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  • patmoran2006
    Ole' Ralphie SCROOGE
    • Dec 2005
    • 19840

    What I Love Most about this team..

    This may turn out to be one of the team's most stacked defensive units in recent memory, and certainly the most since 1993.

    Not only does the team have top-notch talent in guys like Marcus Stroud and Aaron Schobel up front, the unit is loaded with something the team hasn't had in years--- tremendous depth.

    Schobel and Kelsay start up front and should be aided tremendously by the addition of Stroud. If McCargo even comes close to amounting what a first round selection should play like this year, this unit should be solid. There's also not just good, but proven depth upfront with Spencer Johnson. Kyle Williams has been a starter and will be much more effective coming off the bench than Jason Jefferson was last year. Greg Ellis was a smart pick as the team plans on having him emulate what Anthony Hargrove once did- become a disruption in the backfield (and hopefully unlike Hargrove, not one off the field as well).

    The linebacking should be greatly improved. The addition of Mitchell is a big one, not just because he's an upgrade over Keith Ellison on the field, but because he also brings great leadership to a team badly in need of it. Mitchell is one of the few proven winners on this team and his value should go beyond just numbers. Crowell is on the verge of becoming a Pro Bowl calibre OLB and will be even better with more talent surrounding him. Of course, the Bills may want to take notice of that this summer and extend him before the season, as he's going into the final year of his deal. Posluszny looked very good in limited action before the injury last year. Stroud should free up blockers from putting a helmet on him every play, alllowing him to be more of an impact player. He still needs to improve in pass coverage but is smart enough to do that over time. While Ellison and DiGiorgio aren't good enough to be starters, they provide excellent, proven depth off the bench.

    Perhaps the most exciting part of this defense will be the secondary. Leodis McKelvin has the ability to have a Darelle Reevis-like impact on the unit early on. He'll probably start the year as a nickelback, but it won't be long before he's in the staring lineup and eventually, the number one corner. This will help take some pressure off Terrence McGee, who's regarded around the league as very underated. Jabrari Greer and Will James give this team four very capable corners (bye bye Youboty), something the club hasn't had in a very long time, and needs to compete against the likes of New England. Ko Simpson is healthy and has looked great in OTA's so far. He has the ability to be a ball hawk, a poor man's Ed Reed. The key for him is obviously staying healthy. Donte Whitner has emerged as a leader off the field. It's time for him to start being one on it. His stat-line looks good in terms of tackles through his first two years, but his impact plays (interceptions, sacks, forced fumbles, key breakups) has been minimal to say the least. Going into his third year, I expect him to really grow into an impact safety this season. George Wilson and Bart Scott provide above average depth. OVerall, this secondary is potentially as good as its been since the days of Winfield/Clements starting at the corners.

    Injuries always play a factor in a team's success, but I think that last year has us much better prepared for 2008 when/if injuries occur. Guys like Wilson and DiGiorgio got valuable experience and are now very capable of stepping in when needed. Greer and Spencer Johnson have already contributed solidly and will play a big role, off the bench or not. And Eillison and Williams, while not good enough to be starters, are fine role players off the bench.

    In my opinion, the only thing that needs to happen for this team to LEGIMITATELY contend for a playoff spot is not **** things up offensively. That is the single-most reason why I like Trent Edwards more than Losman. While Trent will never be another Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, he's more than capable of managing a game, keeping the chains moving, and with better talent around him (Hardy perhaps) converting more red zone trips into touchdowns. I expect him to take a major leap this season.

    And the passing game doesn't have to mirror the San Diego Chargers of the early 80's. We have a great, versatile running back in Marhsawn Lynch. He's already shown the ability to run people over on the field (and off it as well, "allegedly") and new coordinator Turk Schonert insists he's goign to be a much bigger part of the passing game.

    I'm doing something I haven't done in five years. With the talent and enormous depth on defense, an improved Edwards and Lynch on offense, a rookie WR I think is going to be amazing (Hardy) a schedule that I perceive as favorable-- I'm predicting the Bills win 11 games in 2008 and finally make the playoffs, hosting a game as well being the 4th seed in the AFC.


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  • Mudflap1
    Next Question!
    • Nov 2004
    • 3281

    #2
    Re: What I Love Most about this team..

    Schobel - proven (although a down year last year)
    Kelsay - proven, okay player
    McCargo - not totally proven, but improved last year
    Williams - solid backup
    Johnson - solid backup
    Stroud - proven Pro Bowl-caliber player, only "if" is injury concerns
    Crowell - proven, good player
    Posluszny - while we have high hopes, not a proven player
    Mitchell - proven, solid player, not a star
    Dig, Ellison - solid backups
    Whitner - unproven as to whether he can reach his full potential
    Simpson - unproven
    McKelvin - unproven
    McGee - proven, solid player
    Greer - proven, okay player

    The point is, the ceiling is high, but I'm far from shooting guns in the air in the parking lot right now. There are a lot of "ifs" at too may important areas on this defense.

    Jon

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    • patmoran2006
      Ole' Ralphie SCROOGE
      • Dec 2005
      • 19840

      #3
      Re: What I Love Most about this team..

      Originally posted by Mudflap1
      Schobel - proven (although a down year last year)
      Kelsay - proven, okay player
      McCargo - not totally proven, but improved last year
      Williams - solid backup
      Johnson - solid backup
      Stroud - proven Pro Bowl-caliber player, only "if" is injury concerns
      Crowell - proven, good player
      Posluszny - while we have high hopes, not a proven player
      Mitchell - proven, solid player, not a star
      Dig, Ellison - solid backups
      Whitner - unproven as to whether he can reach his full potential
      Simpson - unproven
      McKelvin - unproven
      McGee - proven, solid player
      Greer - proven, okay player

      The point is, the ceiling is high, but I'm far from shooting guns in the air in the parking lot right now. There are a lot of "ifs" at too may important areas on this defense.

      Jon
      Off the bat you got STroud and Mitchell taking over for Kyle Williams and Ellison. Then you got Pos taking over for DiGi. Those are huge upgrades.

      Eventually you have McKelvin taking over in the secondary, which pushes Greer, talented in his own right, into a nickel role. Our nickel backs last year were B R U T A L.

      On top of that, we have depth, and a lot of it. Former starters are now valuable backups- mainly young guys who got valuable experience and will be less overwhelmed next time their on the field.

      I love this defense, especially if Stroud can stay healthy and McCargo does what I think he can do this year.


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      • TacklingDummy
        Unreachable Douche
        • Jul 2002
        • 71725

        #4
        Re: What I Love Most about this team..

        Looks nice on paper.

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        • Oaf
          Do you read what you write?
          • Jun 2007
          • 6151

          #5
          Re: What I Love Most about this team..

          You may want to hold on to that prediction until we hear the Lynch verdict.

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          • feelthepain
            All-Pro Zoner
            • Mar 2005
            • 4663

            #6
            Re: What I Love Most about this team..

            Originally posted by Mudflap1
            Schobel - proven (although a down year last year)
            Kelsay - proven, okay player
            McCargo - not totally proven, but improved last year
            Williams - solid backup
            Johnson - solid backup
            Stroud - proven Pro Bowl-caliber player, only "if" is injury concerns
            Crowell - proven, good player
            Posluszny - while we have high hopes, not a proven player
            Mitchell - proven, solid player, not a star
            Dig, Ellison - solid backups
            Whitner - unproven as to whether he can reach his full potential
            Simpson - unproven
            McKelvin - unproven
            McGee - proven, solid player
            Greer - proven, okay player

            The point is, the ceiling is high, but I'm far from shooting guns in the air in the parking lot right now. There are a lot of "ifs" at too may important areas on this defense.

            Jon
            The ceiling is high based on...?

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            • jamze132
              Don’t hate…
              • Jun 2003
              • 29298

              #7
              Re: What I Love Most about this team..

              Originally posted by feelthepain
              The ceiling is high based on...?
              It's based on us actually having a good team this year. Welcome to the thread; we all know what to expect from here on out...

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              • Bone
                Bone
                • Oct 2006
                • 1093

                #8
                Re: What I Love Most about this team..

                We have the most depth of proven players then any other team in the NFL.
                BILLIEVE

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                • ScottLawrence
                  Registered User
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 1450

                  #9
                  Re: What I Love Most about this team..

                  So You're predicting we win the AFC East?

                  Because if we are seeded 4th, that means we won the East as a Wild Card team is either the 5th or 6th seeded team.
                  You're right, I am a coward! I haven't any courage at all. I even scare myself.

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                  • raphael120
                    Jason Peters rigorous at home training regiment
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 5152

                    #10
                    Re: What I Love Most about this team..

                    One of the few benefits of pretty much all your depth players being starters due to injuries...your depth gets valuable playing experience that a lot of teams backups never get.

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                    • EDS
                      Registered User
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 5216

                      #11
                      Re: What I Love Most about this team..

                      If Stroud is healthy then I think the defense can be vastly improved. If not, I think improvement can still be made, but it will be more measured.

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                      • feelthepain
                        All-Pro Zoner
                        • Mar 2005
                        • 4663

                        #12
                        Re: What I Love Most about this team..

                        Originally posted by jamze132
                        It's based on us actually having a good team this year. Welcome to the thread; we all know what to expect from here on out...
                        Really? Who says the Bills have a good team this year? Bill fans? Isn't that the same thing as a convicted murder calling himself innocent? Everyone should just believe what you think and feel, just because? How is it you go from two straight years of awful offensive and defensive rankings to a good team? It must be nice to be a good team every spring when your team never even plays 500. football.

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                        • patmoran2006
                          Ole' Ralphie SCROOGE
                          • Dec 2005
                          • 19840

                          #13
                          Re: What I Love Most about this team..

                          Originally posted by feelthepain
                          The ceiling is high based on...?
                          4 defensive starters (Whitner, McKelvin in little time, McCargo, Posluszny) who were first or second round draft picks that are in their third year or less. Two multi-time Pro Bowlers on the DL in Schobel and Stroud... A new OLB that nearly knocked Tom Brady's head off in the Super Bowl. I can go on if you want..


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                          • djjimkelly
                            Registered User
                            • Apr 2003
                            • 7045

                            #14
                            Re: What I Love Most about this team..

                            Originally posted by patmoran2006
                            This may turn out to be one of the team's most stacked defensive units in recent memory, and certainly the most since 1993.

                            Not only does the team have top-notch talent in guys like Marcus Stroud and Aaron Schobel up front, the unit is loaded with something the team hasn't had in years--- tremendous depth.

                            Schobel and Kelsay start up front and should be aided tremendously by the addition of Stroud. If McCargo even comes close to amounting what a first round selection should play like this year, this unit should be solid. There's also not just good, but proven depth upfront with Spencer Johnson. Kyle Williams has been a starter and will be much more effective coming off the bench than Jason Jefferson was last year. Greg Ellis was a smart pick as the team plans on having him emulate what Anthony Hargrove once did- become a disruption in the backfield (and hopefully unlike Hargrove, not one off the field as well).

                            The linebacking should be greatly improved. The addition of Mitchell is a big one, not just because he's an upgrade over Keith Ellison on the field, but because he also brings great leadership to a team badly in need of it. Mitchell is one of the few proven winners on this team and his value should go beyond just numbers. Crowell is on the verge of becoming a Pro Bowl calibre OLB and will be even better with more talent surrounding him. Of course, the Bills may want to take notice of that this summer and extend him before the season, as he's going into the final year of his deal. Posluszny looked very good in limited action before the injury last year. Stroud should free up blockers from putting a helmet on him every play, alllowing him to be more of an impact player. He still needs to improve in pass coverage but is smart enough to do that over time. While Ellison and DiGiorgio aren't good enough to be starters, they provide excellent, proven depth off the bench.

                            Perhaps the most exciting part of this defense will be the secondary. Leodis McKelvin has the ability to have a Darelle Reevis-like impact on the unit early on. He'll probably start the year as a nickelback, but it won't be long before he's in the staring lineup and eventually, the number one corner. This will help take some pressure off Terrence McGee, who's regarded around the league as very underated. Jabrari Greer and Will James give this team four very capable corners (bye bye Youboty), something the club hasn't had in a very long time, and needs to compete against the likes of New England. Ko Simpson is healthy and has looked great in OTA's so far. He has the ability to be a ball hawk, a poor man's Ed Reed. The key for him is obviously staying healthy. Donte Whitner has emerged as a leader off the field. It's time for him to start being one on it. His stat-line looks good in terms of tackles through his first two years, but his impact plays (interceptions, sacks, forced fumbles, key breakups) has been minimal to say the least. Going into his third year, I expect him to really grow into an impact safety this season. George Wilson and Bart Scott provide above average depth. OVerall, this secondary is potentially as good as its been since the days of Winfield/Clements starting at the corners.

                            Injuries always play a factor in a team's success, but I think that last year has us much better prepared for 2008 when/if injuries occur. Guys like Wilson and DiGiorgio got valuable experience and are now very capable of stepping in when needed. Greer and Spencer Johnson have already contributed solidly and will play a big role, off the bench or not. And Eillison and Williams, while not good enough to be starters, are fine role players off the bench.

                            In my opinion, the only thing that needs to happen for this team to LEGIMITATELY contend for a playoff spot is not **** things up offensively. That is the single-most reason why I like Trent Edwards more than Losman. While Trent will never be another Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, he's more than capable of managing a game, keeping the chains moving, and with better talent around him (Hardy perhaps) converting more red zone trips into touchdowns. I expect him to take a major leap this season.

                            And the passing game doesn't have to mirror the San Diego Chargers of the early 80's. We have a great, versatile running back in Marhsawn Lynch. He's already shown the ability to run people over on the field (and off it as well, "allegedly") and new coordinator Turk Schonert insists he's goign to be a much bigger part of the passing game.

                            I'm doing something I haven't done in five years. With the talent and enormous depth on defense, an improved Edwards and Lynch on offense, a rookie WR I think is going to be amazing (Hardy) a schedule that I perceive as favorable-- I'm predicting the Bills win 11 games in 2008 and finally make the playoffs, hosting a game as well being the 4th seed in the AFC.


                            im sorry stacked defensive units since 1993 LOL

                            ok lets forget about 1998 and 1999 when we was #1 in nfl and i believe #2.

                            those D units werent stacked lol i think it had something to do with flutie LOL

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                            • feelthepain
                              All-Pro Zoner
                              • Mar 2005
                              • 4663

                              #15
                              Re: What I Love Most about this team..

                              Originally posted by patmoran2006
                              4 defensive starters (Whitner, McKelvin in little time, McCargo, Posluszny) who were first or second round draft picks that are in their third year or less. Two multi-time Pro Bowlers on the DL in Schobel and Stroud... A new OLB that nearly knocked Tom Brady's head off in the Super Bowl. I can go on if you want..
                              All unproven much less all-pro or pro bowl talent. Just another cart before the horse thread.

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