality is that this team is relying on the returns of Poz and Simpson while hoping for the development of the 2nd year players in Lynch and Edwards.
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This is not a negative thread. I'm looking for serious explanations on why you think we make the playoffs this year. . to answer this I'll refer this post with your initial post in this thread.


I'd understand if you say that you've changed your mind from not making playoffs to wildcard. You're not only talking about playoffs this time but beating a powerhouse (that cheats, couldn't resist) to get to the playoffs. If we can beat the PAts we can beat anyone. Tall order.

Bi polar posts if you ask me.

[ublinkwescore]

The Pats have the worst of both worlds coming into this season. They are an undefeated team so every team is going to still want to beat them. But they have the hangover and enormous let down of losing the SB. In other words teams are going to be up for a team that might not be up to play them.

The Bills need players like Trent, Lynch, Poz and Stroud to deliver this year. If this happens I can see us winning the division out right.

Yes, alot of things have to come together. I think Fred Jackson, Mitchell, Hardy, Simpson and others have a say in this as well.

There is no reason to believe that we can't sweep the fins and split with the Jets and Pats. 4-6 in our own division and 6-7 wins with every one else.

One question - how the hell do we go 4-6 in our division - that's impossible - we can go 4-2.

[HHURRICANE]

One question - how the hell do we go 4-6 in our division - that's impossible - we can go 4-2.

4 wins out of 6 games. Didn't realize I wrote it that way.

[HHURRICANE]

Here's your 180 degree post.

to answer this I'll refer this post with your initial post in this thread.


I'd understand if you say that you've changed your mind from not making playoffs to wildcard. You're not only talking about playoffs this time but beating a powerhouse (that cheats, couldn't resist) to get to the playoffs. If we can beat the PAts we can beat anyone. Tall order.

Bi polar posts if you ask me.

I gave a scenario on how we could win the division. That's it. I think we go 9-7 and miss out.

However, as in 1980, things happen.

[acehole]

Are you the guy who said I just dont see playoffs?


The Pats have the worst of both worlds coming into this season. They are an undefeated team so every team is going to still want to beat them. But they have the hangover and enormous let down of losing the SB. In other words teams are going to be up for a team that might not be up to play them.

The Bills need players like Trent, Lynch, Poz and Stroud to deliver this year. If this happens I can see us winning the division out right.

Yes, alot of things have to come together. I think Fred Jackson, Mitchell, Hardy, Simpson and others have a say in this as well.

There is no reason to believe that we can't sweep the fins and split with the Jets and Pats. 4-6 in our own division and 6-7 wins with every one else.

[justasportsfan]

Are you the guy who said I just dont see playoffs?
yes he was. Oh wait no he wasn't. Oh wait...

[HHURRICANE]

Wasn't it you that told me most Bill fans have a realistic view of their team? Now you're making a claim for the AFC East title? This is what you call realistic?

I wonder if owning FTP will ever get old for me??

[HHURRICANE]

Notice the date of the thread. May 31st!!

As I stated in the orginal thread, it wasn't a preditcion but a scenario that I could see happening.

Now how ridiculous does this scenario look?

[HHURRICANE]

The Bills winning the division is extremely unlikely but odder things have happened. All it takes is a season ending injury to someone like Brady and the tables will quickly turn.

As of right now our biggest threat outside of the Pats is the Jets and I think that we can at least tie the series with them if not take it. Like I've said before; it all depends on whether or not Edwards is ready to start playing like a real NFL QB. That's not to say that he has to be Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, but if he can move into that tier just under them with the Roethlisbergers and Eli Mannings of the world then we might be able to make something happen.

Slayer looking smart!!

[thecoordinator]

There is no reason to believe that we can't sweep the fins and split with the Jets and Pats. 4-6 in our own division and 6-7 wins with every one else.

i found a reason