How important was Trent Edwards? Now where is my kettle and spoon....

[yordad]

How important was Trent Edwards?

What follows is a list of all the TDs produced by the Bills with Trent on the field

4 of 4 for 55 yards on 80 yard drive
4 of 4 for 49 yards on 56 yard drive
1 of 1 for 1 yard and on 25 yard drive 1 td
2 of 2 for 63 yards on 71 yard drive
2 of 2 for 29 yards on 28 yard drive 1 td
1 of 1 for 28 yards on a 61 yard drive 1 td
1 of 1 for 9 yards and on 11 yard drive 1 td
1 of 2 for 70 yards and on a 85 yard drive 1 td
3 of 3 for 54 yards on 60 yard drive 1 td
3 of 4 for 58 yards and on 66 yard drive 1 td
0 of 0 for 0 yards on 31 yard drive

11 tds in 10 games
24 passes total on touchdown producing drives for the season (10 games).
His average TD drive was 52 yards
On the season, he had more complete games without a td drive (6) then he had TD drives over 60 yards (5).


Point is, he didn't exactly "carry the load".

And, I think most of you saw that first drive and anointed him right there. It was his best drive all season. A drive that caught the Pats completely off guard. A drive that was followed up with 6 three-and-outs out of 9 drives to end the game. I am not saying I expected better. I'm just saying I still would have been hesitant to let the kid drive my car. And, I am still so very puzzled how most of you are so convinced.

To be honest, he was young, and showed a lot of promise. I don't think the problem was the QB. Either of them. I think most it was game plan and playcalling. I just really think JP can do better if they were both given a chance to be their best.

Trent looked relatively good, but what happened the last time we handed the keys to the offense over to second year youngster without a training camp competition?

(Play-by-Play from NFL.com)
VS Patriots

Buffalo Bills at 09:26 3-S.Gostkowski kicks 70 yards from NE 30 to end zone, Touchback. 1-10-BUF 20 (9:26) BUF 5-Edwards now at QB. 23-M.Lynch right guard to BUF 26 for 6 yards (54-T.Bruschi, 96-A.Thomas). 2-4-BUF 26 (8:51) BUF 65-Whittle eligible. 5-T.Edwards pass deep left to 81-P.Price ran ob at BUF 42 for 16 yards. 1-10-BUF 42 (8:21) BUF 73-Chambers eligible. PENALTY on BUF, Offensive 12 On-field, 5 yards, enforced at BUF 42 - No Play. 1-15-BUF 37 (8:12) BUF 73-Chambers eligible. PENALTY on BUF-71-J.Peters, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at BUF 37 - No Play. 1-20-BUF 32 (8:03) BUF 73-Chambers eligible. 23-M.Lynch up the middle to BUF 40 for 8 yards (54-T.Bruschi, 26-E.Wilson). 2-12-BUF 40 (7:31) 23-M.Lynch right end to BUF 44 for 4 yards (50-M.Vrabel, 36-J.Sanders). 3-8-BUF 44 (6:47) (Shotgun) 5-T.Edwards pass short middle to 11-R.Parrish to NE 43 for 13 yards (21-R.Gay). 1-10-NE 43 (6:11) 5-T.Edwards pass short middle to 82-J.Reed to NE 22 for 21 yards (26-E.Wilson, 36-J.Sanders). 1-10-NE 22 (5:38) 23-M.Lynch left guard to NE 16 for 6 yards (36-J.Sanders). 2-4-NE 16 (4:57) 23-M.Lynch left tackle to NE 15 for 1 yard (96-A.Thomas, 50-M.Vrabel). 3-3-NE 15 (4:20) 5-T.Edwards pass short left to 86-M.Gaines to NE 10 for 5 yards (96-A.Thomas, 54-T.Bruschi). 1-10-NE 10 (3:34) 23-M.Lynch left tackle to NE 8 for 2 yards (59-R.Colvin, 97-J.Green). 2-8-NE 8 (2:57) 5-T.Edwards pass incomplete short right to 83-L.Evans. 3-8-NE 8 (2:50) 23-M.Lynch left guard for 8 yards, TOUCHDOWN. 9-R.Lindell extra point is GOOD, Center-72-R.Neill, Holder-8-B.Moorman. BUF 7 牋燦E 3 牋燩lays: 12 牋燩ossession: 6:42

Edwards was 4 of 4 for 55 yards on 80 yard drive


VS Jets

1-10-BUF 44 (13:04) 23-M.Lynch left guard to BUF 45 for 1 yard (93-K.Coleman). 2-9-BUF 45 (12:27) (Shotgun) 5-T.Edwards pass short right to 11-R.Parrish to NYJ 48 for 7 yards (21-A.Dyson, 92-S.Ellis). Screen, caught at BUF 43. 3-2-NYJ 48 (11:45) (Shotgun) 5-T.Edwards pass short left to 81-P.Price to NYJ 34 for 14 yards (25-K.Rhodes). Caught at NYJ 35. 1-10-NYJ 34 (11:04) 23-M.Lynch left tackle to NYJ 33 for 1 yard (50-E.Barton; 54-V.Hobson). 2-9-NYJ 33 (10:23) (Shotgun) 5-T.Edwards pass short left to 83-L.Evans pushed ob at NYJ 19 for 14 yards (21-A.Dyson). Caught along sideline at NYJ 21. 1-10-NYJ 19 (9:57) 23-M.Lynch right tackle to NYJ 18 for 1 yard (99-B.Thomas, 26-E.Coleman). 2-9-NYJ 18 (9:21) 23-M.Lynch left end to NYJ 16 for 2 yards (51-J.Vilma, 92-S.Ellis). 3-7-NYJ 16 (8:39) 5-T.Edwards pass short left to 82-J.Reed to NYJ 7 for 9 yards (24-D.Revis). Caught in flat at NYJ 12. 1-7-NYJ 7 (7:52) 23-M.Lynch left tackle to NYJ 5 for 2 yards (93-K.Coleman). 2-5-NYJ 5 (7:09) PENALTY on BUF-71-J.Peters, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at NYJ 5 - No Play. 2-10-NYJ 10 (6:50) 23-M.Lynch up the middle for 10 yards, TOUCHDOWN. 9-R.Lindell extra point is GOOD, Center-72-R.Neill, Holder-8-B.Moorman. NYJ 0 牋燘UF 7 牋燩lays: 10 牋燩ossession: 6:20

4 of 4 for 49 yards on 56 yard drive

1-10-NYJ 25 (10:01) 23-M.Lynch left tackle to NYJ 23 for 2 yards (54-V.Hobson, 52-D.Harris). 2-8-NYJ 23 (9:23) 23-M.Lynch right end pushed ob at NYJ 19 for 4 yards (51-J.Vilma). PENALTY on NYJ-51-J.Vilma, Face Mask (15 Yards), 10 yards, enforced at NYJ 19. 1-9-NYJ 9 (9:01) 23-M.Lynch up the middle to NYJ 5 for 4 yards (93-K.Coleman). Timeout #2 by NYJ at 08:27. 2-5-NYJ 5 (8:27) 23-M.Lynch left tackle to NYJ 1 for 4 yards (51-J.Vilma). 3-1-NYJ 1 (7:47) 23-M.Lynch up the middle to NYJ 1 for no gain (91-S.Pouha). Timeout #1 by BUF at 07:01. 4-1-NYJ 1 (7:01) 5-T.Edwards pass short middle to 86-M.Gaines for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN. Caught at goal line. 9-R.Lindell extra point is GOOD, Center-72-R.Neill, Holder-8-B.Moorman. NYJ 7 牋燘UF 17 牋燩lays: 6 牋燩ossession: 3:05

1 of 1 for 1 yard and 1 td on 25 yard drive

VS Cowboys

0 of 0 for 0, no td drives

VS Ravens

1-10-BUF 29 (5:11) (Shotgun) 5-T.Edwards pass deep middle to 83-L.Evans to BAL 17 for 54 yards (35-C.Ivy). Caught on run at BAL 27. 1-10-BAL 17 (4:24) 23-M.Lynch left guard to BAL 15 for 2 yards (97-K.Gregg, 55-T.Suggs). 2-8-BAL 15 (3:42) (Shotgun) 5-T.Edwards pass short middle to 11-R.Parrish to BAL 6 for 9 yards (35-C.Ivy). Caught at BAL 7. 1-6-BAL 6 (3:05) 23-M.Lynch up the middle to BAL 4 for 2 yards (52-R.Lewis; 97-K.Gregg). 2-4-BAL 4 (2:23) 5-T.Edwards pass incomplete short right to 82-J.Reed (35-C.Ivy) [57-B.Scott]. Receiver and coverage in rear right corner of end zone. Penalty on BAL-57-B.Scott, Roughing the Passer, declined. PENALTY on BAL-35-C.Ivy, Defensive Pass Interference, 3 yards, enforced at BAL 4 - No Play. 1-1-BAL 1 (2:18) 23-M.Lynch up the middle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN. 9-R.Lindell extra point is GOOD, Center-72-R.Neill, Holder-8-B.Moorman. BLT 7 牋燘UF 19 牋燩lays: 5 牋燩ossession: 2:57

2 of 2 for 63 yards on 71 yard drive

VS Jets

0 of 0 for 0 yards. No Td drives

VS Washington

0 for 0 for o yards. No Td drives

VS Miami

1-10-MIA 28 (13:25) 23-M.Lynch right guard to MIA 29 for -1 yards (99-J.Taylor). 2-11-MIA 29 (12:47) (Shotgun) 5-T.Edwards pass deep right to 82-J.Reed pushed ob at MIA 13 for 16 yards (31-L.Schulters). Caught along sideline at MIA 13. 1-10-MIA 13 (12:19) 5-T.Edwards pass short right to 84-R.Royal for 13 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Caught in flat at MIA 12. 9-R.Lindell extra point is GOOD, Center-72-R.Neill, Holder-8-B.Moorman.

2 of 2 for 29 yards on 28 yard drive 1 td

1-10-BUF 39 (6:54) 22-F.Jackson right tackle to BUF 45 for 6 yards (31-L.Schulters; 56-D.Pope). 2-4-BUF 45 (6:17) 22-F.Jackson right tackle to MIA 28 for 27 yards (32-J.Allen, 21-A.Goodman). 1-10-MIA 28 (5:33) 5-T.Edwards pass deep middle to 84-R.Royal for 28 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Caught at MIA 2. crossing from right side. 9-R.Lindell extra point is GOOD, Center-72-R.Neill, Holder-8-B.Moorman. MIA 0 牋燘UF 14 牋燩lays: 3 牋燩ossession: 1:29

1 of 1 for 28 yards on a 61 yard drive 1 td.

1-10-MIA 11 (10:17) 22-F.Jackson right guard to MIA 9 for 2 yards (56-D.Pope; 94-K.Traylor). 2-8-MIA 9 (9:38) 5-T.Edwards pass incomplete short left to 83-L.Evans. Caught out of bounds, 5 yds. into end zone. Buffalo challenged the pass completion ruling, and the play was REVERSED. 5-T.Edwards pass short left to 83-L.Evans for 9 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Caught 5 yds. into end zone, along sideline. 9-R.Lindell extra point is GOOD, Center-72-R.Neill, Holder-8-B.Moorman. MIA 7 牋燘UF 31 牋燩lays: 2 牋燩ossession: 0:44

1 of 1 for 9 yards and 1 td on 11 yard drive

1-10-BUF 15 (:58) 23-M.Lynch up the middle to BUF 22 for 7 yards (32-J.Allen, 31-L.Schulters). 2-3-BUF 22 (:16) 23-M.Lynch up the middle to BUF 24 for 2 yards (90-R.Wright). End of quarter - 3:33 pm
3-1-BUF 24 (15:00) 23-M.Lynch right tackle to BUF 29 for 5 yards (25-W.Allen). 1-10-BUF 29 (14:19) 5-T.Edwards pass short right to 23-M.Lynch to BUF 43 for 14 yards (31-L.Schulters). Screen pass, caught at BUF 30. PENALTY on BUF-68-L.Walker, Ineligible Downfield Pass, 5 yards, enforced at BUF 29 - No Play.
1-15-BUF 24 (13:46) (Shotgun) 22-F.Jackson left guard to BUF 30 for 6 yards (55-J.Porter).
2-9-BUF 30 (13:03) 5-T.Edwards pass incomplete deep middle to 83-L.Evans (31-L.Schulters). Receiver and coverage at 50.
3-9-BUF 30 (12:56) (Shotgun) 5-T.Edwards pass deep left to 83-L.Evans for 70 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Caught on run at MIA 26, near sideline; cut back to middle after catch. Key block to protect QB: F.Jackson.
0-0-MIA 2 9-R.Lindell extra point is GOOD, Center-72-R.Neill, Holder-8-B.Moorman.

Edwards 1 of 2 for 70 yards 1 td on a 85 yard drive

VS Cleveland

0 of 0 for 0 yards. No Td drives.

VS Giants

9-L.Tynes kicks 68 yards from NYG 30 to BUF 2, out of bounds. 1-10-BUF 40 (15:00) 5-T.Edwards pass short right to 83-L.Evans to NYG 39 for 21 yards (28-G.Wilson). Caught at NYG45, crossing from middle. 1-10-NYG 39 (14:22) (No Huddle) 23-M.Lynch up the middle to NYG 38 for 1 yard (98-F.Robbins, 28-G.Wilson). 2-9-NYG 38 (13:45) (No Huddle) 23-M.Lynch left tackle to NYG 29 for 9 yards (31-A.Ross). 1-10-NYG 29 (13:03) (No Huddle) 22-F.Jackson left tackle to NYG 26 for 3 yards (72-O.Umenyiora). 2-7-NYG 26 (12:20) 5-T.Edwards scrambles pushed ob at NYG 23 for 3 yards (55-K.Mitchell). PENALTY on BUF-86-M.Gaines, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at NYG 26 - No Play. 2-17-NYG 36 (11:56) (Shotgun) 5-T.Edwards pass short right to 23-M.Lynch pushed ob at NYG 6 for 30 yards (55-K.Mitchell; 72-O.Umenyiora) [43-M.Johnson]. Screen, caught at NYG 40. Pass thrown under pressure. 1-6-NYG 6 (11:07) 22-F.Jackson left guard to NYG 3 for 3 yards (43-M.Johnson, 72-O.Umenyiora). 2-3-NYG 3 (10:25) 5-T.Edwards pass short left to 86-M.Gaines for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Caught in front left corner of end zone. 9-R.Lindell extra point is GOOD, Center-72-R.Neill, Holder-8-B.Moorman.

3 of 3 for 54 yards on 60 yard drive 1 td

1-10-BUF 34 (8:32) 23-M.Lynch left tackle to BUF 37 for 3 yards (28-G.Wilson, 37-Ja.Butler). 2-7-BUF 37 (7:49) 5-T.Edwards pass short right to 23-M.Lynch to BUF 49 for 12 yards (58-A.Pierce). Swing pass, caught at BUF 38. 1-10-BUF 49 (7:08) 5-T.Edwards pass incomplete short middle to 82-J.Reed. Overthrown, receiver at NYG45. 2-10-BUF 49 (7:04) 22-F.Jackson left tackle to NYG 46 for 5 yards (72-O.Umenyiora, 55-K.Mitchell). 3-5-NYG 46 (6:25) (Shotgun) 5-T.Edwards pass deep right to 11-R.Parrish to NYG 4 for 42 yards (23-C.Webster) [29-S.Madison]. Caught at NYG 8, near sideline. Thrown under pressure. 1-4-NYG 4 (5:37) 5-T.Edwards pass short right to 83-L.Evans for 4 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Caught in rear right corner of end zone. 9-R.Lindell extra point is GOOD, Center-72-R.Neill, Holder-8-B.Moorman.

3 of 4 for 58 yards and 1 Td on 66 yard drive

1-10-NYG 31 (14:45) 23-M.Lynch right tackle to NYG 3 for 28 yards (37-Ja.Butler). 1-3-NYG 3 (13:58) 23-M.Lynch right tackle for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Key block: J.Reed. 9-R.Lindell extra point is GOOD, Center-72-R.Neill, Holder-8-B.Moorman. NYG 17 牋燘UF 21 牋燩lays: 2 牋燩ossession: 0:51

0 of 0 for 0 yards for 31 yards

VS Philly

0 of 0 for 0 yards. No Td drives

[Romes]

Re: How important was Trent Edwards? Now where is my kettle and spoon....

I don't think the problem was the QB. Either of them. I think most it was game plan and playcalling. I just really think JP can do better if they were both given a chance to be their best.

I think there are a few factors why there were few TD drives last year led by Trent. First, he was a rookie, had gotten 3rd string snaps most of the off-season, he had a limited knowledge of the offense. Second, playcalling was terrible. Third, 2 of those games (Browns and Giants) were not conducive for any type of passing game.

Honestly though, you can look at Trents stats all day and not be impressed. Cause really, there isn't anything impressive about them. But stats in football are pointless, there are so many factors which go into the game of football and so few games that arriving at meaningful conclusions based off football stats is pointless.

But put in the game tape, watch his decision making, his footwork, his confidence on the field...thats whats impressive. Turn on the audio and listen to veteran QBs like Gannon praise the kid. Granted he has to progress from last year. He needs to get the offense down (not knowing routes is inexcusable this year) and taking a few more shots downfield, among other things.

[shelby]

Re: How important was Trent Edwards? Now where is my kettle and spoon....

But put in the game tape, watch his decision making, his footwork, his confidence on the field...thats whats impressive. Turn on the audio and listen to veteran QBs like Gannon praise the kid. Granted he has to progress from last year. He needs to get the offense down (not knowing routes is inexcusable this year) and taking a few more shots downfield, among other things.

This is good posting. No "deer in the headlights" look.....

[Jan Reimers]

Re: How important was Trent Edwards? Now where is my kettle and spoon....

Honestly, though you can look at Trents stats all day and not be impressed. Cause really, there isn't anything impressive about them. But stats in football are pointless, there are so many factors which go into the game of football and so few games that arriving and meaningful conclusions based off football stats is pointless.

I agree, and have made this point more than once. The coaching staff has not made Trent our starting QB based on stats. We fans analyze stats endlessly, trying to prove our case that JP or Trent - depending on which one is our favorite -should be the starter.

But the coaches, who are around these guys all the time, like Trent's poise, pocket presence, ability to read defenses, and other mental aspects of the game much better than JP's. What they saw in Trent as a rookie, still wasn't there in JP in his 4th year.

JP may have more athletic ability, and his 4th year stats may be marginally better than those of Trent as a rookie. But the coaching staff has chosen Trent because they think his mental approach to the QB position will bring us more long-term success than JP's.

[Historian]

Re: How important was Trent Edwards? Now where is my kettle and spoon....

Plus he's not a dork.

He carries himself well....whether it's in the huddle, or in front of the camera.

We haven't had that since Kelly either.

[YardRat]

Re: How important was Trent Edwards? Now where is my kettle and spoon....



22 for 24, 90% of the yards coming through the air just flat out sucks.

Having JP go 1 for 5, with 2 sacks, but throw an 85 yard prayer once a year is soooooo much more efficient.

What are we thinking?

[HHURRICANE]

Re: How important was Trent Edwards? Now where is my kettle and spoon....

22 for 24, 90% of the yards coming through the air just flat out sucks.

Having JP go 1 for 5, with 2 sacks, but throw an 85 yard prayer once a year is soooooo much more efficient.

What are we thinking?

I have never seen a rookie garner so much criticism around here, even though people like Gannon and guys that have played the position praised his rookie performance.

JP lovers die hard.

[Philagape]

Re: How important was Trent Edwards? Now where is my kettle and spoon....

Once again a JP fan somehow seems to forget that field goals count on the scoreboard too. In every JP game except one, the Bills scored no more than twice (the O under Trent topped that six times). The number of scoring drives made a difference against Baltimore, Jets1, the Redskins and Miami2.
And let's look at that one big JP game, against the Buff State Bengals ....
-- One touchdown drive was six Lynch runs and a TD pass from Lynch.
-- One touchdown was a 56-yard Lynch run in which he broke two tackles behind the line. One pass on the drive.
Since JP's TD drives were conspicuously absent from this thread, here's the same analysis for him, summarized ....
The only TD against Denver was six runs, two passes and JP fumble.
The TD in Jets2 was a bad, reckless pass rescued by Evans.
He did complete three passes on one TD against Buff State.
He did lead a good drive for the only TD at Miami.
The only Pats2 TD was another 40-something heave up for grabs that the covered receiver had to adjust for.
He led one TD drive against the Jags; the other was six runs, a scramble and an incomplete pass.
So JP didn't exactly carry the load either. They both were terribly inconsistent. But one was a veteran, and one was a rookie who got weather that destroyed much better passing games. And add on the veteran's higher rate of negative plays (sacks and turnovers) than the rookie, and I sure ain't letting him drive my car.

[Mitchy moo]

Re: How important was Trent Edwards? Now where is my kettle and spoon....

You mean a rookie QB just drafted didn't lead his team to all their victories? Off with his head.

[Pinkerton Security]

Re: How important was Trent Edwards? Now where is my kettle and spoon....

ya, im not sure who it was that said he was expected to "carry the load" last year, but it certainly wasnt anyone with a head on their shoulders. if anything, he was expected to do the bare minimum, and keep us in the game, which for the most part he did. that is why i am optimistic he can replicate and improve upon that this year, at least marginally.

[justasportsfan]

Re: How important was Trent Edwards? Now where is my kettle and spoon....

JP lovers die hard.

thats actually better than those who flipflop easily and can't agree with themselves.

[Mitchy moo]

Re: How important was Trent Edwards? Now where is my kettle and spoon....

thats actually better than those who flipflop easily and can't agree with themselves.

and those that purposely go against the grain to create an argument

[justasportsfan]

Re: How important was Trent Edwards? Now where is my kettle and spoon....

and those that purposely go against the grain to create an argument

Don't belittle yourself skoobs. I know you'll make a comeback with your threads and take them back from HH.

[Philagape]

Re: How important was Trent Edwards? Now where is my kettle and spoon....

This is good posting. No "deer in the headlights" look.....

The JP fans mock the poise factor, but here's where that poise is manifested: In four of Trent's final five games, he had zero sacks and zero turnovers. That's jaw-dropping astounding for a rookie. Just unheard of. Not many veterans do that either.
I don't care how conservative the offense is or how good the line is, a rookie can be counted on to make mental mistakes that result in negative plays.
That kind of mental aptitude is why so many are high on him.

[djjimkelly]

Re: How important was Trent Edwards? Now where is my kettle and spoon....

This is good posting. No "deer in the headlights" look.....

u ever think its possible the as you call it deer in headlights looks was becuz the play call was so bad that

read 1 covered

read 2 covered


and so on........

keep trying to make yourself feel good by this qb switch. its a marketing and hope ploy. ive seen it before i wont be sold this bill of goods again